Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by PeterG, Mar 30, 2011.
The new AI thread:
You seem to be the one putting words into people's mouths. Who were the people who had high expectations for Lauren and other kids connecting to the songs? I seem to recall most people here were apprehensive about how the younger ones would do and thought they weren't ready. And you seemed to be putting more words into people's mouths when you said people were ignoring good vocals and thinking Lauren was bad just because they didn't think she connected to the song. Who are all these people saying that Lauren was "bad" and "can't sing well" despite good vocals? The gist of your post was that people should not care a whole heck of a lot about Lauren connecting to the song because she sings so well. I disagree. I want better connection to the songs and I don't think she sings as well as you seem to think she does, whether or not we use Carrie and Kelly as the standard.
And I think the reason people are focusing on whether the contestants are connecting with the songs is because we have so many contestants who seem to have that problem this season. We've got a lot of contestants who just seem to be trying to fit any and every song into the same cookie cutter week after week and sound the same regardless of the song. You don't care about that and that's fine. Others obviously do care, and that's fine, too.
Oy vey, I should have known better than to respond (and yet I do it again). I am not going to find a specific post of someone's high expectations of Lauren or other younger contestants connecting to the songs. I simply made that connection based on the fact that SO MANY PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING this season. You are not going to convince me that this season we have more people who aren't connected to the music. It is the same as every single season, some connect, some do ok, some can't do it at all. It just seems to be the center of focus and so I connected the dots and figure that with so many young contestants, maybe expectations were a little too high.
I can't get any more specific than this:
I'm obviously not going to convince you. But, it happens to be my opinion that we do have a larger number of people this season who are not connected to the music. I don't think we have anyone this season who is particularly great with their phrasing and really connected to the songs, and there are so many who are being so persistent at doing the same thing every week with every song. I wonder if this is the result of bringing in Interscope and their producers or the return of Nigel. I miss Crystal, Kris, Adam, and Cookie
And that comment was specifically about being oblivious to the meaning of the lyrics. Not saying that she's really pitchy or has a terrible tone and therefore cant' sing or anything like that. People are not oblivious to the fact that she can sing. They just are aware that she doesn't seem to have much clue what the songs are about and, unlike you, that has a significant impact on their assessment of her.
Not going to belabor the point, but to me Lauren's disconnect from the lyrics was so glaring that it outweighed the vocal (which was only OK anyway). It was as bad as if a skater did a tango-theme program, with typical tango movements and choreography, to a waltz.