Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by TAHbKA, Feb 24, 2013.
Patrick he does not let us down
When Morozov's skaters travel to train, they either stay in hotels near the rink, or else in the apartment of a local skater/coach. And Morozov tends to move his folks fairly often, and without a lot of notice.
In addition, the food at most of the rinks where they train is not good. It's also typical snack bar fare - bad pizza, overdone chicken nuggets, soggy french fries, stale soft pretzels, etc. Some of the rinks do have a bit more variety re: healthier choices, but the snack bars aren't always even open when the elite freestyle sessions are going. Russian-style food certainly isn't normally something accessible very near any of their rinks. And there aren't always a lot of local options in terms of obtaining decent food, and they may or may not have the ability to cook for themselves, depending on where they are staying.
This is the impression I got from the article as well. I couldn't care less what she says about food or where she's training, but I had the distinct impression she isn't happy. If you read between the lines, it's clear that Morosov is devoting more attention to his sweetie and I suspect it makes it difficult for the other female skaters in the group. The males probably ignore it, but it would be harder for Leonova to do so. She knows she had a terrible season. She has to be very concerned about making the Olympic team next year. Sometimes the anxiety is all you can focus on. I actually felt sorry for her after reading the interview.
If there is one consistent theme from champions that I hear time and time again, it's the importance of discipline, a rigorous schedule and a predictable routine, but the Morosov camp seems to live like a band of gypsies that don't know where they'll be from one week to the next or what bed they'll be sleeping in, a free for all in which dancers and singles skaters duke it out on the same ice, vying for the attention of their coach. What stood out to me the most about this interview was Alena's comments about off-ice work - that they are left to themselves. Maybe something was lost in translation, but that seems extremely undisciplined for high-level athletes. The whole environment just sounds so haphazard; it's a wonder that any of his skaters do well.
I also get the impression Alena isn't very happy and her performance at the Russian Cup certainly lacked spark or confidence (unsurprising given her season)
I hope she's OK and is happy to be going to worlds. This is more important than what she think of french fries.
I was really surprised when Leonova said that she doesn't have an off-ice coach and is left to do physical conditioning on her own. At this level, training in Russia where you do generally have everything provided, it really doesn't seem acceptable.
Probably the main reason why I could never live in the US. I either walk everywhere or use public transport.
This. Maybe he should just stick to doing choreography so he can pop in and out of his skaters' home rinks. Has he ever explained the reason for this system? He has a young daughter... I don't understand why he wouldn't want to have a stable US training base.
I generally agree about the quality of American food and I am American. There are high quality items, but you have to really search for them and pay through the nose.
Public transport is evil socialism, plus taking public transport is a sign in America that you are too lazy to work hard and save up to buy a car (that's a joke to all who don't know me)
You might be shocked to find out that there are a actually people who don't own or use cars in the U.S. If you live in a major city like Chicago, NY, Washington DC, Philadelphia, etc., it's easier almost not to have a car than to have one.
Any lynx links? Translations? Summaries?
We don't hate her; we pick apart what she says. This is FSU.
Perhaps, but Leonova was criticizing the food in Canada. And she didn't mind the borscht and veal she had there.
As far as I'm aware, he's only usually in the US for a month or so pre-season - they're currently there for a pre-Worlds camp so there won't be issues with adjusting to timezones etc closer to the competition & did a similar thing in 2011 when it was still intended for Worlds to be in Japan - so there's not really a need for any permanent base. They have a full time base in Novogorsk & there everything is set up properly. That said, you would think that these camps would be planned for far in advance & suitable arrangements made so that there's no need for the nomadic living out of a suitcase lifestyle that other posters have described.
It must be difficult for his skaters to deal with the number of people in his training group - he must have been at every GP this season, surely? It seems like they'd only see him in weeks they are actually competing, as the rest of the time he'd be in another country with other skaters. I remember Miki Ando travelled with him to TEB in 2010 and trained at the Bercy rink during the competition, but that's not ideal and probably not even financially possible for most skaters.
Yes but that's only if you live inside a big city.
It didn't seem like Leonova bothered to make that distinction, i.e. "from what I've seen in New Jersey." Then again, she sounded downright depressed overall, so I'm not surprised her NJ living arrangements were no exception to the tone she set in the rest of the interview.
Actually, when I lived on a Rutgers campus in NJ, we didn't have a car either. It was more inconvenient than not having a car in NYC but we managed because lots of students don't have cars so there was public transportation.
But other places I've lived, it would be impossible to get around without a car.
Must be from the lack of horsemeat.
Findus horsemeat lasagne anyone? To be fair though, the horsemeat has only shown up in processed crap in Europe (so far anyway).
Well, just wait until the US meat inspectors are furloughed!
Yeah, like it's any different in Europe. I lived in a small village in England and we got one bus a day to go into town to shop/work. Didn't fit your schedule? Tough. Don't you live in a city?
Can't they have a caterer bring in the kinds of food they want?
Out of Morozov's booze money?
There are certainly cities where this isn't true, including the general metropolitan areas that are commuter towns into the city. (Even my podunk little hometown had at least hourly, twice an hour mornings and evenings for the commuters.) Hackensack is one of them, and Sikharulidze regularly went to NYC when he was training there. I get the impression from her blogs that she likes the warmth of a home or a companion. She seemed to have a great time with Makarova in Vancouver. I'm not sure there's anyone in Morozov's group with whom she has that kind of friendship.
Where Leonova lives now, there's no shortage of real food, if she's able to cook. I suspect she's not. With all of the people around in northern Jersey who can cook anything, I'm surprised that Morozov hasn't arranged to have healthy food catered to the rink while they're there. Arena food is rarely cheap, and there are enough of them to order in bulk.
One of Seattle's all-time best ballet dancers left after last season to dance with Les Ballets de Monte Carlo, and he came back for a guest performance earlier this month. At a talk after the show, he said that when he was in Seattle, he had a lot of standard routines so that he'd be at his best. Now, in touring, he can't depend on any routine or even that the schedule is going to stick, and he said he has to be prepared for anything. It's a very different mind set.
I dunno. The first time I went to Russia there was nothing at the hotel's humongous breakfast buffet I could stand eating. It was horrible stuff. The towels in the room were so stiff from being washed with cheap soap, you could free stand them--and this was at a 4-star hotel. The cigarette smoke was appalling and in Moscow I was stepping over drunks lying on the sidewalk at 9:30 in the morning. I could go on and on. However, I really like Russia and the Russians, and I prefer talking about the good things about the country first. No country is perfect.
Obviously public transport is limited outside of cities but it still exists. Pavements exist as well. And there's nothing to the extent of US suburban sprawl in Europe. Or 'cities' like LA.
Ever been to Moscow?
I said 'nothing to the extent'.
If you need a translation:
Suburban sprawl exists in US.
Suburban sprawl exists outside of US.
Suburban sprawl covers a much bigger area, percentage-wise in the US than anywhere else.
Suburban sprawl has much more people living in it in the US, in comparison with any other country.
Living in suburban sprawl in the US means you aren't able to function at all if you don't own a car.
Living in suburban sprawl outside of the US means it's hard to function without a car but it's not as bad.
My parents live in suburbia from hell and there's a bus going into the city every hour. There are streets with pavements. There's a community centre with a doctors' surgery offering loads of different activities (and you can actually walk there easily). And so on and so forth.
P.S. Moscow is nothing like LA in that it actually has a city centre and pretty typical urban planning with suburbs on top of that, on the outskirts.
That might be true of Europe, but Russia is closer to the US geographically, and that's the comparison she's making. When she's training in Hackensack, there's plenty of public transportation into NYC, because Hackensack is a commuter suburb very close to NYC. It's easier for her to get to NYC than for the Russian skaters who've described commuting to their rinks from the equivalent or the other side of Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Wow, that's pretty impressive meaning to fit into the phrase "nothing to the extent."
I wonder when we'll finally get that in suburban US?
And buses going to the big city, wouldn't that be something? And a train? Going to the airport, may be? Oh wait...
This is so true. Almost all of Alaska, Montana, Idaho, North and South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, and Utah is covered with suburban sprawl, whereas in Belgium and the Netherlands, for example, there are huge swaths of wilderness and the population is concentrated in the urban core.
"Almost all of Alaska" covered in suburban sprawl? Obviously tongue in cheek.
For those who'd like more info...
Population density of US States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density
Population density of various countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_dependent_territories_by_population_density
I actually hadn't realized that the Netherlands had that high a pop. density - learn something' new every day!
I believe Vagabond was being facetious. But I also don't think Ziggy is entirely wrong. Much of the United States is an endless suburbia. That doesn't mean the entire country is so, but even many large cities like Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, are extremely spread out.
Facetious? Moi?! Jamais!
But I do think that Ziggy would do well to visit the United States some time.
Why would he want to do that? We have no fresh foods and no paved roads!
Re; cities and suburbia, There are many wonderful places in the US, and much to admire. But for inexperienced tourists, some aspects can of America be daunting. As a Canadian, one assumes that there won't be too much difference, and i've fallen into that trap. When I visisted the Humana Festival in Louisville with another middle aged woman, we taxied to a theatre for a popular show. It was still daylight and the city looked absolutely like any other city I'd been in. At the end of the evening, we asked the box office manager to call a cab. He looked at us as if we had two heads and informed us that taxies do not venture down town after dark. I explained we were tourists and asked we could get back to our hotel. He was flabberghasted by the question, and from the way he said "Americans have their own cars" and dashed away, I belive he thought we were lunatics, or at least from the moon. We had no choice but to walk, in our high heels along entirely empty, dark streets. There were no lights from on buildings, no brightly coloured signs. We were so terrified that we almost ran for half hour trip back to the hotel. There weren't even cars coming from the theatre on the streets as the underground parking lot emptied in a different direction.
I've travelled to many cities in Europe and Asia, including those with different aphabets, but have never felt more out of my comfort zone than in Louisville. There is culture shock where you least expect it.
Perhaps that's all Leonova meant.
I thought I read somewhere, the whole group travels to all of the GP events (or to all of the GP events where any Morozov's student compete, so it would probably be all of the events), so they don't see him only in the weeks they are competing, they see him all the time, but then they spend every week at different place. think it must be insane for him to arrange the rinks at every place they go.
The towels may not have been stiff due to being washed with a cheap soap, they may have been starched! They do it in some parts of Eastern Europe. Don't ask me why...
You know, bashing someone's hometown or country just isn't polite, especially based on 1 visit or limited experience with the area. I've only been to Great Britain (9 times) and Canada (3 times) so I'm not internationally very well traveled, but no - things weren't like "home." Sometimes careful planning ahead was necessary. There were unexpected things that were kind of difficult, but I'm not even going to list them because generally speaking, the people everywhere we went were so lovely, who cared if there was some inconvenience? The good certainly outweighed a small amount of personal discomfort or "not getting what I was used to." BTW-I work in a very "suburban" area of Atlanta, but there is definitely great public transportation, and I know plenty of people there who don't own cars. (In fact, lots of bicycling!) Let's put blind generalizations up there with impolite bashing.
Which is why people who don't want to own cars don't live in the suburbs.
I don't think she wanted to bash anyone's country.
The difference may be that you travelled because it was your choice, whereas she travels and it isn't her choice. Unlike you, she can't do the careful planning you suggest because as someone wrote above they move often at a very short notice. Also, most of the time (when you don't travel) you are staying at home, whereas she doesn't seem to have one place where she would stay most of time, so it appears that she doesn't know where she is going next (and when). If you are somewhere for a few months, you may put posters/photos on the wall and personalise the space, whereas it looks that she lives from the suitcase, at times staying somewhere for such a short time that it probably isn't worth personalising the space. It is gypsy lifestyle, and it can be difficult to live if it wasn't your choice. She chose the coach (Morozov) but she didn't have much choice with the lifestyle. The lifestyle comes as a package with this coach, whereas skaters who have other coaches will have more stability in their life. Someone may enjoy this, someone else may struggle with it. She is honest and she doesn't enjoy this part of the package.
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