As for designating Miki Ando to the certified skater of JSF, it was not this time.

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  1. Akira Andrea

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    This is an article in “Daily News” in Japan
    Translating to English from Japanese.

    As for designating Miki Ando to the certified skater of JSF, it was not this time. (1/2)
    October 16th, 2013

    Regarding the issue which lets Miki Ando return to the certified skater of JSF, which was reviewed, receiving the result of Kanto Championship, the general manager Hidehito Ito of figure skating in Japan Skating Federation clarified that it was not this time.

    Interviewing after the board of directors of this day, he said, "According to the explanation of the training section, it was that, in the contents of her performance in Kanto Championship, she didn't reach to the level enough to designate to the certified skater for now. And it will be judged by the Higashi Nihon (eastern Japan) Championship in November".

    In the Kanto Championship which became her domestic official match after an interval of two years and 10 months, the contents of the performance of Ando had been lackluster together with SP and FS, such as committing a series of mistakes in the jumps and spins.
    Her total score 147.30 points was equivalent to the 10 place approx. in Japan Nationals of last year.

    The article:
    As for designating Miki Ando to the certified skater of JSF, it was not this time. (1/2)
    http://www.daily.co.jp/newsflash/general/2013/10/16/0006424206.shtml


    As for designating Miki Ando to the certified skater of JSF, it was not this time. (2/2)
    October 16th, 2013

    Ando aims at getting the qualify to participate to the Japan Nationals which is given to the player within 6 place in the Higashi Nihon (Eastern Japan) Championship (November, Gunma prefecture).

    It was found that Miki Ando was invited from International Competition "Ice Challenge" which is held in Austria, Graz in November. It seems to become the valuable field being able to experience the real match, on aiming at the Japan Nationals.

    The article:
    As for designating Miki Ando to the certified skater of JSF, it was not this time. (2/2)
    http://www.daily.co.jp/newsflash/general/2013/10/16/1p_0006424206.shtml
     
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  2. rosewood

    rosewood Whoa! Samurai battles!

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  3. Jeschke

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    japanese fed made their statement clear with not designating her; kinda funny, when we see results of yuki nishino as a designated skater, but we know that would happen. hope miki can kick their asses in improving extremly in her tes.

    i would like to have her back here in europe, but i don't know, if she needs more time to train than for competitions, hard to say. great, the international hosts want her, although japanese fed totally not :D
     
  4. jiejie

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    Question 1: Can anybody in Japan explain to me how the division between Tokyo Regional and Kanto Regional works (I understand the geography of the other regions).
    Question 2: Has Miki participated in Kanto in the past (vs Tokyo or other region) or is it considered less competitive so to her advantage to compete there?
     
  5. Akira Andrea

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    This is an article in "Sports Hochi" in Japan.
    Translating the excerpt of the article to English from Japanese.

    Japan Skating Federation approved that Miki Ando participate to the International Event
    October 16th

    In the board of directors in October 16th, Japan Skating Federation approved that Miki Ando participate to the International Event, "Ice Challenge" which is held in Graz in Austria in the end of November.
    The invitation letter from the said Event reached to JSF and Ando expressed the intention to participate.

    The article:
    Japan Skating Federation approved that Miki Ando participate to the International Event
    http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winter/news/20131016-OHT1T00122.htm
     
  6. Akira Andrea

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    Miki Ando had never participated to any regionals in the past. As for the regionals, the participation to the Kanto regionals in this time was the first experience for her.

    As the sectionals, she has ever participated to the Junior Nishi Nihon (Western Japan) Championship as the junior in 2002.
    But I think that she has never participated to the sectional competition as the senior Ladies, because the talent of Miki Ando in the figure skating excelled too much from the beginning. She didn't have to participate to the sectional competition at all.

    Reference
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miki_Ando
    http://www.weblio.jp/wkpja/content/安藤美姫_主な戦績
     
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  7. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Sasha

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    Is it sad that Miki has to go through all this. She is a two time world champion, and if she improves her stamina, she can be a medal threat at the Olympics. JSF is dead wrong in writing her off this early (at least that's how it came across to me).
     
  8. Spun Silver

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    She certainly has to set ego aside, but it is probably better that she work her way back up gradually than jump unprepared into the pressure of Nationals. Surely these small comps will help her do better when it counts. I am hopeful for her. True grit!
     
  9. Polymer Bob

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    I hope Miki can bounce back. :(
     
  10. hanca

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    I don't think they are writing her off. But if you look at her elements from this last competition, she is clearly not ready at this moment. I have a huge respect for her for having baby and then trying to come back and I would love to see her either at worlds or at Olympics, but only if she is ready. If she uses one spot out of three and then skates as bad as she skated now recently, that would be unfair towards whoever skater would be left back home, and it could also mean huge crash in her confidence. I wouldn't want her to go and then perhaps finish around 10-15 place. I don't think I would enjoy watching that, and I don't thinks she would enjoy that experience either.
     
  11. Vash01

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    I don't think she is taking away any spots with bad skates. She just needs to be allowed to compete at the Japanese nationals. If she skates poorly, the spot will go to someone else. My concern is - if I understand this correctly- that she will not be allowed to even compete at the Japanese nationals, based on just one competition, which was her first one after having a baby. I expect her to be in much better shape and give her competitors a run for their money, with her powerful jumps.
     
  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Ando has competed twice now -- Nebelhorn Trophy (Sept. 25-28) and Kanto Regional:
    ETA:
    Nebelhorn scores: 59.79 (SP), 103.07 (FS), 162.86 total/2nd
    Kanto scores: 56.25 (SP), 91.05 (FS), 147.30 total/1st
     
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  13. hanca

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    I know it may sound cruel, but Ando shouldn't be skating internationally while getting scores of 147.30. It will completely spoil her reputation and her the judges then will start marking her down. I watched the Nebelhorn Trophy and although she was 2nd, it was somehow careful, boring, dry, uninspiring, especially the FS... so if the Kanto competition was even worse than that, then it must have been pretty bad. (actually, it was pretty bad. Just have a look at the score sheet, posted in the Japanese thread).

    Her content:
    SP 56.25(TES 28.89/PCS 27.36) 3Lz-2Lo 3Lo< 2A
    FS 91.05(TES 39.45/PCS 51.60) 3Lz< 3Lo< 2A-2T 3S 3S-2T 2T(nearly fall) 2A

    Can you honestly say that you believe she deserved to be included on the team based on this competition? Would US lady or Russian lady with this content be included? Japanese Federation is not saying that they won't include her full stop. They are saying that it won't be at this moment.
     
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  14. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Generally speaking, skaters can have a different attitude/mindset and goals re. qualifying competitions vs. internationals. Skaters often just "do the minimum" (and conserve energy by not getting totally psyched up) in order to qualify/move on to to the next qualifying comp., so it's not really useful to compare Ando's scores in this case, IMO.
     
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    I agree, but then she can't be surprised that for what she has shown them they decided not to include her. It may have been her choice to conserve her energy, but there are consequences... But she won it, didn't she? So she will qualify for the higher qualifying round and if she wins that, she will get her chance at nationals and may be included on the team. I really wish it to her. I like the idea of her SP. "I'll do it my way". so fitting to her!
     
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    I don't know what the time of Miki's comeback is. She has only a very tiny chance to even make the Olympic team, and she has no hope of improving her previous Olympic best- 5th place. She already has had a great career and been to 2 Olympics. If she has some fantasies of an Olympic medal, they will remain so at this stage, a fantasy. Her chances for a medal were 2006 or 2010, but 2006 she blew and 2010 was too strong a competition for her in the end. 2014 she is not a contender even if she somehow makes it, which is very unlikely.

    Is it a personal journey thing like Witt in 94? Then I could see why she is back. Otherwise I just don't get it.
     
  17. hanca

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    Maybe challenge. Maybe just love for the sport. Can be lots of reasons.
     
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Thank you for introducing this post.
     
  20. NadineWhite

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    Interesting, thanks for the latest updates on Miki, Akiri Andrea. :)

    I've been a fan of hers since she debuted on the senior circuit in that red dress and big smile, with a quad to boot! :smokin: And it's been an amazing journey to see her transformation over the years. Here's to Miki overcoming her personal demons & obstacles put in her way and making it to Nationals and God willing to the Olympics. I'll be cheering her on! :cheer2:
     
  21. Akira Andrea

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    In Japan, there are 6 regional competitions, such as the 'Tohoku and Hokkaido' regionals, the Kanto regionals, the Tokyo regionals, the Chubu regionals, Kinki regionals and the 'Chugoku, Shikoku and Kyushu' regionals.

    The skaters who were selected in the regional competitions, such as the 'Hokkaido and Tohoku' regionals, the Kanto regionals and Tokyo regionals, participates to Higashi Nihon Championship.

    The skaters who were selected in the regional competitions, such as the Chubu regionals, the Kinki regionals and 'Chugoku, Shikoku and Kyushu' regionals, participates to Nishi Nihon Championship.

    The final result of Ladies of Tokyo Regional
    18 skaters participated and 14 skaters of the upper rank got the qualify of participation to Higashi Nihon Championship.
    (The spots of participation to Higashi Nihon Championship in the regional competition was decided by the results of last season.)
    The spots of Tokyo Regionals was 17, but 3 skaters (Yuki Nishino, Haruka Imai, Risa Shoji) among them were excempted the paticipation to this regionals for partcipating to the internatioanl competition.

    http://www.jsfresults.com/National/2013-2014/fs_j/block3/data0290.htm

    The final result of ladies of Kanto Regionals
    5 skaters participated and 5 skaters got the qualify of participation to Higashi Nihon Championship.
    In this year, the whole skaters got the qualify because the participant didn't fill the spots 7 in this regionals.
    http://www.jsfresults.com/National/2013-2014/fs_j/block2/data0290.htm
     
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  22. rosewood

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    Yuki Nishino placed 7th at Japan Nats 2012(her TES of FS was 50.66) and she won the designation. So she can start her season at her own pace, even slowly, since she's proven her level already. It is the same in the case of Kanako. She bombed at Japan Open but nobody says she should not be designated as a "special designated skater".(Nishino is designated as "designated skater A", lower level than Kanako.) But the story is defferent in the case of Miki. She announced her comeback after JSF announced the list of the designated skaters. So she should have proven her level is good enough to be designated at her tryout, Kanto Regional. Even though she was not good enough to be designated, she won through the Regional. So the next thing she should/can do is to skate good enough to win through the East Japan Sectional. I think the hurdle is not very much high for her. Since to win through East Japan Sectional is much easier than to win through West Japan Sectional. I hope she try her best to appear at Japan Nats without depending on the special treatment by JSF. Otherwise she won't be accepted as the worthy skater by other Japanese skaters, coaches or even ordinary people when she gets the spot for Japan Nats(or the Olympics).

    As for JSF, multiple articles said Miki is pushed/supported officially and privately by some vip members of JSF. One of the articles suggested the name of one of them by calling "Ms.S". This is my guess but Ms.S indicates Noriko Shirota. Shirota used to be called as "Empress of JSF". She was dismissed from JSF for the reason of embezzling money from JSF. She made her comeback to JSF as a external member just before Vancouver Olympics and stayed there as a selective supporter for just two out of the six single skaters, those two were Miki and Oda. Anyways, whoever the vip members are, presumably Miki is pushed by some of the JFS members. The information makes it easier to understand why Miki was on the unofficial waiting list and then invited by German Federation even though JFS said they didn't know about the invitation at all at the beginning. Some membes knew but the others didn't know. I've never heard that any Japanese skater out of the international pool participated in an international competition for the reason of invitation and JSF accepted the participation. So don't worry, Jeschke. She is treated as more than a vip skater ever by (some members of) JFS. ;)

    Aside from joking, I really hope Miki would be in better shape at her next competition. After all I hope she would be satisfied with her final season and say "sayonara and arigato" to everybody with a wonderful simile.
     
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    thanks for your lang answer rosewood :D

    i hope, miki will leave the stage with that wonderful smile too.

    http://instagram.com/p/fjrEooF_K1/#
     
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    That was really funny. She was saying "konichiwa" (hello) to the bird, who apparently wasn't too impressed. Is it me, or does she look so much happier both on and off ice these days? I feel like she will be able be to walk away from this season with a smile no matter what, just knowing she has tried her best -- even if her best wasn't enough to get to the Olympics again. Although of course I do hope that she makes it Sochi. She looks as good as Murakami right now. Go, Miki!
     
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    That is a very interesting and open interview, thank you!
     
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    Good luck, Miki! :)
     
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    Thanks for the additional information. But what I really wanted to know was how the boundaries are drawn between the Tokyo Regional and the Kanto Regional. Are skaters at Tokyo Regional based in training rinks in the central city, and Kanto Regional is from everything in the outlying Tokyo districts, and non-Tokyo parts of Kanto? Is Tokyo Regional considered "more difficult" (= more competition) than Kanto, and is it easy for a skater to switch from Tokyo to Kanto to better their chances of moving to the Higashi Nihon?
     
  29. Akira Andrea

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    According to the implementation guidance, the participation qualification person to Tokyo Regionals is the person who was registered to JSF from Tokyo Skating Union.
    According to the implementation guidance, the participation qualification person to Kanto Regionals is the person who was registered to JSF from the local federation of 8 prefectures, such as Ibaraki, Tochigi, Gunma, Saitama, Chiba, Kanagawa, Yamanashi, Nagano.

    Being general, the skater registers to JSF via the local federation in the area where he/she is living.
    Therefore, I think that he/she can easily make the region switch, by making the address move to the area of local federation where he/she hopes to move to.

    As for Kanto Regionals, the participants doesn't often fill the capacity and the possibility that all the members pass is high compared with Tokyo Regionals.
    Because there are many participants in Tokyo Regionals, the competitive rate of Tokyo Regionals is high a little and may be a high barrier somewhat for the beginner who is low skill.
    As for Tokyo Regionals in this season, 14 participants among 18 participants advanced to Higashi Nihon Sectionals.
    Tokyo Regionals had 17 spots contained to 3 skaters who was exempted the participation for participating to International competition, such as Nishino, Imai,and Shoji).

    As for Kanto Regionals, all 5 participants advanced to Higashi Nihon Sectionals.
    Kanto Regions had 7 spots.
     
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  30. hanca

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    It's interesting. So she is not on their national team which means that Japanese Federation can't send her to international competitions, but she was invited by German Federation to compete at Nebelhorn Trophy and therefore could compete (even without being at national team). And at the end of November Miki is invited to compete at Ice Challenge in Graz, Austria, so she will again compete there without being at the national team. Why do we worry about her not being at the national team? It is obvious that she is able to get around that and compete internationally anyway.