American Idol, Season 13

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by PeterG, Jan 16, 2014.

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Who Have You Purchased Singles or Albums From On This List?

  1. Adam Lambert

    27 vote(s)
    40.9%
  2. Carrie Underwood

    29 vote(s)
    43.9%
  3. Clay Aiken

    22 vote(s)
    33.3%
  4. David Cook

    22 vote(s)
    33.3%
  5. Daughtry

    16 vote(s)
    24.2%
  6. Fantasia

    7 vote(s)
    10.6%
  7. Jennifer Hudson

    13 vote(s)
    19.7%
  8. Jordin Sparks

    9 vote(s)
    13.6%
  9. Kellie Pickler

    8 vote(s)
    12.1%
  10. Kelly Clarkson

    48 vote(s)
    72.7%
  11. Ruben Studdard

    6 vote(s)
    9.1%
  12. Scotty McCreery

    2 vote(s)
    3.0%
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  1. Allskate

    Allskate Well-Known Member

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    ITA. This guy chose to have two kids by the age of 20. Now he can suck it up and actually parent them. I think the judges have the attitude they do because it helps them rationalize their own choices to be away from their kids. Keith was the one who was basically saying that this guy needed to be away from his family to support them. Keith is a very wealth man. He could retire today and live well for the rest of his life. But, how many days per year is away from his kids? Does he rationalize it by saying that he needs to make the money to pay for the kids' horses and nanny?
  2. moebius

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    There could be several possible reasons why Keith choose to be on the road. 1. He needs the money to support his wealthy lifestyle. 2. He loves performing for his fans. 3. He wants a break from his kids. I know some women at work, whose husbands make enough for the entire family choose to work because they want to get away from their kids. Sometimes, raising kids is harder than your dayjob.
  3. Allskate

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    Keith doesn't "need" the money. I'm sure artists love performing. And, yes, raising kids is hard work and some people want to get away from their kids. But, being away for 300 days per year is being an absentee parent. It's not the same thing as having a day job. Both that contestant and Keith have obligations to their kids. And those obligations include more than putting food on the table (or a mansion over their head). They include actually parenting their kids.
  4. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    So all active deployed military, professional athletes, merchant marines, astronauts, climate researchers, archaeologists, etc. are to be classified as absentee parents? There are many jobs that need to get done that require that people be away for extended periods of time every year. If everyone stayed close to home to parent, we would notice.
  5. taf2002

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    Good answer. I don't think we need to be judgemental of stranger's life choices. My BIL was a long distance trunk driver who could have taken a local truck driving job & been home every night. He didn't because he loved his job & it made more money.

    As for having 2 kids by age 20, what they showed of his background suggests that he lives in a depressed area where that is probably the norm. Anyway, it's not for us to decide if it was a good idea for him to have 2 kids. At least he doesn't appear to be using public funds to support them & he definitely is trying to do all he can to give them a good life. They didn't reveal where the mother of the kids were. I imagine if she had died they would have told us so she maybe she's a druggie or she abandoned them or something that wouldn't play well on TV.
  6. Allskate

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    Few of those jobs entail being away 300 days a year, and at least they are paying the bills. When a parent is gone over 80% of the year that's being quite absent! Most of these jobs are not comparable to being a traveling musician who doesn't seem to be earning enough to support his family himself.

    As for being judgmental, Peter was pointing out that the judges were judging the contestant's decisions in a positive way. He was responding to their judgments and I'm weighing in. (In case you haven't noticed, that's the kind of thing we do on FSU.) Sorry, but I don't think there's anything great about a parent who is gone for such a huge percentage of a kid's young childhood and isn't even able to pay the bills as a result. The guy loves performing, and maybe he doesn't like being around two small kids. I certainly can understand that. But I see nothing about his choices to be lauded.
  7. Aceon6

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    Everyone sees the world differently. Where I work, we have a large number of people who never see their kids awake during the week, and a few with 2nd jobs that limit their time with their kids on the weekends. If I understand what you're saying, it's that Keith has a choice on that.
  8. altai_rose

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    Yup, I also see lots of people who are quite absent in their kids' lives, and it's fine. For myself, I didn't see my parents for 3 years growing up and was raised by my grandparents--a quite typical scenario for kids in the 80s in China whose parents studied in the US. I think I turned out okay. ;)

    I doubt this contestant expects to be a traveling musician for his kids' entire childhood.
  9. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    I just finished watching Thursday's episode. My favourite was Tyler Marshall - Proud Mary.

    One thing they showed in the sneak previews was group rounds and there was a parent arguing with one of the young women in her daughter's group. That would really piss me off if I was a contestant. If there's someone under the age limit that requires a parent to be with them, I think the parent should be there in a silent capacity. Unless someone is abusing their child, but if a group is arguing over how things should be done, parents should keep their traps shut!
  10. uyeahu

    uyeahu Agitator. Sharpie lover (figuratively speaking).

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    I have watched American Idol in ages, but I too find myself being drawn back to it by Harry Connick, Jr.'s presence. And I like Keith Urban as well. I haven't started watching yet, but I'll be marathoning it at some point. I hope the changes are met with an improvement in ratings.
  11. BaileyCatts

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    Totally agree! I understand that parents have to be present if the contestant is a minor, but they should be completely BARRED from interfering in anything related to the actual contest. And once that parent starts interfering, their spoiled little brat should be kicked out of the contest as punishment! Oh right, I forgot .... they don't know what punishment is so that wouldn't work, would it. Once that parent interferes, it completely turns me off to that contestant as well and if they end up in the Final 10 (which usually they don't since those kids are usually just not that good) I'll be voting like a tweenager to get that brat voted off!. :p
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  12. jenny12

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    I wasn't going to watch this season, but I came across it and liked that they seem to be highlighting more strong contestants. Also, enjoy all the judges this season as well!
  13. skatesindreams

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    I liked him.
    However, I hope that he doesn't "oversing" when he shouldn't
  14. PeterG

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  15. BaileyCatts

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    I love the new cut round! Clears out some of the dead wood before we even get to Hollywood. Especially since those people would not have made it anyway, just clear them out now.

    Still don't know anyone well enough to know their names though, so can't really comment on them. I did like the guy who played keyboard and sang "Say Something" (and on a side note ... maybe someone can explain the meaning of that that song to me because I totally don't get the meaning ... say something I'm breaking up with you ... so the guy is breaking up with her and she won't respond? I don't get the words, and I like to get the words). :p

    And I still hate how they do the Group Rounds! I don't like how they just tell them "go make a group". Because its still the snotty people controlling who will and won't be in their group. They should do some kind of random draw for the groups. Because the little divas who throw their tantrums will still get cut any way. But I admire the guy who was sick and was losing his voice and quit now versus messing up his group. Unlike the little diva who was also sick but instead said 'I won't rehearse and I will decide right before we go if I will sing'. Beyoth. And like how are the others in your group supposed to practice around that? You could still at least be there and do the choreo and practice your parts in your head or something. Totally hope she gets cut.

    Now ..... how to deal with the next two weeks and the Olympics. Of course the Olympics wins that fight, but I might not catch up until after the O's are over.
  16. Aceon6

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    They tried assigning groups last year. There was a lot of flak because the chosen ones were clearly assigned with competent group mates and the "could be interesting" people got what was left.
  17. taf2002

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    I don't remember it that way. I thought it was a really good way to do it. Wasn't it a random draw? And it breaks up the kind of groups like those Austin 4 who decided to make a group months ago & now have a huge advantage.
  18. Aceon6

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    IIRC, the producers called people up. I didn't get any sense that it was random as it was fairly obvious that they weren't saddling their favorites with any losers and their "good TV" folks all got people who would create drama. I read it as a set up.
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    I agree, some people just don't have the personality to go around and beg to be in a group. I would hate that. I think two people were sent homw who really should have been sent though. They were better than the group. I don't really understand group week except to get rid of a bunch of people all at once.

    I would be more selective before Hollywood.
  21. PeterG

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    Some of my favourites from last week:

    Majesty Rose: "One Two Three Four"

    Spencer Lloyd: Say Something

    Keri Lynn Roche - "Radioactive" and "I'd Rather Go Blind"

    I liked Spencer a little less during the group day as he seemed a bit smug and diva-ish. He has the ability to hide that well, because nobody called him on it.

    The group day lets the judges (and producers, probably) see which kids play well with others. Although this is a soloist competion, you want contestants who work well with each other...and can do so quickly and efficiently. A large group of people need to work together to bring as many as thirty new songs to this show every week. You need people who are quick and who are co-operative. Group day gets rid of the indecisive, the weak and the divas. Plus it gets rid of the stupid. Everybody knows there is a group day. When you're auditioning six months before group day, you should be reaching out to people and planning your group right then. Anyone who waits for the "okay everybody, find a group for tomorrow's group day!" announcement is terminally docile and has no right to stay another day.

    That is all. :lol:
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  22. shan

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    I wouldn't be waiting until the announcement, but maybe some people are afraid they'll jinx themselves if they plan too far in advance. :)
  23. taf2002

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    And what if they plan in advance & then their group members get cut? Or sick?
  24. PeterG

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    Back-up plan B.

    Back-up plan C.

    Back-up plan D.

    Do you want to win this season or what, taf???

    :p
  25. Aceon6

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    I still remember Ruben Studdard saying that he made sure he learned the words to the Top 10 from every year from 1964 through 2000 before hitting Hollywood. Sure, he already knew a lot of the songs, but they didn't call him "human jukebox" for nothing.
  26. taf2002

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    Now this is something you can plan in advance & very smart. So many of the contestants get there & know the words to so few songs, even current ones. I still like the groups put together by the producers after there is more people cut. There was still too many marginal ones left for group round. If more of the deadwood was cut it wouldn't matter so much who was in your group. Maybe they could just pull names out of a box or something.
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    It looks like Nikki McKibbin's son got cut before Hollywood. I thought they would put him through to make a story out of it. But, I'm glad the judges made that decision.
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    I guess it depends on what AI's definition of "limited voting" means. Is 500 votes per system the limit? :lol:

    That's why I like how Dancing w/Stars voting works. I call in my 10 (or whatever) votes, and the system cuts me off when I hit 11. I don't even bother counting, I just keep calling until it tells me I used up all my votes. Hopefully that is how AI will work. I might even considering voting if it works that way. I don't even bother voting now because I'm not going to call for 2 straight hours like a lot of tweenagers do, so why bother voting in my handful of votes I might make while watching my 10p show then off to bed. :p
  30. PeterG

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    New American Idol Producers Freshen Up The Song List, Allison Iraheta Joins as Backup Singer

    Guess what, kids? When your career fails, you can come back to the show that made you a failure...as a back-up singer to kids who just might have a real career! Okay, so I get Iraheta wanting a paying gig. Gotta pay the bills, right? But WHY would the producers bring back a fellow contestant (one that made the top three!) which shows that American Idol can't provide most people with a career? (Or the career that they hoped to have.) Weird decision on the producers part... :confused:
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    I really liked most of these people but I have to admit I have a soft spot for the "Alabama boys". They are all so cute & I love how they support each other. I like the girl with the pink streak a lot - is that Jessica Meuse? I don't think she is diva-like or a bitch even though they are trying to give her that edit. And Maurice & Sam are 2 of my favs.

    As for MK, I don't care about her sexual orientation but what does that have to do with making yourself as unattractive as possible? Her clothes - ick. And people who wear their gimme caps backwards never have my vote. BTW, what was the deal with her bloody nose? Was she in a fight?

    There are a couple of people I don't think belong in the top 30. That blonde girl who was one of the last to go thru & the one who is a nurse for the women & the 2 who were tied at the end plus that 15yr old shouldn't be there either IMO.
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  33. chantilly

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    I was shocked that they didn't send Savion through. Big mistake IMO, given they sent that 20 yr old kid through who was just OK and a 15 yr old kid as well. I thought most of the girls were good but there was a girl that was kind of Joss Stone like that IMO should have made it. But I get that some of these are going through because they will get votes based on their personalities or youth. I also don't understand what the deal is with the top 15 if some of them won't even get to sing on the live show. What's the point of that. Seems pretty cruel and just for drama.

    As for who of those last two is going through of the guys, It should be the country dude IMO. To me he just has more going on and is a lot better then that Casey guy they already sent through. However, i am thrilled at their being so many musicians and songwriters. They are really still putting so many contestants at a disadvantage when they don't get much coverage during the audition rounds compared to some. Much better this year but still those with the story have a better shot.

    I don't think Jessica is getting the diva/bitch edit at all. I think it was pretty clear she was pretty gracious given what that crazy stage Mom was doing. She is not a giddy pretty girl like the rest but I like her dryness. She won't win but I am guessing she goes through by America votes.
  34. Aceon6

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    Agree. People who were paying attention when the stage mom from hell was going off would have noticed that Jessica was trying to keep her mouth shut. I think the producers had a hand in that dismissal. Could you imagine that mother being around for the live shows?
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    I forgot about Majesty Rose. She is one of my top 2 or 3. She is so cute besides.
  36. Allskate

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    A number of the top 30 are forgettable at best. IMO, some of them were weak or bad. Personality and looks were obvious reasons some of them were chosen, but I couldn't figure out why they chose a few of them. And, yeah, some good ones, like Keri Lynn, got sent home. Overall, the decisions had me scratching my head quite a bit. But, maybe I'm in the minority. Malaya can't get off my tv soon enough. I can't stand her singing, but she's one of PeterG's favorites!

    Overall, I thought the girls were better than the boys. But, I'm guessing a cute guy playing a guitar (or keyboards) will win.
  37. Aceon6

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    WGWG for the win!
  38. taf2002

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    Funny, I like more boys than girls. (Story of my life ;) )

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  39. PeterG

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    My favourite of the Thursday show was Caleb Johnson who sang Radioactive. But I was a bit :fragile: when Harry said that he was kind of Rock of Ages. Because he has a point. Last year Caleb had the short hair and dinner jacket and didn't get through, so he switched up his image. He really puts his all into it, but maybe is still exploring and hasn't hit on something that really works for him. But he's a powerhouse vocalist, so I'm glad he got through. Plus with the AI backstage people, they'll be able to help him a lot with the image side of things. He's already willing to explore, which is a big plus.

    I like Jessica as well and they gave her a bit of a bad edit. Luckily she didn't give them much to work with. There was one shot of her giving a bit of a death glare. That shot made me wonder if people would start disliking her, it made her look a bit like the mean girl.

    As for mk, some people embrace a counter-culture way of living. Living a minimal life, using only what you need and not taking more than that. Plus it's a rebellion against the impossible standards the beauty industry puts out there for females to live up to. So some women choose to go in the opposite direction, focussing on who they are as a person (and as an artist in this case) and not on how "pretty" they are.

    I had forgotten Savion's performances. Here is his first audition and his final day performance. I agree that they made a mistake not putting him through. But often I think they hold people back a year to give them time to work on things that might make them win the next year. Candice Glove is a good example of this. We will definitely see more of Savion later.

    As for some who won't get to sing on the live show, I think that's going to be based on all of the interactions the AI people have with the contestants between their being chosen up until the live shows. Specifically, who is growing, who is open to help, who is handling pressure well, who is most prepared, who has good ideas, who works well with others, who is punctual and who is always late, who has a good stage Mom and who has a stage Mom from Hell. They are all being judged still and those who fill the bill on all the things I've mentioned (and probably a lot more). Some will fail on a lot of these things and they will not get to sing live. Which I think is good, let those who are hungriest for this go on and let the slackers fall by the wayside.

    I didn't like the final twist pitting Ben Briley vs. Neco Starr. They are just so different. And America always votes for the WGWG, so no wonder Neco looked so miserable. It would have been better to put the two Alabama guys against each other (Casey and C.J. I think their names are). Better yet, Casey vs. Ben as they're basically the same person. Actually Ben is much better than Casey, but they do have a lot of similarities.
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    It wasn't about her bringing the pretty or not. If she was goth or covered with tattoos or something like that, that would be one thing. But how is making yourself unnecessarily unattractive a statement? Maybe I'm prejudiced because of the turned around ball-cap. Every time I see someone do that I want to punch them, especially Tony Romo who is old enough to know better. Have you ever see one person who looked cool wearing their cap like that? As for the jacket she wore on the judgement day, did she search for the most hideous one she could find? I've never seen anything like it in any store I've been in.

    I would have cut both guys. I thought they were both marginal at best. They sent home better than those 2 IMO.