Ashley Wagner decries Russian anti-gay law

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sugar, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Very true, and should be repeated. I guess my problem is that I see indifference as thinking that the issue is unimportant. I shouldn't confuse that with someone being complicit. What makes the trap easier is that unlike those who are responsible for the law or the USOC and USFS, the skaters are seemingly much more personable and available for direct communication.
  2. nylynnr

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    The skaters are available for direct communication on the issue because questions about it are asked when they would usually be discussing their programs, training and other aspects to the run-up to the Olympics. The media summit is at least the third time many of the skaters have been asked to address the law. Most of the skaters aren't saying anything they didn't say at Champs Camp, or the US Figure Skating Classic. If they are asked again at Skate America and nationals they will likely repeat themselves, again. Questions (and calls for action) to the leaders of the IOC, USOC and perhaps US political figures would be more fruitful, IMO.
  3. Jammers

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    US political figures? Those clowns can't even keep the government running.
  4. VIETgrlTerifa

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    It's not about measuring how productive it is. People are just naturally reacting to something they don't like.
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    I guess I choose to focus on Ashley, not those who don't offer an opinion on the subject or who don't speak out. It seems to take attention away from the important issues when the focus shifts to criticizing comments made by athletes that are basically not commenting and/or not taking a stand on the issue.

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  6. aftershocks

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    Thank you, Peter G.

    We should all be as brave and as fearless as Ashley has found it in her heart and spirit to be on this issue. But all those criticizing the other athletes, walk in their shoes first, review your own history of standing up and speaking out on a controversial topic, particularly as a young person still growing up in the world. Ash deserves kudos, but the other skaters do not deserve scorn.
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  7. BittyBug

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    Yes, but not everyone is a leader. These athletes are already under an inordinate amount of pressure - to expect them to champion a particular cause may be asking too much.

    Many of these skaters are "kids" in the sense that many of them have led very sheltered lives with a very singular focus. It varies by skater, of course, but many of them still have much of their life details like living arrangements, meals, transportation, laundry, etc. attended to by either a parent or coach, to allow them to fully focus on training. Heck, even outside of skating, everyone matures at a different rate, and while there are many fully engaged and participating 25 year olds who are responsible adults, there are probably just as many still living at home with mom and dad with little idea of how to manage a budget, cook a meal or possibly even do laundry, much less any in depth knowledge or awareness of world affairs. So I agree with Peter.
  8. Simone411

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    Bravo and much applause! Way to go, Ashley! :respec: :rockstar: :cheer2:
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    The mezzo-soprano Joyce DiDonato turned down a gig in Russia, but even she had doubts about it:

    ("The New Yorker," October 7, 2013, profile by Alex Ross)

    I'm sure the Moscow slot in DiDonato's schedule could have been re-booked in an instant, and she is not someone who spent her entire life working towards a goal whose pinnacle is an Olympic Games in Russia. However, it does show that a 44-year-old media savvy person in the limelight had her own doubts about the right way to go and didn't think it was all that simple. Why should it be simple for the skaters?
  10. Jiazumi

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    This doesn't surprise me at all.

    Out of all the US ladies, Ashley seems the most down to earth and genuine.

    No fake smiles for my girl Ashley! Tell em'! Go Wagner 2014!!!
  11. elka_sk8

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    ITA. It's an important issue to her and I applaud Ashley for speaking out, but some of the criticisms against those who chose not to take up the issue make me uncomfortable.
  12. suef

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    Well, those who chose not to take up the issue make me uncomfortable, as well.
  13. aftershocks

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    Another factor seemingly is that perhaps other skaters share the same concerns and views expressed by Ashley, but are not able to articulate their feelings as well as she did (or are nervous about saying what they feel because those who did do so but not very eloquently or inoffensively, were heavily criticized).

    I suspect that Ashley is not necessarily viewing her comments as being brave, just as being true to herself, her beliefs and her principles. But yeah, she definitely has a brave heart which is evident not only in this instance.
  14. dinakt

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    I am very glad Ashley spoke plainly on the subject. Somebody should.
    But the issue IS complicated. NOT the gay equality itself, but the question of "to go or not to go, to speak or not and when". I wish we would all stop calling for other people to make statements.
    Kwanfan1818, I love DiDonato and admire her stance. Though I do not blame Netrebko for not coming out on Met's Opening Night with a sign " Tchaikovsky was gay and societal pressure ruined his life" either ( though it would be wonderful if she addressed it in one of her interviews). But as a different example ( and I hope he forgives me if he reads it for making an example out of him)- a good friend of mine ( gay) was invited to perform alongside his life partner in one of the countries where homosexuality is completely illegal. They both went together. My main thought was - just be careful!!! His take- I will not let their screwed-up politics affect my life and my career choices. This is what I do, and I am going to be good at it.
    And this is just as valuable- not letting discrimination win by living one's life. So perhaps it will take everything. Some people speaking out, some people doing what they are best at, being who they are.
    Backtracking- I liked Ashley in her Skating Lesson Interview a great deal, now I like her even more. But we have zero right to pressure athletes.
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  15. leafygreens

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    It's amazing that the movement of "No Bullying!" is going out of its way to bully others.

    So everyone who is old enough to vote should be an activist, and an articulate champion of each community's issues?

    It makes you uncomfortable that not every person is an activist? Are you uncomfortable with most of the world's population?

    That's not exactly true. There have been people demanding to hear what certain athletes have to say about the issue, as if their silence means they hate humanity.

    I agree. It's illogical.
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  16. suef

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    Just as the skaters are allowed their own opinions, I am allowed to have mine. And I am allowed to disagree with what they are saying, or with what they are not saying, and form my own opinions about it. And, I am allowed to chose not to support, or be fans of, certain skater... for this, or any other reason.
  17. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I think the fact that people are framing the idea of just having an opinion or at least being sensitive enough to the issue to avoid saying something that could be construed as insensitive is being an activist (which some people use as a dirty word) says a lot about the differences in how people view this issue (or any issue).

    Also, I think there's a difference between bullying and being critical. Although, I have no doubt some people are using this as an excuse to excessively go after skaters and athletes due to their own personal dislike of said skater/athlete. However, there's no reason to demean the whole "No Bullying!" movement nor does it do much to twist it into something that it's not (meaning that the No Bullying! means never being critical...which is not what it means).
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  19. Skittl1321

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    Agnes addressed her statement in an icenetwork article.
    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/10/04/62472362/the-inside-edge-zawadzki-faces-media-trains-hard


    So it sounds like she was unprepared to answer the question and didn't phrase it well. Proper media training, they should have known that question was coming!
  20. manhn

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    I am glad Agnes took the time to better word her response. And I like what she just said. If I based my friendships on people's initial reactions to all gay issues, I would have no friends. Heck I'd hate myself and I'm gay. Go, Agnes!
  21. FunnyBut

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    Yes, I am also glad that Agnes clarified initial statement and gave it some context. Good for her.