Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by joemauerlover, Oct 29, 2012.
Via @SarahandDrew's Twitter yesterday: "Heard from Alissa - she says she appreciates the support. "
Thx for the info. Still feels young.
Anyway, on topic, I still feel sad thinking of Alissa, I had looked forward to see her have a great comeback from injury at nationals
Alissa Czisny has officially withdrawn from Nationals - press release: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=48878&type=media
(((Alissa and Alissa fans)))
They did not mention another surgery in this article, so maybe that is good news? (Or maybe it's just wishful thinking? )
USFS' press releases usually contain a minimum amount of info. If a Czisny article shows up with new information and/or direct quotes, a new/separate thread probably should be started in GSD.
Jason and Yuka's decision to enter her in a competition before Nationals and/or compete at all with an unstable hip makes me question their judgment. There are other skaters who they have coached in the past for whom their decisions around physical status, IMO are circumspect.
A lot of skaters test their programs to get feed back on their levels. Alissa used to always do a summer event before the GPs besides Champs Camp, so I don't think this has anything to do with her coaching situation.
??? circumspect = cautious, prudent, or discreet
Remember that Alissa Czisny told Phil Hersh after her WD from NHK Trophy in November that she was hoping to compete once before Nationals:
I don't think Alissa had anything to gain by skating this season. She is respected internationally as well as at home and even taking the year off she still would have had a chance to make it to Sochi if she got it together. Even after the disaster at Worlds this year if she came out with guns blazing next season she would get big scores being as she's so well known and liked as a skater. So taking an extra few months off might have been the thing to do. Of course if a hip is going to go out it probably would have at some pont next season so who knows.
The Monday morning quarterbacks can postulate all they want. Clearly, she felt she was ready. The programs were well choreographed and she's obviously been skating them. None of you know why her hip dislocated. You aren't her physician, haven't seen the CT scan or even know if this injury was a direct consequence of her previous injury. It was her choice to skate.
Oh dear, what sad news. Wishing Alissa the best for a full recovery and happy future.
I wonder why she felt compelled to compete so quickly.
Because she felt she was ready?
23rd Annual Fox Cities Invitational Results (6.0 judging)
Senior Ladies Championship
Standings for the Short Program
Place Name 1 2 3 4 5 Maj. Tie Br. FP
1. Alissa Czisny, Detroit SC 1 1 1 1 1 5/1 0.5
2. Rachel Lenz, Valley FSC 2 2 2 2 2 5/2 1.0
Last Updated: Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 07:31AM (Competition local time)
There were national and international judges on hand to provide IJS feedback to Czisny.
Why? Most athletes want to get back out there as soon as they feel able- it's just their competitive nature. Same reason she went to worlds, same reason Flatt competed with injury, etc.
And because she wanted to get both programs out in front of an audience and judges for feedback? And because she felt ready.
Are you serious? Hindsight is 20/20. Perhaps she felt ready and strong, how would you know she didn't? Perhaps her physicians had cleared her to skate, which is very likely. I don't see her skating in spite of physician orders. However, surgery does distabilze the hip pretty much forever so this injury could have happened now or a year from now. Do you have any evidence that these extra months off would have made a difference?
And she competed in a OBO event as well?
Small club competitions in the U.S. often use majority ordinal judging (6.0, not OBO), plus this is considered "off-season." As I posted above, there were national and international judges on hand to give Czisny feedback on her programs.
Aaaaaaand the drama gets going again. *Sigh* Guys, no need to get on each other's cases over people's opinions of Alissa's decisions. I think we've all seen these situations enough times to know that fan opinion is merely speculation and that no amount of law school, business school, med school, psych training, skating training or, for that matter, competence in dealing with others, is required to be all-knowing in skating.
We do not know what went on.
The sad truth is, everybody's different and has a different response to injury.
I hear all the time, both professionally and in University setting: "Oh, such and such pianist got tendinitis because of bad technique; such and such singer performed too much and did not rest enough and is now ruined". The bottom line is, sometimes it is true and preventable by proper maintenance, sometimes it is just bad luck and body structure. And nobody on the outside ( or sometimes even on the inside) can truly know. Any reason Yagudin could not continue past 2002 and Plushenko is still going? Not really. Body structure. Daily decisions. Most of all- O Fortuna.
sk9tingfan probably meant to say "suspicious".
What the hell am I gonna do with all this asparagus?!?!!
Screw the skate gods!!! They ain't gettin' any!!!!
I knew this was coming but seeing it in print still makes me sad
Yagudin had a congenital defect.
I believe the first half of Czisny's FS included music from "Ice Palace Suite" (derived from the score of the 1960 film, Ice Palace) composed by Max Steiner, who also composed the score for GWTW.
I thought Czisny merely declined to announce her music before Nationals - from the Jan. 3rd article: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130103&content_id=40838336&vkey=ice_news
"My long program is choreographed by Marina Zoueva, and I really enjoy skating this program! (Author's note: Czisny hasn't announced her free skate music yet, and she wants to try to keep it quiet until the U.S. championships.)"
Alissa (or her team...) is incredibly classy- I already have a short but gracious reply in my inbox thanking me for my well wishes. That is an extremely fast response (she -or someone- has always replied to messages from her website, but I never expected less than 24 hour turn around)
Me, too. I really hope good fortune shines on her. To think what she has been through, and now, if she is able to return in the future, go through it all again.
Me three. Wishing her all the best whatever the future holds.