Aussie Skating

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  1. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with the skaters who competed at Nebelhorn being the ones to represent Australia at the games. There has been an open and accountable process throughout. Those skaters went to Nebelhorn, proved themselves worthy of an Olympic spot through their performance and have done everything that has been asked of them. We really would not have those places available if not for them.

    With regards the timing, the skaters would still need to be training for 4CC and potentially Worlds, plus other possible international events. So I don't see that the games being six months away is an issue. This is the start of the season, not the end. You would hope by Olympics they are in peak form.
  2. Angelskates

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    Oh I think everyone will be at nationals. My concern is if they don't win, especially by a large margin. That's basically saying they're not our best skater - why should we send someone who isn't our best to the Olympics? I don't think it's likely, but I think the scores at nationals should be taken into account - I don't think just nationals should determine who goes either, but I don't think just one competition should be the determiner, especially when that competition is not close to the Olympics are we have other competitions that are closer.

    A lot could happen between now and the Olympics, and Australia should make sure we send the skaters who are our best to compete at the time of the Olympics.
  3. Maofan7

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    New article on the rise of Australian figure skating
  4. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    That was written by Katherine Firkin who has been competing in Senior Ice Dance here in Australia. She works in the media so has been doing a fantastic job trying to raise the profile of the sport here in Australia.
  5. Sylvia

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    Katherine Firkin on Brooklee Han's Olympic qualification: http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-sport-blog/australias-new-skating-darling/20130929-2ulxk.html
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    ETA link to a local Connecticut article on Han's qualification at Nebelhorn (same local paper published a profile article about Brooklee in early February 2013): http://stamford.dailyvoice.com/sports/reddings-brooklee-han-skates-closer-olympic-dream
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  6. Seerek

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    Looking like Australia will need a good result from Brendan Kerry in JGP Estonia in two weeks to squeak in for the last spot for team qualification.
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    There have been two interpretations of the Team Event qualification:

    1. A country needs at least three qualified disciplines, but has the option of appointing a fourth to complete the team, assuming there is an ISU-eligible skater/team with the TES minimums.

    2. A country needs at least two qualified disciplines, and can appoint one skater/team to one of the two unqualified disciplines, if there is an ISU-eligile skater/team with the TES minimums.

    If the former, Australia needs to pass two teams, UKR currently in 9th in points (with SKorea and Kazakhstan out with one qualified discipline), Estonia, and Great Britain, if there aren't enough dropouts to give Lafuente a spot, in which case Spain pushes Australia down another place, with Fernandez almost certainly to score more than anyone's JGP skater. If the latter is true, then Spain is also ahead of Australia.

    Kazakhstan has only one qualified discipline with no other disciplines attempting qualification, and doesn't impact the rankings, and right now, so does S Korea, with their male skater too far down the alternates list (8th).
  8. flutzilla1

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    SO beyond thrilled for Brendan! I used to skate on the same FS sessions as Brendan and his sister when I lived in Sydney at MISC, and they were always the first skaters on and the last skaters off. They had an incredible enthusiasm for skating and a great work ethic on the ice, even at that young of an age. Can't wait to watch him skate in Sochi! :)
  9. Sylvia

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    Just came across this nice article on Brendan Kerry: http://www.hillsnews.com.au/story/1824774/kerry-conquers-nerves-to-qualify-for-olympics/
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    Kerry also mentions his "friends in Riverside in California" (fellow training mates coached by Tammy Gambill).

    ETA this recent press release for the Riverside rink in which Kerry is mentioned: http://www.prweb.com/releases/icetown/olympics/prweb10931482.htm
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  10. AusTechSpec

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    I feel like the newer Dodds pair has a chance. Can't remember the girls name, but watched them skate at the ISA review before Skate Downunder and they have been doing very well considering they have only been together for a part of this year.

    The problem being is that according to the ISA rules (please don't ask me to find the rules and quote them) we were supposed to send Chantelle Kerry to nebelhorn not Brooklee.
    There is no doubt for me that Brooklee would produce a better olympic result for Australia however there have already been legal battles going on over this and it is likely to just get worse if she pulls out another excuse and withdraws or gets beat by Chantelle at Nationals.

    Despite me saying that Brooklee would produce a better Olympic spot, I also think that if Chantelle and Brooklee compete at Nationals that Chantelle will win. Which is why I agree with most of you in saying that not just one competition should decide who gets the spot. We really needed both Chantelle and Brooklee to both copete at the same international to decide it. I think another country was doing something similar at cup of Nice the other week, might have been the french team.
  11. Sylvia

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  12. AusTechSpec

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    yes but... (and again i get most of this through the skating gossip talk and is likely to be partially wrong) there was an issue with brooklees excuse and something to do with her skating in a local US comp without getting ISA approval and at roughly the same time as she was "sick"...
    It is basically assumed that she was avoiding competing against chantelle in Australia, hence the court battles that have been going on...
  13. Sylvia

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  14. AusTechSpec

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    yeah to be honest im seriously under informed here, ima talk to my ISA person and get the full story if your interested. All i know is that there have been non stop fights within ISA over what will happen if Chantelle wins at Nationals. I know for a fact they've been trying to change the ISA rules on who gets to take the spot, which has started a fight with the OWI as well. Fun time to be on ISA no doubt.
  15. allezfred

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    Photos of two of the Dodds brothers from Coupe de Nice here.
  16. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Even if that were the case, AusTechSpec, you should not be publicising rumours like this. This is how real problems start, with people whispering behind other people's backs.

    *

    In more important matters, Jordan Dodds' burgundy SP velvet jacket is still one of my favourite costumes this season so far.
  17. Aussie Willy

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    Well there is also the ISA Member Protection Policy, which as a coach AusTech Spec should be fully aware of as a member of APSA and applying a certain degree of self-censorship, particularly in a public form such as this one.
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I'm not interested in hearing "skating gossip talk" that is "likely to be partially wrong" masquerading as "the full story."
  19. Jumpin Bean

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    The only way Chantelle will get Olympics is for Brooklee to be unable to attend for health reasons or personal indiscretion. The policy is clear on this.

    Chantelle has not been able to beat Brooklee on total scores on the international stage. The aim of the AOC is the send the competitor with the ability to get the highest place possible at Olympics. At this stage Chantelle needs to stay match fit and be prepared to step up if required, not unlike David would for Brendan.

    For Chantelle to excel further she needs to train overseas where she is surrounded by the competitive culture of training experienced by high level skaters. Australian training conditions remains largely recreational competitive rather then competition competitive and this is reflected in the scores achieved by the Australian group already training elsewhere compared to those who continue to train in conditions which include all ages and all levels on the ice at once.
  20. sk8ingcoach

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    Why would Brooklee come to nationals when she knows Australian judges favor Chantelle.
  21. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    Are you just trying to stir trouble? Why would someone say that when they have no proof?
  22. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    This is exactly the sort of crap Australian skating does NOT need. People talking rubbish, hinting darkly at wild conspiracy theories, dishing out gossip as "fact". Australian skating has a hard enough time getting taken seriously as a sport to begin with without idiots like you two carrying on like eleven-year-old girls.
  23. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree. It really is unnecessary to be making such comments. We are such a small skating community and to read some of this stuff is embarrassing to say the least.
  24. AusTechSpec

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    oh come on... Everyone talks like this about the high level skaters. Whether they deserved to win, or lose, they should've gotten higher, the judges obviously favor them. Why do we have this idea that it is forbidden for Australian skaters. really?

    I agree on the matter though, in an Australian competition, Chantelle is likely to win. Competing anywhere else I would expect a very different result.
  25. sk8ingcoach

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    It is no secret that Australian judges prefer Chantelle. Yes her short program was great at skatedownunder but she received higher scores than what she would overseas.

    Internationally if both were clean brooklee would win, but in Australia Chantelle gets favored and receives higher PCS

    You can disagree if u like but this is reality. so why would brooklee come to nationals if chantelle is already in line to win. why risk the olympic spot that she just obtained.
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  26. Sylvia

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    New interview with Brooklee Han: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/11/04/63662690
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    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    So her spot for Sochi is confirmed, yes?! And it doesn't matter how she skates at Nationals right? No more Miriam Manzano situation?!
  28. essence_of_soy

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    Is Nationals being used to determine which skaters are being sent to Four Continents, Junior Worlds and Worlds?

    So for example if Chantelle Kerry wins and Brooklee Han is second, will Kerry be sent to Worlds? Or if both skaters go to Four Continents, will the decision be made there?
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  29. Oz_sk8ting_mum

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    The Policy Document is at: http://www.isa.org.au/Documents/Hig...rnational Championship Selection Criteria.pdf

    The section relating to Worlds states

    4.2 World Championships
    (a) Selection for the 2014 ISU World Figure Skating Championships will be allocated to senior age
    eligible athletes from the ISA Senior International Pool who:
    (i) have achieved the ISU Minimum Technical Scores for World Figure Skating
    Championships 2014 by 26 January 2014.
    The ISU minimum Technical Scores for World Figure Skating Championships 2014 as
    published by the ISU are:
    Men SP 34.0 FS 63.0
    Ladies SP 26.0 FS 46.0
    Pair Skating SP 24.0 FS 41.0
    Ice Dance SD 28.0 FD 38.0
    and
    (ii) have competed in the Senior Division of the 2013 AFSC or have been granted an
    Exceptional Circumstance for the 2013 AFSC
    (b) If more than one (1) athlete in each discipline has met the above requirements, athletes will
    be evaluated by the ISA Selection Panel based on their two highest:
    (i) Technical Element Scores (short program/dance); and
    (ii) Technical Element Scores (free program/dance); and
    (iii) Total Points Scores
    achieved at any two of the following events:
     2013 AFSC;
     2013/2014 ISU International Competitions in the current international skating season;
    and
     One 2013 ISU Championship event
    (c) The mean of each of the scores obtained for 4.2(b)(i),(ii),(iii) above will be calculated. The
    highest aggregate ordinals of the scores will be used to determine nominations. In the case
    of a tie in the ordinals of the scores, then the athlete with the highest short program/dance
    TES will determine the nominations.
    (d) The nominations will be published on the ISA website (www.isa.org.au) by 3 February 2013.
    Subsequently ranked athletes will be entered as substitutes.
    (e) If ISA is unable to fill the full entry quota by 26 January 2014, then ISA will consider any
    athletes in the ISA Senior International pool who are able to achieve the ISU Minimum
    Technical Score requirements for ISU World Figure Skating Championships between 27
    January and 16 March 2014. Athletes entered into ISU international competitions within the
    specified timeframe will receive a provisional entry for the ISU World Figure Skating
    Championships subject to achieving the ISU Minimum Technical Scores. If more than one
    athlete meets the ISU Minimum Technical Score requirements, the athlete with the highest
    short program/dance TES will be nominated.
  30. Sylvia

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    Chantelle Kerry won Skate DownUnder in August.

    Prior to that, Joanne Carter won Piruetten in 1998.
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  33. spikydurian

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    Talking about it doesn't mean that it is true. And if you feel the right to talk about conspiracy theories, others have the right to object to it. If you think the rules are not fair. then write in to change it. Conspiracy theories do not paint a good picture of any organisation and they have the right to demand proof to support the negative theory. If I am a rich organisation, I will take legal action. This is defamation to a certain extent.
  34. Sylvia

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    Re-posting from the "New Skate Guard Articles/Interviews" thread in GSD:
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    Q: The Australian National Championships are coming up, what are your goals for this season and what can you share about your new programs for this year? 

    A: I have a few different goals this season. I am happy to say I have already achieved my first goal at the 2013 Cup of Nice just a few weeks ago, which was to gain my Four Continents and Olympic TES scores. Some of my other goals of the season are to skate a new personal best in both programs at Nationals and make the 2014 Australian Four Continents team. For my programs this year I am skating to "Pagliacci" and "Nessun Dorma".
  35. Sylvia

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    Brooklee Han article before Australian Nationals: http://newcanaan.dailyvoice.com/sports/redding-skater-awaits-word-olympic-bid-australia
  36. Marco

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    What? So her place isn't already confirmed?!
  37. Sylvia

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    Am I missing a thread in Kiss and Cry about Australian Nationals, or is the competition only being discussed here and in the CAS hearing thread?

    I really enjoyed watching the Novice Dance: simple skating and simple lifts. I only see Eliza Smyth and Jordan Dodds listed for international competition, and they're Juniors. I couldn't hear the name of Matthew Dodds' partner, with whom he competed in Senior Pairs. they seemed to have lots of speed, and their one-foot, change direction footwork into their jump combo was wicked. Their lifts had lots of ice coverage, but I was a little scared watching his feet in the turning lifts, although he seemed quite stable. She fought for her landings, while the younger Pairs women seemed to collapse into theirs. I wish they could go to Gauthier for some extensive coaching. None of the Pairs get high at all in the double twists.

    ETA: Love the coaches trying to cheer up the gladiator kid in KnC.
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  39. Sylvia

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    Many thanks, Sylvia!