Aussie Skating

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Oz_sk8ting_mum, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. Oz_sk8ting_mum

    Oz_sk8ting_mum New Member

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  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Bumping up this thread to post an article about Brooklee Han who is competing at Four Continents this week: http://weston.dailyvoice.com/sports/reddings-brooklee-han-aims-skate-sochi-olympics
  3. Aussie Willy

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    Thanks for posting Sylvia.
  4. TheIronLady

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    Brooklee Han actually looks pretty good and enjoyable. Some of the skaters for AUS the last two years have made me wonder what their Russian coaches were thinking.

    Brooklee Han Triglav Trophy 2012 FS
  5. Oz_sk8ting_mum

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    Thanks for Posting about Brooklee and now she has the scores for worlds looks like she is on track, good for her!

    Best of luck to all the Aussie's competing at 4CC this week and fingers crossed that Greg and Danny get the FD points they need to go to worlds !!!
  6. Ziggy

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    I find it quite surprising that with the amount of Russian coaches working in Australia, they haven't been able to produce a number of internationally competitive home-grown skaters yet. I guess ice time is a big problem?
  7. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Ice time, expensive everything, lack of government or any other kind of support...
  8. TheIronLady

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    And it won't get any better if they don't start showing it on Aussie TV!
  9. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I fear for that to happen an entire attitude overhaul of the Australian public would be required...the percentage of those who consider figure skating to actually be a sport is quite small (not to mention the good old stereotypes about boys who skate!)...sadly I live in a house full of that.

    I had high hopes when ONE HD started as a 24 hour sports channel that maybe figure skating might get a look in (considering some of the rubbish they were showing at the time), but free to air, we seem to be stuck with an every-four-year thing. I don't think it's even on pay tv.
  10. AndyWarhol

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    I think there are a lot of people that would watch skating, if it was on accessable and was marketed towards them. Figure skating is never going to get the AFL and Rugby fans, but the demographic that watch gymnastics and dance sport would watch. It's just not an option.
  11. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I was just thinking, I wonder how the ratings were for Torvill and Dean's Dancing on Ice. I know the show dumped after just one season, but I always felt that had more to do with the continuous injuring of the celebrities rather than anything else.

    At any rate, I wouldn't ask for much; just the Senior World Championships every year would be a start.

    I think I posted about it in another thread, but I always thought getting an elite skater on "Australia's Greatest Athlete" would be interesting. They may not win, but if they were able to take it to the footy guys in a few challenges, it might challenge some perceptions.
  12. Marco

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    I wish the sport would make broadcast during ungodly hours or on SBS or something, rather than not making TV at all.

    There was some coverage back when Australia hosted Jr Worlds, and when Jo Carter was a threat to top ten at the Olympics and Worlds in 1998. I don't think there was broadcast on the main channels when Jo made her comeback in 2005?

    And Cheltzie Lee has once again disappeared?
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  13. Aussie Willy

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    The ratings went down as the season went along. Not as bad as Channel 10 last year but for all the money the network spent on it I don't think they got anything back on it. Although it did lead to a renewed interest in people skating because they actually thought they could do it themselves.

    I think Cheltzie is injured so is currently not competing. I saw her skate at Hollins and she was really good.

    As for putting skaters on shows against football players, do you realise how much smaller figure skaters are compared to footballers?
  14. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Yes, I do. But the concept of the Australia's Greatest Athlete show was to pit different athletes against each other in various challenges that were designed to level the playing field, so to speak. There were football kicking challenges, running challenges, a sort of ironman challege, weightlifting challeges, a rock-climbing challege - there was at least one challege that each contestant would specialise in. (Such as, in the third season I think it was, Jamie Whincup murdered them all on dune-buggies; it was one of the only challenges he won). Matthew Mitcham was on there once and he didn't disgrace himself.
  15. Bunny Hop

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    That is correct. Last year ESPN Australia showed highlights of US Nationals in the week after the event (which I realised too late!), but they haven't done that this year. And Eurosport Asia-Pacific doesn't show skating either, despite showing other winter sports.
    Well, Worlds was going to be shown on SBS in whichever year it was that Australia was meant to host it (2001??), but then the ISU withdrew the event from Australia in favour of Nice. But SBS had the broadcasting rights for the Australian event. I've always wondered if the ISU didn't realise how small a broadcaster SBS was at the time they granted Australia the event, and when they found out that was one of the reasons it was pulled.
  16. Aussie Willy

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    Australia was meant to hold Worlds in 2000. The event went to Nice instead.
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    aussieSKATES will do its best to source Team Australia's performances from this weekend's Four Continents Championships event in Japan and post them at our Youtube and Facebook pages.
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    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I have thought several times since that an opportunity may have been missed when the JGP came to Brisbane. It might have been a good way to put some feelers out, test the waters, see what ratings it might draw, even if it was only on a station's digital channel, like SBSTwo or something. Then, if it drew reasonably well for an event of its type, maybe a station might have considered Worlds or something.
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    I don't think any JGP gets broadcast. The ISU have in the last couple of years posted clips of every skater on their Youtube channel which has been fantastic. However in Australia the only coverage something like that or even Nationals gets shown is as novelty items on the local news.

    The reality is the Australian media do not care about figure skating, along with a number of other minority sports (so we are not the only one and we are not that special). Figure skating will only get shown during the Olympics. Whilst Channel 9's coverage was crap, Foxtel did show everything (which I now have and intend to pay for the Olympics coverage next time). However I gave up many years ago hoping year after year I would get to see skating on TV. Thankfully I had my contacts overseas who kindly sent me videos and DVDs of events so that kept me happy.

    The other issue is as our sport is volunteer run, publicity and promotion depends on some individual within ISA or the various State Associations being so totally passionate about it that they are prepared to put in hours and hours of their own time to do the role. Unless you have that then not much is going to happen. But again we are in the same boat as every other minority sport that depends on their volunteer workforce or gets no government funding. The media are just not interested.

    Luckily in Melbourne we now have the Icehouse which does publicise on TV so that is something. In the 3 years since that rink opened we have seen a noticable difference in the development of our sport in Victoria.
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    I love the Icehouse. I skated there once a couple of years ago, it was just fantastic.

    Speaking of promotion/cross-promotion, did you see the launch of the F1 Grand Prix with the car on the ice? That was pretty cool.
  21. AndyWarhol

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    Maybe we should get Lara Bingle to take up skating?
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    Permanently instead of just doing it for money?
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    That is so rude of the ISU. Or was it something that Australia did? What city was going to host? After the success of the Brisbane 2001 Goodwill Games skating competition, you would think the ISU would have made an effort to bring a worlds, or at least a Four Continents, to Australia. The ISU is run by chauvinists, and naturally Australia would have some disadvantages hosting, but I cannot imagine it does the sport's international popularity much good to keep passing the event between France, USA, CAN, Russia, and Japan.
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  24. AndyWarhol

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    i just had to google what you were getting at. I forgot she was on that show, as I never watched it.
    You think that the glitz and a chance to be a princess would be appealing to many a bogan female.
    Perhaps we can get Bingle to sleep with one of our male skaters and have another nude scandal!
  25. TheIronLady

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    Not that many of Australia's male skaters look likely to be caught in the bedrooms of girls!
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  26. AndyWarhol

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    Thats ok, she doesn't need to be in the bedroom, she just needs to be on the balcony with no top on.
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    That sounds more promising. You need to set this up.
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    I do! Ill make sure I style her walk of shame outfit, that way, both skating and I win ;)
  29. Ziggy

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    Problems with tv rights, IIRC?

    Depends. The rampant homophobia means that a lot of straight American skaters quit at some point during adolescence but the vast majority of European skaters are straight just the vast majority of people are straight.
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  30. Aussie Willy

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    There were a number of reasons and it went to the International Court of Arbitration for Sport. Sorry but chauvinsm doesn't even enter into it. There is a Wiki-page which mentions about it and has links to documents.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_World_Figure_Skating_Championships

    As for why Australia hasn't bid for Worlds or even Junior Worlds since then, there are a number of factors. Money is the major one, plus the volunteer workforce. Last year the World Junior Speedskating championships were held at the Icehouse. Great event. But it took 3 years of planning to put it on. And that is at a ready made rink. If you were to host an international event such as Worlds you basically have to hire a stadium and put down ice which is extremely expensive.

    If you want to hold an international event, you have to be prepared to possibly take financial loss, not to mention exhaust your volunteer workforce. Just ask those who hosted the JGP in 2011. Even having Nationals is tiring enough.
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    Well Willie you need to lead the charge. I think it would be so great idea to have a Four Continents in Australia. I would travel across the oceans to Melbourne or Sydney for it. They need to start planning and rounding up the volunteers!

    One of my favorite memories of 2003 Worlds in Washington, DC was the crazy volunteer ladies yelling at the television screens in the halls where they were working about how Michelle better get some 6.0s. I've never seen women get so loud toward a TV.

    It may be unrealistic until Australian skating gets a new dose of enthusiasm, but anything is possible with a few committed individuals and support from some powerful people.
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    Thanks. I knew it had to be either 2000 or 2001, as 2000 was the last year I worked at SBS. I remember them announcing we were going to show Worlds in one of our weekly meetings.....and then never hearing about it again!
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    Slightly off topic, but for those Australian skating fans who have Foxtel, be aware that ESPN-2 (Channel 509) will be showing highlights from the US Figure Skating Championships at 6pm each night between 26th Feburary and 1st March.
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    Just a bit of news from out West. The skater Tara Amin's mother past away from a brain haemorrhage on the 13th of Feb. Not sure if any of the Aussie skaters know Tara or her Mum but they were very close and Carla (mother) was only 50, and was always at the rink with her daughter. Very sad.
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    Thanks for that. I am just going to have to subscribe to the sports channel then (which I don't get at the moment).

    I understand it was very sudden and one of those freak situations. I had dealt with Karla when she contacted me regarding Tara's skating re Victoria. Very sad to hear. She was a very nice person.
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    I dont have Foxtel, but that is exciting!
  37. Sylvia

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    Here are Brooklee Han's first 2 blog posts for the Australian Olympic Committee's site:

    April 17: http://corporate.olympics.com.au/news/brooklee-han-takes-flight-blog
    May 3: http://corporate.olympics.com.au/news/a-fork-in-the-road-brooklee-s-blog
    Re-posting this March 2013 article on Danielle O'Brien/Greg Merriman (the original link I posted has since changed to this one): http://corporate.olympics.com.au/news/figure-skaters-find-silver-lining
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  38. Marco

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    I guess it's all about Brooklee Han now and there's no more news on Cheltzie Lee?
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    The last news posted here about Cheltzie Lee was in December 2012 -- she had competed in local events last summer (winter in Australia) but missed Nationals in December reportedly due to injury. She hasn't competed internationally since 2011 Worlds. :(
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    Seeing this is the Aussie Skating thread, have to mention that Nationals will take place in Melbourne this year.