Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by skatingfan04, Mar 13, 2011.
mmm...Was that qualifying score for G/P at 4CC ?
Yep. None of their Grand Prix or Worlds scores would have met the top 24 (Worlds was actually their highest, but it was still one point lower than the 24th best score).
Unfortunately, a host pick is the only possible GP option for P/I. Since they aren't on the Seasons Best list (didn't participate in the GP or an ISU Championship event), they can't even get a substitute slot.
My thoughts. After seeing G/P and P/I at Canadians and then the marks at Worlds for G/P, I think P/I should be able to get the third spot next year, assuming their streak of unfortunate falls ends. 18th is terrible in light of where he was positioned with Vanessa. I don't think they're going anywhere without some major changes and the international judges appear to be on the same page. P/I had better programs and better delivery. (I admit I disliked G/P's programs this year). My impression at Worlds is that Poirier needs to be reined in a bit if they want to have any hope at all of moving up.
I haven't liked any of G/P's programs so far, not as competition programs. Their 2012 FD was fun ..as a show program.. I didn't get to see much of 4CC this year, until after the fact.. but my impression that G/P were over marked seemed to be a pretty generally held opinion. So this makes me feel pretty sick.
Are any of the Senior Bs early enough to offer hope to our other teams ?..and would a senior B count ?
Paul/Islam received 225 + 164 ISU World Standings ranking points for their 2nd and 5th place finishes, respectively, in their 2012 Salt Lake and Nebelhorn Senior B assignments. They didn't count for ISU Season Best scores this season, but SB scores may count at 2013 Nebelhorn Trophy because it is the designated 2014 Olympic qualifying competition.
That won't help them as far as the GP is concerned, since those invitations are given out in June. I believe the 2012-2013 Seasons Best list is the criteria for the 2013-2014 GP invitation/substitute lists.
Scores earned in 2013-2014 would be on a new Seasons Best list.
I figured that P/I wouldn't be eligible for a GP event, so no surprise there. At least with G/P being guaranteed one it should up P/I's chances at getting the Skate Canada host spot, though O/W are fully deserving of that as well. Hopefully Skate Canada gives P/I senior B events again. If they impress there, that should help their bid for the Skate Canada spot as well. Fingers crossed.
Thanks for all the info, everyone. I want so badly for them to make the Olympic team. They are one of my favourite teams and I always love their material. I hope they have better luck this year.
Btw, lavenderblue, it is great to see you posting again
Out of curiosity, how many host picks does a federation officially have?
Only three Canadian teams are immediately eligible for a Grand Prix assignment. V/M will obviously compete at Skate Canada. W/P would probably, like this year, be sent to other events to improve their own chances on the podium. Skate Canada would probably love to host G/P, but might also want to see that another federation shows support for the team by selecting them. If neither W/P nor G/P competed at Skate Canada, then would the federation be permitted to select two Canadian entries, or would they be obliged to sacrifice a pick in favor of a team automatically eligible for assignment?
O/W should be gurarateed one GP assignment by being Top 24 WS after it is adjusted to drop the 2010-11 season's points and to factor the 2011-12 season's points by 70%, which happens after the final Sr. B is over and before the GP selection.
Ah! That helps the Canadian field considerably. I hadn't considered that they could move up that significantly, thank you.
Host picks come first in the GP selection process and each host can choose 3 skaters/teams per discipline. Obviously, SCI will choose V/M as their first host pick. They will base the other picks on whether or not teams are likely to get invitations from the other hosts.
After the purge of old World Standings data, W/P will be top 6 and both G/P and O/W will be top 24; W/P and G/P are also top 24 on Seasons Best. W/P will definitely get two GP invitations, and G/P are likely to get two also, so Skate Canada probably won't name either team as a host pick.
Orford/Williams are #26 on Seasons Best and with their top 24 WR could get a GP invitation; they could also eventually be chosen as a substitute (they did get a substitute slot this past season). SCI could choose O/W as a host pick to ensure two spots for them, or leave it to chance.
That leaves Paul/Islam and Ralph/Hill. Both will be well out of the top 24 on WR and R/H are in the 40s on SB, while P/I have no SB rating since they didn't compete in the GP or an ISU Championship event. My guess is P/I will get a host pick since they can't even get a substitute slot (no SB rating), and R/H might get one if O/W don't.
Top 24 WS has been guaranteed a spot for several years. O/W will move to Top 24 WS after it is adjusted and should be guaranteed one. Whether SC decides to keep a TBD spot open for a skate-off at USISC or Nebelhorn or to assign all three spots outright is just a few months away.
The Olympic Qualifier scores were part of the SB list for the 2009-10 season. Unless the rules change, Nebelhorn 2013 scores should count for the 2014-15 season. The winners of five-six early senior internationals have been put towards the bottom of the alternates list for the last couple of years, but that's only been relevant for Pairs, where Scimeca/Knierem got a GP assignment as the only team on left on the alternates list.
Well, I guess we'll have to see what happens. I think that if P/I impress at Thornhill (which they usually attend), perhaps at LPIDC, and maybe at a senior B event or two, they'll have a great shot at the Skate Canada spot. And what a fabulous chance that would be!
Now, at the risk of starting too many conversations at once, what do you guys think of possible music choices for next season? I always love speculating about those, because people come up with such lovely options! Of course, I'm almost always laughably off the mark, but it's still fun to do.
Always an excellent discussion topic!
There have been a few styles that I've had in mind, and a few pieces of music, but that doesn't necessarily overlap. There have been a few classical pieces that I've wanted a team to find a way to make ice dance-friendly, and P/I have the right qualities to accentuate a subtle piece of music. A couple of those:
Après un rêve - Gabriel Faure
Reverie - Claude Debussy (not a perfect performance, but I prefer an arrangement with strings to just solo piano)
But I've also been contemplating blues and modern, though don't really have music thoughts in either style yet. Something to let them demonstrate something new, though, while still emphasizing their strengths (connection as skaters, chemistry, musicality, line).
Ooh, I love the Gabriel Faure one!
Going completely in the opposite direction, I can't shake the idea of P/I going fully classical and choosing something from a ballet. I think it would be the perfect way to hi-light all of their strengths (softness, elegance, musicality) while bringing something to the table that very few people are actually doing right now. Some of my favourites...
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tessa & Scott do a ballet, since V&M haven't had a ballet competitive program, and Tessa has said she always wanted to do one in interviews. Consequently, with how competitive it is going to be for that third spot on the Olympic team at Canadians, I hope none of the other Canadian teams choose ballet-who would want to skate their ballet program back to back with Tessa & Scott's? Granted it worked out OK for C&L at Worlds with Carmen, but it isn't a comparison I'd seek if I were P&I.
You're probably right ,Doris ..but actually Alexandra's body is even more perfectly proportioned for classical ballet . Her arms, back and extension are to die for. However, they aren't in the same league with Tessa and Scott as an ice dance couple and given that they've already had to fend off accusations of merely being V/M wannabes, I think they should avoid anything too similar.
Massimo said last year, that DSC thought P/I had as yet only reached about 50% of their potential, so I'm hoping they continue to develop there and do hope to see a ballet themed program from them someday... Their wango from 2 yrs. ago showed me that they also really "get" the tango , as do Tessa and Scott, so since my wish of seeing a full tango FD from V/M is apparently not to be.....I'd like to see P/I do a tango , too. Mitch has really started to bring out his expression in the last year. He's really becoming a dancing partner as opposed to a partner.
skatingfan04 ..I think Alex would make an utterly ethereal Slyph .. Juliet wouldn't be bad ,either.
I think one of my main focuses for P/I next season, or at least going forward, actually, is versatility. They've established their strength in lyrical free dances, though 1900 really expanded their expression, but I'd be interested to see them try a more grounded style, to stretch themselves and to show they can dance even more than what they have so far. Their 2010-11 short dance was fantastic, though I feel like tangos often turn out better in short programs than as free dances... But that's where my interest for them in something edgier or grittier like the styles I'd mentioned comes in. Especially with a Finnstep-based short dance, a serious contrast for the free would be excellent.
Tango was going to be my next choice. The very first time I saw P/I skate in person, they skated their 'wango' and I was blown away. Like you said, they really got the style. Imagine what they could do with it now.
Wouldn't this be a fun and unique piece to use as part of the Finnstep SD?
Thanks! I like this
It's in 3/4 time according to the sheet music. It won't do.
The Finnstep must be in 2/4, the Quickstep is also 2/4, Foxtrot is 4/4, and Charleston is 4/4, so there's no match there.
Here's a couple of versions of something we might hear quite a bit of..
Not that I want to hear this piece , necessarily .. but they're fun..
Awesome! I can totally see a bunch of people using that next year!!
FYI, there seems to be another tumblr page dedicated to P/I.
Look what we have here...
Thank you to a wonderful P/I fan on tumblr!!
Is anyone attending the COS show tomorrow evening? I know Danielle Earl will be shooting the event, so looking forward to lovely new pictures. Also hoping for news of a new exhibition for P/I!
Yay! I LOVE Danielle Earl's photos! Can't wait! Unfortunately I can't attend the show, but I'm sure we would all appreciate reports from anyone who does.
Oh hi!!! You're all TOO sweet! I'm super excited to be at the show tonight - I'll do my best to provide some reports and get photos up quickly!
Thanx Daniskates93, I can't wait to see what you come up with. I love this team
Just back from the show, it was lovely! Thankfully I arrived early - just as Alex and Mitch were starting their practice run-through so I knew what side they were going to face at the beginning and end so I picked the right side to shoot from! They performed a modified version of their SD from this season without the yankee polka. It was lovely, of course!
Thanks! I love that program.
Upbeat interview backstage with Pj Kwong before the COS show : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qdgfexzMKU
PJ's also posted an accompanying blog entry: Catching Up With...Alexandra Paul and Mitch Islam
The rest of the show photos will be uploaded by the end of the day tomorrow! But I just finished Alex & Mitch's so I thought I'd share now! http://danielleearl.zenfolio.com/f969840871
That's terrific........glad for them
Weaver/Poje and Paul/Islam got Skate Canada. I wish I could go to see them!
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