Another Duggar baby is on the way!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by ilovepaydays, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. ilovepaydays

    ilovepaydays Well-Known Member

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  2. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I'm not - living with the human clown car doesn't really make marriage seem like a positive, especially for the girls. The older ones have already experienced everything about being parents except giving birth anyway.
  3. milanessa

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    I'm not either. I don't think marrying young ( at least younger than 21) is particularly part of what they do. Haven't some of the girls expressed an interest in college?
  4. PDilemma

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    A lot of the superstar families of the patriarchy movement seem to not be in any hurry to marry off their daughters. See the Botkin sisters for an example.
  5. Whitneyskates

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    Josh's wife was 20 when she got married, so marrying young is what they do. However, from what I've seen on the show, none of the girls, with exception of a couple, seem all that into kids and marriage. Who could blame them? And beisdes, If the older girls got married, that would mean Michelle would actually have to take care of her own children.

    As for college, they've all expressed interest (Josh wants to go law school!! :lol:) but with their low level of education, college isn't happening, at least not a real one. They were doing some kind of promotion for a program called CollegePlus, it was some kind of online course and testing program that wasn't accredited. I remember on one of their specials, or one maybe an episode of the show, Jim Bob actually said that he wouldn't pay for any of his children to go to college, because he thought it was a "waste of money".

    Anyway, congrats to Josh and Anna. I hope she doesn't have to deliver this one on the toilet, with a camera crew in her face and her husband asleep on the couch.
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  6. milanessa

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    One example proves your point?

    I'm often puzzled by the refusal of some to just live and let live. They seem happy enough no matter the life they're leading.
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  7. Whitneyskates

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    No it doesn't, but I have read enough about their "religion" (a brand of christianity created by a man named Bill Gothard, which I found out about before I heard of the Duggars) highly encourages young marriages. A lot of what Gothard teaches his followers to believe is down right creepy.

    And I'm all about live and let live, but this family has put every moment of their life on display for the past decade, so they opened their lives up for comments and yes, ridicule. And it's not like live and let live is not something the Duggars practice, considering Michelle left her baby in NICU to protest a gas station that wanted to sell allcohol, and they routinely protest against anything having to do with being pro-choice or LGBT rights.
  8. PDilemma

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    Wish I could rep you. The Duggars are very much part of Gothard's movement and have connections to others like Vision Forum and the Botkins. It is scary stuff and deeply patriarchal and misogynistic. They have successfully put a really shiny coat of glossy paint on it to sell to the masses.
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  9. milanessa

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    Okay.
  10. algonquin

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    Is this show still on?
  11. my little pony

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    i just saw in EW they filmed a special in asia. it said something like the duggars cant understand why the japanese take their shoes off to eat and the japanese cant understand why michelle treats her uterus like a magician's hat.
  12. skatesindreams

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    The Duggar's aren't interested in "glorifying" anything other than their own lifestyle and bank account.
    After all these years, what else do they have to say?
    Enough, already.
  13. skateboy

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    I find them gross.
  14. Prancer

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    IME with this particular type of Christianity, young marriage is the norm. Otherwise, the youngins might engage in premarital relations.

    However, there are two problems there--one is that there is a perpetual shortage of young and godly men (a problem for religious women of all kinds who want to marry within their faiths; young men in general are not religious) and two is that the godly young men have to be in a financial position to support a wife and children, which narrows the field even more.

    It is ironic and rather sad that this is a common problem in religions that pretty much restrict women to the roles of wife and mother. And life can be very sad indeed for the women who don't marry.

    As for college--highly unlikely as long as they are living at home. College is considered a primary source of leading the young astray. Community college is sometimes acceptable (but only sometimes). Trade school is usually okay--there are no gen eds.
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    If they went to college, it would only be to a school that reinforces their belief system.
    There would be very few opportunities for real learning/exposure to new ideas.
  17. heckles

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    Within the Quiverfull movement, there's a segment of daughters who delay marriage because they're expected to help raise all their younger siblings. They're called "stay-at-home daughters."
  18. milanessa

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    I'm not advocating for their lifestyle. I just don't understand the contempt for it. Once again, live and let live.
  19. PDilemma

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    Sort of. Not quite. The label is about not going out into the world but rather always remaining under the roof and "protection" of a man--either a father or husband. Marriage is the ultimate goal and those espousing the movement generally believe that being in their parents' house caring for younger siblings and keeping house are the only preparation for a future that a woman needs. There is no assumption or expectation that the younger daughters in a family would be allowed to leave for college or independent lives, either.

    Another informative article on the theology and ideals behind it:

    http://bitchmagazine.org/article/house-proud
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  20. skatesindreams

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    It's a return to the pre-20th century view of the purpose/position of women in society..
    I'd be more accepting of "live and let live"; if these "believers" didn't proselytize so fervently, in an attempt to force their beliefs on others.

    It also disturbs me that these people don't have/are not allowed access to other information/ways of thinking; so that "choice" really does not exist for them.
  21. heckles

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    I'd be more accepting of intentional mass reproduction if its practitioners were more attractive.
  22. mag

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    This is what bothers me. They aren't live and let live. If you are male, you have some choices, but the women have none.
    I have no problem with women or men who make the informed choice to stay home with their kids, but that is not what is happening here.
  23. modern_muslimah

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    Lots of religious movements proselytize. Why does this annoy you (general you, not you specifically)? They can proselytize and we can decide to accept or reject their message. As for them getting outside information and not being able to make a "choice", I highly doubt they don't know anything about people outside their religious group. Even if they are exposed to various views, would that guarantee that they would reject the Quiverfull ideology? I don't accept their ideology but I don't get the hand wringing over it.

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  24. Prancer

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    ^This. The idea that someone talking about their beliefs to other is an attempt to force it on others is completely :confused:. Everyone here posts about personal beliefs all the time--including their belief that proselytizing is wrong. Are all of you who say that trying to force your beliefs down other people's throats? How dare you!

    The only place I ever hear about the Duggars is here--and it's not because the Duggars are here, forcing me to read about them. Even if they were here, I have a scroll button. It seems to me that if you want to avoid their beliefs, it's easy to do. Instead, a lot of people seem to seek them out while at the same time blaming the Duggars for daring to put their beliefs out there in public--unlike, say, people who comment on those beliefs on public messageboards.

    They can walk out the door. It's hard to do and there are consequences, but it can be done and has been done and is done. There are consequences to staying as well.

    As for their being informed, do you really think it would be possible to so shelter the girls that they would not understand that there are women who make other choices? In spite of, say, Michelle having had at least one female OB that I know of, and all the women who work in all the places they visit (visited?) for their TV show? They do go out in public. They have relatives who do not follow their beliefs. They see the world, even if they are sheltered from it. I guarantee you that they know perfectly well that they are different from most people and that they know there have been people who have walked away and do understand that it is possible.
  25. heckles

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    Eh, I don't think the female OB is all that progressive. Could be that Michelle or her husband believe that another man shouldn't touch her there. There are many online discussions as to whether Christian women can use male OBs, oddly enough. They tend to make the point that there are female midwives in the Old Testament.
  26. Prancer

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    Yes? And this has what to do with whether or not the Duggar girls realize that women can do things other than stay home and raise children?
  27. heckles

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    You cited the female OB. Feel free to wowed if you want. That don't impress me much.
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    You don't understand contempt for patriarchy and misogyny? Really?

    The problem with 'live and let live' is that the Duggars aren't letting their daughters live but treat them as slaves and incubators.
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  31. Prancer

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    I cited the female OB as one instance in which the Duggar girls would be exposed to a working woman who did something besides stay home with children. I did not cite the female OB as an example of progressive thinking or as something that wows me.

    Feel free to pretend you didn't know that and weren't just looking for an excuse to post your link...unless, of course, you think I am giving you too much credit for comprehending what you read.
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    It's understandable that some women choose female OBs, but this preacher guy is totally jellin' on male OBs. Because nothing's hotter than a pap test. :lol:
  33. skatesindreams

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    I don't "hand-wring" about it.
    However, it still disturbs me.

    Of course, all faiths "spread the word"/proselytize in one way or another.
    However, I would think that the "example of life" approach would be more effective than one based on fear or ignorance about the world; and beliefs other than one's own.
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    Wait, so your problem with proselytizing is that it's not effective enough? :)
  35. skatesindreams

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    No. I don't like proselytizing, in the usual sense, at all.
  36. MacMadame

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    I don't understand why this is news. Two married people the age married people have kids are having a 3rd child. They don't have any health problems or genetic problems that would make having a kid be a bad idea. They don't have 10 kids already. They aren't expecting sextuplets. The pregnant one isn't really a man.

    It's completely a non-event in every way.

    P.S. Yesterday I sneezed.
  37. Skittl1321

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    They are famous for nothing. Just like half the "celebrities" these days. We have to hear all about when they are pregnant too.

    I don't really care you sneezed. But do you know if Kim Kardashian did? That would be news!! :rolleyes:
  38. Rex

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    Wow. I thought this was Michelle Duggar. I'm like, give that money-maker a rest, why dontcha?
  39. Zemgirl

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    You know, I think only a couple of my friends were even married at 24, and nobody I know who's my age had kids in their mid-twenties; everyone was focused on school and career and relationships. So for me if someone I know is having baby no. 3 at age 24, that's probably gossip worthy.

    It is not, however, newsworthy.
  40. PDilemma

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    This. Anyone I know (in my circle of peers) who had a baby before age 30 had an accident. Seriously. Even my friend who is pregnant with number seven didn't marry until 29 and didn't start having kids until she was 33. It is a bit outside the norm these days.