Alexandra Paul & Mitchell Islam

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  1. Pratfall

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    David Wilson did this year's FD, Romain Haguenauer the SD. I think he also did their Jr. OD. Pavol Porac did last year's SD ( Regardless of the difficulties inherent in Wangos, I'd love to see him do a Tango FD for them , sometime..their tango expression is excellent )
     
  2. pani

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    I love this FD - i love music, i love choreo and i love lifts. I wish Wilson will work with V-M next season (if they didnt want to work with Dean :D)
     
  3. flowerpower

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    David Islam has been great about getting P/I outside choreo and exposing them to a range of excellent choreographers.

    He's a well-regarded coach, however I don't believe he has ever had a senior team competing at the Worlds level. P/I are the best team at their rink, so they don't have that experience of training alongside other top teams on a daily basis. OTOH I'm sure they are their coach's top priority.

    There are some pros and cons to their situation.
     
  4. skatingfan04

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    Agreed. I think the coaches are doing an excellent job with them, especially when it comes to getting good choreograhers for them. Their material has been excellent the past couple of seasons. Again, my only concern is that they're in isolation there.
     
  5. Bournekraatzfan

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    I agree. Their FD this year is one of my favourites this season...unexpected, intricate in a meaningful way (attending to the phrasing of the music--not just difficult for the sake of being difficult), and really showcasing their ability to work with the nuances of the music. Art. I just want to add that Kelly Johnson consulted with David Wilson on the choreo according to their ISU bio (and I believe Tracy Wilson mentioned this).

    I also loved their FD last year (and I never felt they were V&M clones). I feel so lucky to have seen it live at SC and wow...I was speechless. Like Tracy said later in the gala, you knew you were witnessing something special. I think Marie-France and Patch's work is very good and worked well on Alex and Mitch.

    I am delighted SC will send them to 4CC as the 4th and 5th place scores were very close. I really like both R&H and P&I, so I am excited to see them each compete at another event this season. Best of luck to them and all the 4CC participants!
     
  6. Bournekraatzfan

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    so glad you mentioned this. He certainly seems to have given them a solid foundation in terms of their skating skills. and I agree, they are certainly their coach's top priority.
     
  7. skatingfan04

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    Fingers crossed for 4CC!!!:D
     
  8. Pratfall

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    I hope RadioCanada is streaming again.. I'm so excited for this competition. ( So many teams I like ) I really hope P/I do well , to spur them on for next season.

    Great post upthread , skatingfan04 !;)
     
  9. skatingfan04

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    :D Not the greatest, buit still a step up. I'm a little peeved about the placement, but they seemed to be enjoying themselves for the first time this season, which was nice to see. At least they were able to get into the program.
     
  10. reese

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    I was surprised to see the score as low as it was today. So were they, I think.

    Everyone gives Alex crap about her dresses, but I think they are lovely.
     
  11. Proustable

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    They got hammered by a tough tech panel, but they need to work on this anyway. This is what loses them points (that and their relative lack of speed).
     
  12. eurodance2001

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    Judy was on the tech panel at Skate America during their disaster SD.. I would think she would try and credit as much as she could... P/I are so talented that they need a change in training environment as well as more speed..
     
  13. DORISPULASKI

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    ? The 4CC's tech panel also had a Canadian dancer Shae Zukowskiy on it. The third member Gordon Buchanan is British. It takes a majority vote if there is any dispute on the levels.

    The panel's job is to find all the problems with all the teams. They were pretty brutal to everyone, including the 4 top teams, so they did their job well. Furthermore, even more impressive, they gave credit to a Chinese team for getting a rhumba sequence right. So often lower ranked teams seem to not get credit for what they do do right.

    If Paul & Islam had been doing their rhumba correctly, they would have gotten the levels.

    It is not Judy Blumberg's job to encourage Paul & Islam, or any other team. It is her job, and the rest of the panel's job, to identify all problems that all the skaters have. And to give full levels to teams that do the elements correctly, and to assign correct levels.

    In fact, identifying problems is the first step to fixing them.
     
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    P/I? They flew across the ice today for most of the SD.
     
  15. pani

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    I feel sad fro Alex and Mitch. How they could be under H-D, who had fall at step sequence and mistake from Madi in twizzles? I missed something?
    And i hope no way Judy Blumberg will be at WCh. All skaters unhappy with there levels.
     
  16. DORISPULASKI

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    I think it is true that all the skaters are unhappy with their levels. There is an icenetwork article about the SD up that is almost entirely skaters wondering why rhumbas that were level 4 at GPF were less here.

    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120211&content_id=26664166&vkey=ice_news

    Scott Moir

    Kaitlyn Weaver

    Meryl Davis

    The Shibutanis

    Charlie White

    Elvin Walker has an article up at Golden Skate


    Clearly, there were two members in that panel, one Canadian, one American.
     
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  17. skatingfan04

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    What a night. I just want them to be able to put this season behind them and start fresh next fall.
     
  18. elle123

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    Really felt for them tonight, this season has been a rough one but hopefully they'll see Skate Canada sending them as a confidence boost since they could've easily sent R/H instead.

    Hoping them all the best moving forward and hope they come out healthy and strong next season!
     
  19. Pratfall

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    Their actual finish is probably pretty much what SC was hoping for them (5th or 6th ) in that field..but what a miserable competition...:( It was so awful to see so many struggling , the guys in particular, who have to expend the extra effort to lift their partners ( I was afraid Alex Shibutani wasn't going to get through their program ).

    On to brighter things , I hope.

    ETA..On top of the fall and the breathing difficulties , did anyone else think that Mitch was favouring his left thigh a bit, when they came off the ice ? I hope he's not injured , now.
     
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    This team has the worst luck. Mitchell Islam seems to have a hex on him. His previous partner suffered from severe asthma which limited their ability to compete. His current partner has had more than her share of injuries.
     
  21. skatingfan04

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    Hmm, I'll have to take a second look at that. I actually thought there might be trouble with his balance. He looked really off to me at nationals, teetering even in the lifts where he is usually so strong. Then the fall here, plus the fact that he once again looked off balance for the entire program. It just seems odd to me that he looked off balance two competitions in a row, especially since he was solid as a rock at the beginning of the season when Alexandra was struggling. I'm wondering if he's dealing with some health issues as well. I hope not. I don't know how much more bad luck these two can handle.
     
  22. Bournekraatzfan

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    I really feel for these two. I love their FD and felt that, even with the bobbles, they delivered it beautifully at Canadians. I wanted so badly for them to end this season with their best performance of this FD. It was very sad to see the looks on their faces in the KnC. Like others, I hope they can put this season behind them while carrying forward any lessons to be learned. I sincerely hope they have better luck in the future, as they are such a promising young team. Hang in there, Alex and Mitch.
     
  23. elle123

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    I concur. Regardless of their mistakes, they are a beautiful team to watch and I love how tender they seem towards each other. I would love for Kaitlyn and Andrew to have a heart to heart with this team because I feel like they've had their struggles as well and look how well they are doing now.
     
  24. pani

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    I think they need to learn to be a fighters. I think they need to go to Z-SH
     
  25. clarie

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    I think they did quite well in spite of the injuries this season and last. They have some "fight". They just didn't have enough time but if they stay injury free next season, they will make a move. I also think that spending part of their time training with others might benefit them even if they have to leave the country for a bit.
     
  26. skatingfan04

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    I was actually thinking the same thing. I was hoping that maybe W/P had taken the time to mentor P/I a bit since they were all at 4CC together. W/P are a perfect example of how success can come out of adversity, and I hope that P/I can follow their lead and just keep pushing forward.

    I have actually been impressed with them all season. In spite of everything they've come out time and time again and put on brave faces, despite the fact that youcould tell they were struggling. It has been particularly nice to see how caring they seem to be towards one another. It looks like they're really getting through this as a team, which speaks volumes about how strong their partnership must be and how much potential they have moving forward. I'm really hoping to see them at Thornhill in August (they withdrew this past summer due to injury but were in the crowd watching).
     
  27. pani

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    I wish V-M will be there coaches after 2014 OG :lol:
     
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    While I understand and share the angst over this season's missed opportunity to establish themselves as Canada #3, especially before Gilles/Poirier get international results, I don't understand the angst over their performances at 4C's. It's their first international competition since an injury-plagued Fall, and they had and maintained beautiful speed and flow in both programs, despite any flaws in them. They performed some beautiful lifts -- I noticed that he was actually on an edge during the one-footed lift section; I thought the men were always on flat for those -- and were very elegant throughout.

    Any skater at any level can catch a toe-pick during a program, especially when attacking from speed, and it's happened to the best.
     
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