`Am not too fond of the USA' - Vaitsekhovskaya's interview with Leonova

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by TAHbKA, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    It still applies. What the hell did they find MORE funereal than Barber and RFAD?! Four minutes of people just sobbing and wailing?!

    (FWIW, I like Alena; rather alot actually)
     
  2. AndyWarhol

    AndyWarhol Well-Known Member

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    Have other people whinged about Olympics food before?
     
  3. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

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    You don't have to moan either. Hasn't stopped you.. ;)

    NEVER!

    I mean all the time, if we're talking about the food in the Olympic Village.
     
  4. Jayar

    Jayar Well-Known Member

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    I've interviewed Elena, and she was very accommodating. She knew that I knew zero Russian, and she found someone who could help with the interview. She was very sweet in her responses, and I found her refreshing. Personally, I would be crabby about having to train in another location. Different bed, climate, air quality, food, etc. I don't blame her. I can't imagine having to dust to Russian culture why maintains a high level of athlete preparedness. Then again, I do not travel well.
     
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  5. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    I'm just an obscure nobody who has never (yet) qualified for the Olympics. I promise that if I do make the team, I won't whinge about the food or the hotels where I had to stay while I was training. :saint:
     
  6. PeterG

    PeterG Hanyuflated

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    Is Berezhnaya friends with Leonova?
     
  7. Jayar

    Jayar Well-Known Member

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    Because you are perfect.
     
  8. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    I am not saying what she said isn't correct or how many people feel, I am saying it's weird coming from her. What if Zhang was criticising Flatt for being slow, or Lysacek was critising Plushenko for using his arms too much...
     
  9. julieann

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    You don't have to eat at McDonalds like Leonova seems to think-you can have a salad. :lol: McDonalds has those too. I have heard her complain before about meals but good ones are available.

    Or you can be like Megan Duhamel and bring your own just to be safe.

    I think being homesick is normal but she really did know what she was getting into witj travel and such.
     
  10. triple_toe

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    I recall a recent interview where Patrick complained about the lack of organic chicken and greens in Sochi and how awful the food was in general, saying it was too greasy and gave him the runs but that Russians were used to it, just like they were used to constantly being surrounded by cigarette smoke. He also compared the lodgings to the hotel from the Shining so it's not a purely Russian phenomenon :shuffle:
     
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  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Natalie Pechalat said that she loved going to the Bolshoi all the time when she lived in Moscow. I think she'd have thrived in NJ -- Hackensack being a stone's throw from NYC -- had Krylova and Camarlengo been based there, the best of both worlds.

    I think it's a valid point that if a US skater had made similar remarks, she'd be accused of disliking real food that has real spices and ingredients, instead of that bland, sweet, over-processed stuff they serve in America, and that she was spoiled by perfect ice, private lessons, over-heated living spaces ,and central air conditioning, and she didn't know how to roll with the punches, the little Princess and her pea.

    I thought it was great, though, when she talked about food a lot in her blog during her stay in Vancouver. Having real Russian food made her so happy.
     
  12. Jenifer

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    Are you sure that's a Patrick quote you're thinking of and not this gem from Rosie Dimanno?
     
  13. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

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    If I were in the middle of `English for beginners' - yest. Fortunately am not.

    No, nothing went lost in the translation, yes, Russian is just more straight forward.
    BTW, the readers of Vaitsekhovskaya's blog commented on this interview being rather sad - Leonova doesn't mention anything positive, which is quite unusual to her normal `everything is great, I'm the best, let's go and kick some asses'
     
  14. triple_toe

    triple_toe Well-Known Member

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    Yep:

    link here
     
  15. Jenifer

    Jenifer Active Member

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    Thanks for the link. Interesting that the Shining comparison is the go-to one for Canadians visiting Sochi. Seems as though Canadians are just as fond of Russian food as Russians are of Canadian food.
     
  16. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

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    Frankly, from what I read in Russian about Sochi, GPF organization etc - Chan sounds positive enough...
     
  17. sadya

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    Perhaps Leonova wants to show she still appreciates Russia and feels very Russian, no matter where she goes and what she achieves and gains.

    When Kulik went to the US for his training not everyone liked it. Some even used it against him, like Mishin making comments as 'see? He went to the US and is performing less because he has every accomodation there and life is easy, he doesn't have to fight', well I can't remember the exact words, but that's more or less what he meant anyway.

    Yagudin got the same treatment from Mishin and some others. While audiences and especially the judges in Russia seemed to prefer Plushenko (who also very publicly said he's staying and training in Russia instead of going to the US like Yagudin did), out of Russia mostly Yagudin was preferred because of his presentation skills, that's the impression I had anyway.

    In the recent past, leaving Russia to train in the US seems to have been used by rivals and their supporters to make those training in the US seem less patriotic, less Russia loving thus less worthy of being Russian, it was a way of trying to win more support from the public and judges for the rivals staying and training in Russia. Perhaps these opinions and tactics still matter there.
     
  18. lala

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    I disagree. Maybe Yagudin was preferred in US and North-America, but not in any other country. This is a stereotype in FSU forum, but is not true. Yagudin was preferred in USA, because he trained there, Tarasova was his coach and he won his Olympic Champion title in US. He competed in North-America many times in professional competitons. But you are right, Yagudin has never been Russian champion, he was beaten Kulik or Plushy. But you don't forget Yagudin was beaten by Plush in 2000 ECH, when Plushy was 17 y.o and in 2001 everywhere. Plushy is almost 3 years younger like Yagudin. And if you really curious their presentation skills, look at their early programs. Plushenko's artistry comes from inside, he had innate artistry, but Yagudin has learned it. I remember when Yagudin begun to compete in the senior comps the commentators said Yag is very good in jumps but needs to improve in presentation. But Plushy's second marks were really high from the beginning.
     
  19. analia

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    Oh, a skater says something interesting, now hate him/her. Why even read interviews if you are only expecting press releases and positive thoughts? Readers can get so self-righteous sometimes.
    I simply love reading this. The brutality of being Alena Leonova...with not a classic skater body, in a training group where she is not the favorite girl, the battle with her lack of natural talent every day. Very real. And American food does suck (and not just american food, every type of food is worse in America because all the ingredients are heavily processed), plus you need to drive to places in New Jersey, which is inconvenient for foreigners. You would have to rent cars and stuff, just very complicated. She was completely right.

    Russia's hotels are terrible though. Expensive with terrible facilities. Four star hotels in Moscow have rooms that look like a highway motel.
     
  20. Prancer

    Prancer Jawwalking Staff Member

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    And here I thought most posters were rather bored by the whole thing and most were also sympathetic to Alena.
     
  21. FunnyBut

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    Patrick :cheer: he does not let us down :D
     
  22. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    When Morozov's skaters travel to train, they either stay in hotels near the rink, or else in the apartment of a local skater/coach. And Morozov tends to move his folks fairly often, and without a lot of notice.

    In addition, the food at most of the rinks where they train is not good. It's also typical snack bar fare - bad pizza, overdone chicken nuggets, soggy french fries, stale soft pretzels, etc. Some of the rinks do have a bit more variety re: healthier choices, but the snack bars aren't always even open when the elite freestyle sessions are going. Russian-style food certainly isn't normally something accessible very near any of their rinks. And there aren't always a lot of local options in terms of obtaining decent food, and they may or may not have the ability to cook for themselves, depending on where they are staying.
     
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  23. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    This is the impression I got from the article as well. I couldn't care less what she says about food or where she's training, but I had the distinct impression she isn't happy. If you read between the lines, it's clear that Morosov is devoting more attention to his sweetie and I suspect it makes it difficult for the other female skaters in the group. The males probably ignore it, but it would be harder for Leonova to do so. She knows she had a terrible season. She has to be very concerned about making the Olympic team next year. Sometimes the anxiety is all you can focus on. I actually felt sorry for her after reading the interview.
     
  24. BittyBug

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    If there is one consistent theme from champions that I hear time and time again, it's the importance of discipline, a rigorous schedule and a predictable routine, but the Morosov camp seems to live like a band of gypsies that don't know where they'll be from one week to the next or what bed they'll be sleeping in, a free for all in which dancers and singles skaters duke it out on the same ice, vying for the attention of their coach. What stood out to me the most about this interview was Alena's comments about off-ice work - that they are left to themselves. Maybe something was lost in translation, but that seems extremely undisciplined for high-level athletes. The whole environment just sounds so haphazard; it's a wonder that any of his skaters do well.
     
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  25. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    I also get the impression Alena isn't very happy and her performance at the Russian Cup certainly lacked spark or confidence (unsurprising given her season)

    I hope she's OK and is happy to be going to worlds. This is more important than what she think of french fries.
     
  26. Ziggy

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    I was really surprised when Leonova said that she doesn't have an off-ice coach and is left to do physical conditioning on her own. At this level, training in Russia where you do generally have everything provided, it really doesn't seem acceptable.

    Probably the main reason why I could never live in the US. I either walk everywhere or use public transport.
     
  27. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    This. Maybe he should just stick to doing choreography so he can pop in and out of his skaters' home rinks. Has he ever explained the reason for this system? He has a young daughter... I don't understand why he wouldn't want to have a stable US training base.
     
  28. olympic

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    I generally agree about the quality of American food and I am American. There are high quality items, but you have to really search for them and pay through the nose.

    Public transport is evil socialism, plus taking public transport is a sign in America that you are too lazy to work hard and save up to buy a car (that's a joke to all who don't know me)
     
  29. BittyBug

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    You might be shocked to find out that there are a actually people who don't own or use cars in the U.S. If you live in a major city like Chicago, NY, Washington DC, Philadelphia, etc., it's easier almost not to have a car than to have one.
     
  30. Vagabond

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    :rofl:

    Any lynx links? Translations? Summaries? :saint:

    We don't hate her; we pick apart what she says. This is FSU.

    Perhaps, but Leonova was criticizing the food in Canada. And she didn't mind the borscht and veal she had there. :p
     
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