Alexandra Paul & Mitchell Islam

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  1. lavenderblue

    lavenderblue Active Member

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    Oh, dear.

    They could certainly have registered for this weekend's competition in advance of receiving their Skate America assignment...but as this event would never have impacted their international standing, anyway, and is a good distance away from SA, it seems strange to drop it for those purposes -- there are few teams, especially at their particular stage (and after their last, short competitive season), who can't benefit from a little early competition. I suppose it's possible that their programs, one or both, could be in some state of flux. I'd rather hope that than injury, but who knows right now. :(
  2. pani

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    I think they both are OK, but not ready to show competitve programs on publick yet and maybe re-worked something after HPC, like all other skaters - so no worries. They have 1 mounth before SA
  3. Pratfall

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    Thanks , pani . I needed that.;)
  4. NorthernDancers

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    And just for an update from today: not terribly surprising, but Paul/Islam were not skating again today. Just Lud/Mulder, who were really quite lovely. I guess we will have to see if Paul/Islam make a showing at Octoberfest. I really, really hope they are ok. This year, I think they have a lock on 3rd if they are healthy.
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  6. Pratfall

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    :D..oh ..that's relief then...a girl has to write her test sometime .
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    I wouldn't be surprised if P/I withdraw from Octoberfest as well as that seems all they are doing this year (withdrawing). I would love to see their programs as I'm sure most of you are who are reading these posts but I have been disappointed one too many times. Losing hope and interest.
  8. Pratfall

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    I won't be losing interest..:D I well remember the days before YouTube when most people didn't get to see anyone before SA.
  9. Rafter

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    I don't quite understand Team P&I's strategy if it indeed turns out that they won't be competing their programs until Skate America. Seems to me that they need the mileage to work out kinks and their nerves (just thinking back to last year's disastrous CoR OD plus the not-so-good OD at Skate Canada). Even Virtue & Moir competed at least a FD for years every summer at Thornhill.

    Maybe they think they got enough feedback/advice at the High Perf Camp?

    I don't know. I still wish they would have been assigned to Nebelhorn or Finlandia before the GP series (a strategy that's worked very well for B&A, D&W, the Shibs and P&B in the past). P&I have no buzz, no momentum and not a lot of ISU points (which affects start orders at GPs). Not to mention the fact that they haven't competed since JANUARY.
  10. pani

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    Who knows, maybe after HPC they need to change a lot off things and re-work there programs- who knows?
    And who made decigion, who will go to "B" serios of competitions - Skate Canada or skaters?
    The same strategy have all russian teams, who very rare compete before GP.
  11. Pratfall

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    As I read it it goes something like this.. They showed their FD at a show pre-season. They had NHK but at that stage not enough points for another assignment . ( They probably would have been sent to a senior B..but again, at that time, the entrants hadn't been announced )..scheduled for Thornhill, but withdrew due to minor injury, wanting to be cautious ..so they planned to do Isabelle Henderson instead. At the same time , they got SA because teams ahead of them dropped out and suddenly they did have enough points.

    BUT..the SA dates meant that Alex couldn't attend her scheduled economics exam, resulting in an automatic deduction of 15% on the exam . Luckily , she still could take it online. Unluckily, when could she take it ? Right in the middle of this competition.. I don't know , would you maybe want to waste your tuition money or lower your GPA ?

    So now they're scheduled for Octoberfest for the SD which they haven't performed in front of an audience..I don't know if the judges would make much difference , since it has been assessed at HPC..but maybe..

    Fortunately , SA, only a week later , is on the same continent, so there won't be jet lag ..:D If they do withdraw from O-fest , I wouldn't necessarily read that to mean they're unprepared.

    Glass half full.
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    Unfortunately Paul and Islam did not skate at all at HPC as Alex was injured, so they only did off ice activites.
  13. pani

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    :( In this case this look not very good, but hope they will be ready for SA.
    And i really coulnt understand, why Alex couldnt pass exams in different time?
  14. NorthernDancers

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    Oh no. That is not good news.
  15. Pratfall

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    Dang! That shoots down my Pollyanna Theory...:(..the glass is now officially half empty ! I hope she can be well in time for SA.
  16. skatingfan04

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    I didn't realize that they hadn't skated at the HP camp.:confused: Where did everyone hear this from? If that is the case, the withdrawl from Isabelle Henderson might mean that there is a serious problem. I really hope that's not the case. I can't bear the idea of these two being out with a long term injury this early in their careers.:(
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    Well that explains a lot. Thanks for the info. Must be pretty serious if they pulled out of Thornhill in mid-August citing injury (didn't they mention a minor injury in their video interview with PJ Kwong?), then not skating at HPC, then pulling out of another minor summer-type competition in late September. Wouldn't be surprised if next we hear they've pulled out of Skate America too.

    Wasn't she injured last fall at CoR, causing their withdrawal?

    She seems to be injury-prone for someone so young into her career.
  18. lavenderblue

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    Purely spec, but the Thornhill/HPC/Isabelle Henderson situation may be part of one relatively minor injury. In the interview with PJ, she attributed the Thornhill withdrawal to a muscle pull behind her knee, which might be a popliteus issue, which is apparently common in runners and can make full knee extension difficult and painful.

    Grade 1 and 2 muscle strains can take anywhere from 2 to 6 weeks to heal, which would still have put Thornhill and Isabelle Henderson in the same timeframe, especially assuming the strain occurred very shortly before Thornhill. If this is the case, that they registered for Octoberfest -- the registration deadline for which was September 7 -- may have been an indication that their IH plans were tentative dependent on Alex's recovery, but that if it did fall through, she would still be recovered by the early-mid October date of the next pre-GP event.

    Obviously all speculative, but it's still possible for their GP plans to be unaffected even as the preseason has been impacted.
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    OK..Octoberfest in Barrie gets underway tomorrow.

    P/I are still listed, and it seems there have been a couple of additions to the entries for the SD , notably K /G-S from the States, another couple I thought really promising last year..

    http://www.skatecanada-centralontario.com/Irma/Octoberfest 2011/ssden.html

    I hope P/I can skate.. ( I hope they all skate )..and I hope we get a report...:D

    SD scheduled for 2:50 PM Saturday
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  22. skatingfan04

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    :D I found something on Flikr to ease our worries about P/I's health. Apparently they skated somewhere on the 8th of this month. Here's the pic.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/24291681@N08/6228375803/

    And the album it came from.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/24291681@N08/page1/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/24291681@N08/archives/date-taken/2011/10/08/

    I have no idea where the photo came from. Did something happen in Western Ontario this weekend? Because it seems like this shot was taken at the same time as some new ones of Moore-Towers & Moscovitch, Bobak & Beharry and Rau & Simpson, all of whom train at the Kitchener Waterloo skating club. Either way, it's encouraging to see that they're on the ice. Hopefully they'll be OK for Skate America afterall.
  23. Bournekraatzfan

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    thank you so much for the update! lovely picture!

    I was fortunate enough to see them skate live at Skate Canada last fall, and they really cast a spell. I was familiar with their skating before tat competition, but the people sitting around me had never seen them skate before, but were ooohing and ahhhing just moments into their program. They just knew this was a special team. I am so excited to see their material for this year.
  24. clarie

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    Yes, ITA. I was there too and they totally mesmerized me. I thought that they have that special "something" that comes naturally. They drew me into what they were doing.........nice moment.
  25. skatingfan04

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    Don't thank me, thank whoever took the picture!:D I just wish I knew where it was from. Maybe someone here can shed some light on that.

    I actually had a similar experience with this team last year. I've only seen them live once, and it was at Thornhill last summer. I knew of them, but when they came out to skate the SD, I was blown away. I had been expecting a trainwreck, because I didn't think that a Waltz/Tango could ever work, but they completely stunned me. I was made an instant fan.:lol: I'm counting the days 'till SA so that we can finally get a glimpse of their material.
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    I think now you feel more relax :) Cant wait to see them at GP!
    I think K\G-S and P-I had not very high score....
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  28. skatingfan04

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    :D:rofl: YAY!!! Thank god, I was getting really worried! Too bad about the score though. They got a couple of level 2s, one on the rumba and one on the circular step sequence. Hopefully they can clean those up a bit before SA.

    I'm dying to see this program. Anyone have any reports??
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    Oops...double post.
  30. Pratfall

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    :)I was having to post that quickly before I ran out on an errand.

    I notice P/I had a fall deduction..that might have rattled them a bit..depending on the fall and where it was..
    That won't always be the case...
  31. Rafter

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    Well there's not a lot of time before Skate America. They probably leave for CA on Tuesday or Wednesday.

    It's really too bad they couldn't have competed their programs earlier than this. I guess they'll be going into Skate America with their FD never having been competed to test levels etc.

    Her injury must have been pretty bad for them to skip August and September competition opportunities. If their injury isn't serious, then I question the strategy.
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    The photo was taken by Danielle Earl on the Carolyn Fedy Rink which is the home of the Kitchener Waterloo Skating Club. I think the occasion was a simulation night in front of a guest judge.
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    I don't know, those scores are pretty much in-line with other SD scores so far...the Shibs had a 58, Chock/Bates had 53...I think a score in the 50s is pretty competitive right now. At least among all the teams except for V/M and D/W, who will have their own competition. :)
  34. pani

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    But this were home competition. P-B had 72 at Masters ;)
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    But K/G-S aren't Canadians, Barrie is not their home competition.
  36. skatingfan04

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    ITA. Also, P/I seem to have had some issues, both with the fall and with their technical levels in the footwork, so the 55 seems to be fitting with that they were scoring internationally in the SD last year as well as the mistakes (they got about 50 at SC and 45 at CoR, both with mistakes much more costly than the ones they seem to have had here). As for P/I edging K/G-S in the PCS, I'm not too familiar with the America team, but I know P/I are really great performers live, so I don't think that would have been much of a gift either.

    Actually, I have always felt that the judging at COS events is quite accurate. I'm not sure if this is the case, but many times what V/M scored at Thornhill in the summers would line up pretty well with what they would score nationally and internationally later in the season. This was the case for P/I as well the time that I saw them, and also a number of pairs teams. I'm not sure if this event would have had the same judges, but it would be safe to assume that at least some of them were.

    Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see how they fair at SA before we can make an honest assessment. 5 more days until the SD!:D
  37. pani

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    So they didnt skate in FD? OK...
    I think Gilles/P Poirie score show what is "home competition". Sorry, but even with masterpiece FD 8. for new team in components and all levels 4 and higher levek for step sequence then Shibs had in Finlandia? Its a joke? :lol:
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    I'm going to wait to pass judgement until I see both of these teams.
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    Not entirely a joke, Pani. Absolutely I believe they received home competition marks. But it was a strong skate, they clearly were having fun, and the tricks were difficult. In COP, tricks get rewarded. The choreography was clever and complex, and the skating was very fast. But to me, in my opinion, I didn't see the dancing. I'm not sure how this will be received in the same competition as V/M, W/P and I/P.

    It's the heart of the debate folks have been having on GoldenSkate. Does COP reward tricks and cleverness more than actual dancing? Is the point to choreograph a dance with the elements as highlights that flow out of the dance, or are the tricks the most important things with the dance choreographed around them? I think that will be the debate by Nationals on the judging panel with this team, in comparison to the other 3 top teams.
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    Thanks!
    Do you really think they could be higher V-M, W-P or P-I at Nationals?