Ashley Wagner finds strength under pressure, consistency (article)

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Active Member

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    Yeah I was leaning towards the technical issues aswell which will hold her back. I cringe watching her flip entry, it used to be much better 6 years ago but that is what happens in skating.

    I find Kiira to have a lightness to her upper body that rivals the best of the best. I don't find her lower body (edges/stroking) to be quite as magnificent. I still would put money on Ashley if they landed the same technical content because Kiira will suffer on jump GOE. This is entirely subjectively my opinion, however.
  2. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    Funny, I seem to remember another skater whom people said could only win if her competitors made mistakes (cough*Lipinski*cough).

    You never know what's going to happen until it actually happens.
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  3. kwanatic

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    I've never been a fan of the "Skater A won just b/c Skater B made mistakes" even though it's true. Ex: would Sarah have won in SLC if Michelle and Irina hadn't made mistakes? No. Would Shizuka have won in Torino if Sasha and Irina hadn't made mistakes? No. Would Kimmie have won worlds in 2006 if Sasha was clean? Definitely not. Sometimes skaters get lucky and all of the cards fall into place. That doesn't necessarily mean they're the better skater or competitor, it just means they were able to get it done when others couldn't.

    The challenge of competing is being able to deliver when the pressure is on. There are a number of skaters who are more talented than the people who end up winning. The reason they don't win is b/c they don't deliver the goods when they need to. A few seasons ago Ashley fit into that mold: she was just as if not more talented than several of the people she finished behind but it was b/c she lacked consistency or made errors when she needed to skate cleanly. Now she's learned to focus and compete. She's delivering her programs cleanly or with very few errors and that is boosting her reputation through the roof, especially seeing as how most skaters can't complete more than 3 or 4 triples in a program.
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  4. luenatic

    luenatic Well-Known Member

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    Boy Howdy. You missed one prime example: Kurt Browning
  5. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Active Member

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    Liked this post a lot :)
  6. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    True, and if Wagner improved that much like Lipinski did when leading up to the Olympics, then I would be very happy for her success. :)
  7. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Me too, thank you kwanatic. If Wagner won when she delivered the goods but nobody else did, then I would be happy for her. But if Wagner won when everyone delivered the goods, then I would be happier - but for this to happen - she needs to improve still.
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  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I'm bumping up this thread with this pre-Nationals article on Ashley Wagner: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130110&content_id=40912102&vkey=ice_news
  10. apatinar

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    I often find Kiira's upper body quite stiff.. Often she has arms that stick straight out like someone who is first learning how to skate. She doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Ashley or any other of the top skaters. It baffles me how she finds her way into the mix. Besides her "beauty" which I find really quite average, I don't really know what else about her that stands out... Ashley's packaging this season has been nothing short of a revelation... She just needs the triple triple to have the absolute complete package..
  11. BigB08822

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    I seem to remember that only being said about Lipinski when talking about whether she could beat Kwan and even then it was only really at the 1998 Olympics. Looking back, she DID need mistakes from Kwan to win 97 Nationals and 97 Worlds. In 1998 Lipinski was seen as an even match and then when Kwan skated like she did at 98 Nationals everyone was saying that Lipinski could not beat a clean Kwan at the Olympics. It was really only for one competition.
  12. Marco

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    I find her body movements and movements across the ice a lot more effortless than Wagner's.