Ashley and Gracie: Mission Accomplished!

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  1. Dufusyte

    Dufusyte New Member

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    [spoiler alert, for those who have not yet watched Worlds 2013, or the preceding 5 years]

    It was a dark day at Worlds 2008 when three US ladies failed to finish in the combined 13th spot (you know what I mean) and lost the right to send three US ladies to the upcoming Olympics, and next Worlds. Kimmie Meissner (7th), Beatrisa Liang (10th), and Ashley Wagner (16th) dropped the torch, ushering in the Dark Age of US Ladies skating. With their top finisher at 7th, there was no way to get under the 13 wire.

    At Worlds 2009, Flatt (5th: respectable) and Czisny (11th: my turn to bomb) continued the dry spell.

    At Worlds 2010, Nagasu (7th: impossible to make 13 when your best is 7th) and Flatt (9th: flat) could not get the ball bouncing.

    At Worlds 2011, Czisny (5th: respectable) and Flatt (12th: my turn to bomb worse than your bomb) could not light the fuse.

    At Worlds 2012, Wagner (4th: nicely done) and Czisny (22nd: my bomb will never be surpassed!!) missed the mark.

    And then, at Worlds 2013, with the Olympics coming around the corner, chanting "3 spots! 3 spots!," the new dawn of US Ladies' skating, veteran Ashley Wagner (5th: respectable) and the child of destiny, Gracie Gold (6th: not bad for a rookie) shattered the curse and gained 3 spots at the Olympics and Worlds for the next team of US Ladies!

    Can I get an Amen? Can I get an Amen?

    Well done, Ashley and Gracie! May the US Ladies always hang on to three spots! And while we have them, lets sweep the podium like in 1991 Yamaguchi (1), Harding (2), Kerrigan (3).
     
  2. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any country ever sweeping the podium like the US did back then. It was nice to have not just one but two contenders for the podium something we came to expect for a long time here in the US. Ashley and Gracie did show guts to get that 3rd spot back you could see it meant a lot to Ashley.
     
  3. Dilng

    Dilng Well-Known Member

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    Congratulations Ashley and Gracie for getting the job done!!!! May you both get on the podium very soon!:)
     
  4. FunnyBut

    FunnyBut Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad that there's a thread for this. Ashley and Gracie totally beat the odds this year. It was one of the most competitive and well-skated worlds in recent memory. The only skater that got past them that they could have possibly beat was Murakami, amazing that they were both ahead of all of Tuktamysheva, Sotnikova, Leonova, Suzuki. A big congrats and thank you to both of them for finally getting it done!
     
  5. taf2002

    taf2002 Texas slumlord

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    Some of the people they beat this time could easily beat them on another day. So 3 spots may not be the "new norm". The ladies may not do this well next time. But that's what makes international competition exciting to me. There are a lot of ladies who deserve anywhere from 3 thru 12 at Worlds/Olys.
     
  6. allezfred

    allezfred Hideous Admin Staff Member

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    Will Ashley and Gracie be appearing on an aircraft carrier? :slinkaway
     
  7. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    When you think of it, it was a huge miracle the one time the U.S did it. It required Ito to be badly injured twice in the same event (that was the only way she could skate poorly enough to lose to Kerrigan's so so performances with serious mistakes and lacking technical content at those Worlds).
     
  8. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Yes, 3 spots for Worlds is not going to be so "given" like in the Kwan era. Still, having 3 girls going for it is easier than having just 2. Looking back, Zhang in 2009 could have helped, so would Nagasu in 2011. Perhaps Wagner could have helped in 2010 since Worlds wasn't that strong that year, but Nagasu herself was actually a downgrade away from the medal. Funnily enough, even if US had kept having 3 spots all these years, they probably couldn't have done it last year, with Czisny's injury and Zawadzki's inconsistent skating.
     
  9. skateboy

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    :)
     
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  10. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

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    This competition was just so, so tragic. I have never heard of someone falling on all but one jump in the LP and also getting 5 points in deductions. Maybe it has happened to a lower ranked skater but someone of her caliber, it's just unheard of.

    I'm wondering how she was doing in practices just prior to WC and if there was any indication she should have dropped out.
     
  11. olympic

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    Since this thread is in regards to Ashley and Gracie, what do you think they need to do to move up onto the podium??

    I think Ashley needs to put her 3-spots mission behind her and just concentrate on herself for the coming Olympic season. She needs to pace herself, select a 3-3 jumping pass and just work it into her programs from the get-go (or perhaps a 3-3 sequence). She also needs to concentrate on achieving Lv4 on all her non-jump elements regularly. She seemed to be on track to do that by the GPF last December, but she started to lose steam with the hip pointer, food poisoning, etc. She is not a balletic ice princess and can't compete with Asada or Kostner in that way, but she would do well to take a lesson from Ando or Rochette, who weren't balletic princesses either but kind of muscled their way onto the podium by technically working the hell out of CoP and not giving away anything. Joannie got a true lutz towards the end of her career, and would do a 3-3 sequence to get points. I wonder if Ashley could finally achieve that.

    I think Gracie could go far with a Kwan-like '96 transformation. BTW, Who will do her choreography this year? And perhaps she should start to back-load a bit more in both the SP and LP as she gets more confidence. I also wonder if she could even up the ante by revisiting a 3f-1l-3sal or even a 3x. There are videos of her landing the 3x in practice.
     
  12. Skater91

    Skater91 New Member

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    Ashley and Gracie were lucky so many girls bombed at this years worlds and had so many mistakes!
     
  13. olympic

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    ^Like who?
     
  14. sk8ingcoach

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    How about Kaetlyn Osmond, Akiko, all 3 russians. All skaters that bombed in either the short or long where they could have beaten the Americans.
     
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    :respec: :biggrinbo
     
  16. olympic

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    First of all, I wouldn't say that Sotnikova and Osmond 'bombed'. Sotnikova had 3 or 4 UR's, didn't get a full level on a spin and missed a combo. She seemed happy enough after her performances and stayed off her bottom. Osmond fell x2 in her LP and had the performance of her life in the SP, so that again wasn't a disaster. Tuk had 2 grave errors in her SP, but was reasonably clean in the LP. Suzuki had a UR and small step-out in the SP, but I admit her LP was one to forget. However, her SB and Wagner's SB were both around 190 pts. and Wagner w/ mistakes at the GPF beat Suzuki w/ mistakes at the GPF. And Leonova would've beaten them, too? LOL

    And, if you are going to assume that Osmond, Sotnikova, Tuk, Leonova and Suzuki wouldn't bomb and all would finish ahead of both Wagner and Gold, you would have to also take into consideration that neither Wagner nor Gold were clean themselves. Wagner missed levels on several of her non-jump elements, missed a GOE opportunity on her SP jump combo (the Rippon toe was a strategic move by Wagner and got some extra points), got a UR and fell x1 herself in the LP. Gold had a UR, screwed up a spin, obtained 2 edge calls, had a turn out and 2 step-outs in the LP.

    So, be fair. It may have been closer but to say they were 'lucky' and that all of the above would've passed them by is really silly.
     
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  17. Coco

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    It's just Akiko who really performed worse than expected, and maybe Tuk, but she would not have passed Ashley.

    If both those skaters had skated the competition of their lives, Gracie would have had to step it up. But I have to think her PCS keeps her ahead of Tuk because she's covering about 30% more ice than Tuk.

    Not sure where Kira would have placed. Hope she heals!!
     
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    Yeah, Akiko could have easily beaten Ashley and Gracie with a skate like she did at NHK and most the season!

    I am not a fan of tuks skating but I have to say that I think that if Tuk had skated clean her program components are better than Gracies.
    Gracies programs are horrible and compared to Tuk she would be lower in all the Program components except for maybe skating skills.

    I think based on most the results this season she would have definitely been top ten, assuming she wouldn't have mad a total melt down like most of the ladies!
     
  19. Mayra

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    :lol:

    Could've, would've, should've and if are words people like to throw around for those that didn't get the job done. Nice to think about to make you feel better, but reality is it didn't happen and Ashley and Gracie did enough to place 5th and 6th.

    The ice is slippery and on any given day the results could change, but that doesn't change or belittle what they accomplished IMO.
     
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  20. Skittl1321

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    I'm sure she will. She already met that goal, of course it is time to move on to the next.
     
  21. Coco

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    1 foot 2sal-3flip and 2a-1foot loop-3sal or flip. That gets her more +GOE in the SP and 7 triples in the long, assuming she can do a clean solo 3toe.
     
  22. victoriaheidi

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    One of the most important things for both ladies next season: excellent programs! By this, I mean that they need great music and choreography that they can perform well (not referring to things like jumps; I mean music that they can "sell," if that makes sense). Gracie's SP this season...she just never nailed it. Can't happen next year!

    Also, I really think they both (but ESPECIALLY Gracie) should pick less common music and focus on picking pieces they can really "own." Ashley can get away with something a little more conventional, but if USFS wants to keep up the "Gracie is the most amazing thing to ever happen to figure skating ever ever ever" thing, she needs music that isn't associated with others. Not that she really did that this season. Hernando's Hideaway isn't really original, though. And Life Is Beautiful has been done before, too. I think she should pick music that is recognizable (for attention-getting purposes when it comes to TV time) but not commonly done in skating. As I've suggested for her before, the Harry Potter score is a great idea. Something that has mainstream appeal that SHE can make an iconic skating program.

    Ashley just needs to keep working on consistency in her jump technique and spins. Seriously, I think she and Mills and Nicks need to spend some time going over spin levels again and working out contingency plans for her spins. She should not be losing levels on those!