Allons-y! French skating news & updates

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 14, 2010.

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  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    From old exibition
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JiH5nDSZvo&feature=related

    Look like even if P-B will skate there Circus FD next 10 years they always will look fresh for FSU :D
  2. Zemgirl

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    They've done plenty of serious programs in their career - I think they went in a lighter direction after the 2008 season. Their Craziness FD was really good, but IIRC, apparently they felt (or were told?) that some people found it too dark. If they're now going in a lighter direction, it's because that's what they're being rewarded for. They have more range than Circus and Chaplin, for sure.
  3. crystalice

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    Canton is bad.

    P/B is bad.

    What is good? :blah:
  4. pani

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    I think all they are good. Natalie and Fabian were very strong under Zhulin eben with skating Circus during past 3 years, but why they need to take this old ex for new FD in France?
    They could much better, but look like there new coaches didnt try to find even new music for them. Sad :(
    But i hope they will win ECh again and at leat will win medal at WCh.
  5. Zemgirl

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    Huh? They skated to Circus for one season + 2010 Worlds. Chaplin may have been thematically similar, but they are by no means the same program.

    As for this year's concept, yes they did Mummies as an EX in the past. They're not the first skaters to take a concept and translate it from gala to competitive program, so I fail to see how this is an issue. I haven't watched the full FD, so I can't say what's been recycled and what's original. But don't forget that with a shorter off-season and a major coaching change, there may have been a limit to how many new elements they could come up with and train.
  6. Eris

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    Skating Circus at Worlds doesn't mean they skated it all the 09-10 season. ;)

    And even this dance is not fresh for them, it will be rather refreshing to watch it among upbeat dances and love stories, imo.:shuffle:

    This time Fabian is not a mummy like Nathalie, he is a Pharaon.:cool:
  7. pani

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    Refreshing mean to bring something new in this FD. Hope they will made this, becausee i didnt see any "refresh" at this video.

    And i am imaging what people start talking if Canton skaters will skate in FDs there old exibitions or old ODs.
    But i wish all the best to P-B and maybe wish they will be higher at WCh then D-W and Shibs. Thats why i feel so sad to see this FD and maybe this will never happened :(
  8. Eris

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    If they skate in FDs their old ODs it will be good (I'd LOVE D/W recycle Indian dance into FD), but please not EX! All of them are boooring to death.
  9. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    pani, back in the trash can ;)
  10. pani

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    OK ;) But if i will say - P-B show the best FD they ever had and i never saw nothing like this, there skating is superb. O, and yes - i never saw worst programs and skating, then Canton skaters show - will you let me stay at GSD? :lol:
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  11. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    No. Just go back and find those three stops and time them and let this be about French skaters ;)
  12. pani

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    Sorry, but i wish to talk about Joubert "new" LP and Amodio "sexy tiger" :)
  13. Ziggy

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    Because somebody vomitting on the ice would be more interesting than 90% of ice dance programs, including all that Zoueva has ever choreographed. :p

    People in having different opinions shocker. ;)
  14. kirkbiggestfan

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    Fabian said that Krylova worked a lot on the steps and transitions and it shows. The LP is very well built. It looks like they will change one of the lifts and make minor adjustments.
  15. Libertango

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    Like if V&M took last year's FD for their SD? Oh wait they did! And nobody's complaining about it AFAIK! Maybe you need to stop imagining things ;)
  16. Ziggy

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    That is one thing that I noticed.

    That program was jam packed, something was going on all the time.

    I hope the second lift will be changed. It neither looks, nor was it performed very well.
  17. Eris

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    I do not like the 1st one. It looks hard for them especialy with Fabian in spread eagle position.
  18. kirkbiggestfan

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    That is their signature lift. I am glad it is back because it is incredibly spectacular. Neck on neck. Dancers usually copy each other`s lift, but I have not seen anyone else try to copy that one. They are probably to scared for their lives.
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    I believe that Denkova/Staviski and Brian Joubert will be skating at an event in Nice on 26 October .
    I really miss D/S so it will be great to see them skate again .
    Anyone have any more info ?
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    The first lift they used it in 2007 circa I would say. An adaptation of Marina and Gwendal olympic lift or the one in "Danse mon Esmeralda".
    The second is a variation they used two seasons ago and never used again after the first grand prix.
    The third one is new to me, for them.
  22. Artifice

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    P/B's FD is very well built IMO. It's just that I don't find it that exciting considering they don't bring anything dramatically new compared to what has been done before.
    On this music it is necessary that the program is compared to what Grishuk/Platov did. Unfortunately I don't find P/B's choreography and interpretation much surprising nor anyway better than G/P. The fact that they start the program almost the same way doesn't help neither.
    The program is "first degree" which is a problem to me, because it's been done already by others. Had they tried something different, with mixes of other rythms or other references, it would have been more exciting to me.
    After watching this program the thing that comes to my mind is that I want to watch G/P's version to see the best interpretation of the music.
    At P/B's level I'm expecting probably more than an adaptation of an old program to the new judging system.
  23. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    See, that would be awesome, assuming this is their last Worlds, because they made their Worlds debut with their Che Guevera FD in 2004. Nice symmetry.

    I just can't help be disappointed. I love The Feeling Begins and most programs to it, whether it be G&P, Yagudin, Engi & Toth, Baiul, N&K. P&B's doesn't particularly wow me. It's not bad, but it doesn't stand out at all.

    They have always been such a creative team, getting ideas from outside of skating, using dance choreographers and so on. Considering the Worlds are in France and this is their best shot ever at a medal, and maybe the last, I expected something grand, like the culmination of all of their voidy ideas from over the years. Instead, it kinda feels like they ran out of ideas. :(

    I agree that the program is packed, and the arm movements are very well done, but I think all the stops do not serve them. The choreo doesn't highlight the beautiful edges and flow they developed under Zhulin, especially last season. That will hurt them vs the Shibutanis.
  24. Rafter

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    I didn't mind P&B's FD but I wish they would have used The Feeling Begins for the whole program. I notice some people are comparing them to G&P - what's the point!? There's no point in comparing pre-CoP programs to CoP ones.

    Looking forward to seeing P&B at Skate Canada.
  25. Artifice

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    That's my feeling :)hat1:) too. The program is good but it's not outsanding, it's not refreshing, it's not new. And yes, it doesn't highlight their qualities enough to appear clearly superior to the americans. They open a door for other dancers to pass them.
  26. Artifice

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    It may be because P&B use the same choreography at the beggining than G&P. Or also because they choreographed the program with the same spirit as G&P, they used the same persective while others did it differently. And also because G&P are the reference on this music and to get recognition on this music it is important that skaters choose a very personal perspective rather than getting too much inspired by what did the best in the past. Just a few reasons why it is legitimate to make a comparision.
  27. IceIceBaby

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    Why do so many of you think these will be P/B's last Worlds? Have they said so?
    I think they will definitely aim to Sochi, also the Team France will need them in the team event.
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    That might be true to a point, but for their 1997 FD G/P (or whoever choreographed that programme) quite mercilessly ripped off Engi/Toth's 1992 FD. Of course, no one remembers poor Engi/Toth :(
  29. cholla

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    They've said a number of times now that their going on after Worlds 2012 would depend on their results at said World. There a little chances they'll aim for Sochi if they're not medal contenders.
  30. SLIVER

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    Oh please lol, P/B have been threatening they will retire since 2006, its the oldest trick in the book ;-)
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    That's why I was so surprised when they said they were aiming for Sochi.
  32. Eris

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    They never said they would definetely retire after Worlds 2012. They will compete there, but their further career will depend on the results and judges opinion: they won't go to Sochi if they are not able to fight for a medal.
  33. kirkbiggestfan

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    The US, Canada, and Russia are the huge favorites for that competition. France has a small chance of getting the bronze if the Canadian ladies are weak that season. Japan and China don`t have strong ice dance teams and Zahorski-Miart would probably finish 4th in that field if P/B weren`t there. I doubt that the team competition would affect their decision at all.
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    Their original comments were that they were definitely aiming for Sochi, without the caveat of their placement at 2012 Worlds. I was surprised that they didn't say originally they would take it a year at a time, but lots of teams are very enthusiastic and inspired after an Olympics. I was expecting them to keep the suspense up and to at least hint at retirement regularly.
  35. cholla

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    Really ? I didn't know. I can talk only about what they told me when I interviewed them last year and last spring and about what I read and heard in other interviews. It certainly didn't sound like any sort of threat or trick but much more like a carefully thought out and reasonable consideration. Which, by the way, seemed pretty logical to me, considering their age and career.
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    I think the bigger obstacle for Japan would be the lack of an Olympic-eligible pair. But yes, I agree, France has an outside shot at best.

    I don't recall P/B saying they'll retire in recent years. Obviously they were unhappy with their training situation before leaving Lyon, but that's hardly the same thing. IIRC, there was an interview back in 2009 in which Pechalat said she was very committed to continuing their competitive career, ice dance was her passion etc; I believe it was implied they were going to stick with it for some time.
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    Surely Carron/Jones would be selected for the team competition before Zahorsky/Miart?
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    Does Jones have/will he have citizenship for Sochi?
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    In theory, he probably won't, since he needs to have lived in France for five years and he didn't team up with Carron until the spring of 2009.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law#Naturalisation
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012355.htm

    Of course, he might have moved to Lyon long enough before officially teaming up with Carron to meet the residency requirement.

    OTOH, Vanessa James obtained citizenship after living in France for only two years, and she doesn't appear to have the criteria listed on the Wikipedia page linked above. Go figure.
  40. miffy

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    He was in France quite some time before that, IIRC he went there in Spring 2008. I don't know if he was officially resident, but he definitely trained in Lyon and had a couple of brief partnerships, I think Danielle Bennett, and then a French girl - I think her name was Elodie? (That is from memory so might be completely wrong!)
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