Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jan 15, 2013.
This is just horrible. All my best to Alissa for a full recovery.
She may have hurt herself trying to make an Olympics, but it's not a total loss. She has pairs experience for coaching and testing. That's good.
She's a lovely and graceful skater and a beautiful representative of this sport. I wish her the best and hope to see her skate many more times, whether for the United States or for herself.
The initial reports sounded much more devastating. What a relief! I hope for the very best for her and I hope that, whatever she chooses to do next, she's happy.
I wouldn't call NNN's pairs stint a total waste of time. I'm sure she was happy to be able to compete on the national stage again, and she and Themi gave us some great performances (not to mention winning a bronze at Skate America and Nationals in the 2006-2007 season). I'm sure NNN is happy she gave it a shot and has no regrets.
All of that Pairs skating Tatiana Totmianina and Maxim Marinin did was just an attempt to get on an Olympic team after no longer being competitive in singles. Oh, wait...
I think it's up to NNN to determine whether a few years of pairs experience was worth the attempt.
Not Alissa, but an article about another athlete undergoing surgery for a torn hip labrum.
Ouch, ouch, ouch! Even reading about it makes me cringe. I've had 3 hip surgeries, one of which left me in Critical Care for a week and I almost died. It sounds as if she can recover from this and be functional but not competitive. I certainly hope so. I would certainly worry about a repetition. A shame, such a lovely skater.
I hope she recovers, but doesn't push things too hard. She has a lovely presence on the ice.
Well, I'm really happy to read that this incident was not as serious as it originally sounded. That's a relief! Wishing Alissa a full recovery.
If she does decide to return to competitive skating, I hope she takes a very cautious approach. A dislocation is one thing, but surgical repair of a torn hip labrum is serious. She is such a beautiful skater. I hope she is able to continue skating. Period. Competing will indeed be the cherry on the sundae.
Very sad! Hope Alissa gets a full recovery. I will miss watching her at the US Nationals.
This is quite sad. I can't even imagine how it must feel - to finally be healed and ready to compete again after such a long period off the ice, and then something like this. At least good to know that it's not as bad as it seemed at first.
I was really in a snarky mood when I posted this. My apologies to IceAlisa.
She looked fine in the competition before she was hurt. Her sp was lovely and up until the injury her fs was nice. The jumps seemed allright. She could have had a chance at Worlds this year again with surely a better result than last year. The vids on YouTube:
Let's hope and pray she will be well soon and try again next year. You never know what happens, sometimes results are better than you expected.
Some of us are just being realistic.
I do hope I am wrong because I would absolutely love to see Czisny compete in Sochi but two injuries on the same hip...
Yes, that. Not saying it's impossible, because you never know, but if I were a betting man...
At least if the injury turns out to be less severe than expected, it'll be 10 months before she'd have to compete again (or maybe she'll do a summer event).
Found an article from 2006...... Funny how somethings just don't change.
Thank you, great article. It makes me furious when people say the sport isn't "progressing." At what cost to a skater's body should the sport progress?
Didn't Kimmie skate with a hinged boot, and she had major problems with it?
I saw a lot of people recording those programs. Does anyone have the full long program video?
You want to see her fall and lay on the ice until someone comes out and helps? That's the only thing different on the "full" video from the cut one. I'm guessing that all the other people taping also are showing tact by not posting that either.
um...Alissa was injured at Worlds last year...although she did not know it. her hip was already torn. if she was skating as well in practices a as people said I would like to think a spot on the world team would not have been out of the question. especially if she were National Champion
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing the fall, just from clinical standpoint. I've never seen a figure skating fall that caused a hip dislocation before as hip dislocations are generally a rare sports injury. So professionally speaking, I'd like to see the mechanics. An animation of the fall would work too, even better but I doubt it exists.
My guess is that it wasn't the actual FALL, but rather the initial IMPACT (i.e. the landing) that caused the injury. She may or may not have fallen otherwise, but once the hip dislocated, a fall (that she wouldn't get up from) was inevitable.
ETA: of course, no way to know for sure without actually seeing up close and in slow-mo the sequence of events.
Frequently, it is caused by the hip muscles not being strong enough to keep the ball of the hip in the socket. A hard impact usually causes the dislocation.
I saw the video before it was removed/edited. The fall happened pretty far across the rink and there wasn't anything that stood out iirc aside from her not getting up (at least not from that distance).
I feel bad for Alissa but it wouldn't be untactful to show the whole video. There are videos all over youtube of skaters/athletes getting injured. Is that untactful? Is anyone going to complain and have them removed? Competitions happen in a public setting, not in the athlete's private home.
I already saw the original video and you couldn't even see anything because the video was so bad. It just looked like a regular fall.
In other words, she fell BECAUSE her hip dislocated. Terrible.
Sometimes people fall because their bone gives way, as in pathologic fractures that can be the result of cancer metastasis or osteoporosis.
The hip ligaments (reading its capsule) and the articulation's configuration (congruency) are responsible for the major part of its stability. The hip is the most stable joint in the human bodu. Frail old ladies may fall hard on their hip and get a fracture, no dislocation even though they have not much muscle mass...
Totally agree. There was very little to see from so far away. I hope someone on her team was doing a recording... Just so SHE could see it.
I am very glad they took it down. There was imo nothing to be gleaned from it... Just ghoulish curiosity satisfaction.
Well, putting in my two cents. I used to be super flexible, I had an I position on both legs, which basically was pulling my legs out of the sockets. When I hit late 30s I lost most of it, but thank god. Alissa is super flexible, her I spins if they aren't pulling that leg from her hip, well, she's superhuman. Eventually age creeps up on you. I'd venture to guess her femur can very easily be displaced. Mine were. If she does come back, I'd no longer expect an I spin and her spirals will also lose the amplitude. I wish to her not just a speedy recovery, but maybe a realization that she's no longer young enough to consistently contort her body without ramifications. It happens to the best of us.