Alexandra Paul & Mitchell Islam

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  1. Proustable

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    They got hammered by a tough tech panel, but they need to work on this anyway. This is what loses them points (that and their relative lack of speed).
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    Judy was on the tech panel at Skate America during their disaster SD.. I would think she would try and credit as much as she could... P/I are so talented that they need a change in training environment as well as more speed..
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    ? The 4CC's tech panel also had a Canadian dancer Shae Zukowskiy on it. The third member Gordon Buchanan is British. It takes a majority vote if there is any dispute on the levels.

    The panel's job is to find all the problems with all the teams. They were pretty brutal to everyone, including the 4 top teams, so they did their job well. Furthermore, even more impressive, they gave credit to a Chinese team for getting a rhumba sequence right. So often lower ranked teams seem to not get credit for what they do do right.

    If Paul & Islam had been doing their rhumba correctly, they would have gotten the levels.

    It is not Judy Blumberg's job to encourage Paul & Islam, or any other team. It is her job, and the rest of the panel's job, to identify all problems that all the skaters have. And to give full levels to teams that do the elements correctly, and to assign correct levels.

    In fact, identifying problems is the first step to fixing them.
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    P/I? They flew across the ice today for most of the SD.
  5. pani

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    I feel sad fro Alex and Mitch. How they could be under H-D, who had fall at step sequence and mistake from Madi in twizzles? I missed something?
    And i hope no way Judy Blumberg will be at WCh. All skaters unhappy with there levels.
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    I think it is true that all the skaters are unhappy with their levels. There is an icenetwork article about the SD up that is almost entirely skaters wondering why rhumbas that were level 4 at GPF were less here.

    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120211&content_id=26664166&vkey=ice_news

    Scott Moir

    Kaitlyn Weaver

    Meryl Davis

    The Shibutanis

    Charlie White

    Elvin Walker has an article up at Golden Skate


    Clearly, there were two members in that panel, one Canadian, one American.
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  7. skatingfan04

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    What a night. I just want them to be able to put this season behind them and start fresh next fall.
  8. elle123

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    Really felt for them tonight, this season has been a rough one but hopefully they'll see Skate Canada sending them as a confidence boost since they could've easily sent R/H instead.

    Hoping them all the best moving forward and hope they come out healthy and strong next season!
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    Their actual finish is probably pretty much what SC was hoping for them (5th or 6th ) in that field..but what a miserable competition...:( It was so awful to see so many struggling , the guys in particular, who have to expend the extra effort to lift their partners ( I was afraid Alex Shibutani wasn't going to get through their program ).

    On to brighter things , I hope.

    ETA..On top of the fall and the breathing difficulties , did anyone else think that Mitch was favouring his left thigh a bit, when they came off the ice ? I hope he's not injured , now.
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  10. euterpe

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    This team has the worst luck. Mitchell Islam seems to have a hex on him. His previous partner suffered from severe asthma which limited their ability to compete. His current partner has had more than her share of injuries.
  11. skatingfan04

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    Hmm, I'll have to take a second look at that. I actually thought there might be trouble with his balance. He looked really off to me at nationals, teetering even in the lifts where he is usually so strong. Then the fall here, plus the fact that he once again looked off balance for the entire program. It just seems odd to me that he looked off balance two competitions in a row, especially since he was solid as a rock at the beginning of the season when Alexandra was struggling. I'm wondering if he's dealing with some health issues as well. I hope not. I don't know how much more bad luck these two can handle.
  12. Bournekraatzfan

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    I really feel for these two. I love their FD and felt that, even with the bobbles, they delivered it beautifully at Canadians. I wanted so badly for them to end this season with their best performance of this FD. It was very sad to see the looks on their faces in the KnC. Like others, I hope they can put this season behind them while carrying forward any lessons to be learned. I sincerely hope they have better luck in the future, as they are such a promising young team. Hang in there, Alex and Mitch.
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    I concur. Regardless of their mistakes, they are a beautiful team to watch and I love how tender they seem towards each other. I would love for Kaitlyn and Andrew to have a heart to heart with this team because I feel like they've had their struggles as well and look how well they are doing now.
  14. pani

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    I think they need to learn to be a fighters. I think they need to go to Z-SH
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    I think they did quite well in spite of the injuries this season and last. They have some "fight". They just didn't have enough time but if they stay injury free next season, they will make a move. I also think that spending part of their time training with others might benefit them even if they have to leave the country for a bit.
  16. skatingfan04

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    I was actually thinking the same thing. I was hoping that maybe W/P had taken the time to mentor P/I a bit since they were all at 4CC together. W/P are a perfect example of how success can come out of adversity, and I hope that P/I can follow their lead and just keep pushing forward.

    I have actually been impressed with them all season. In spite of everything they've come out time and time again and put on brave faces, despite the fact that youcould tell they were struggling. It has been particularly nice to see how caring they seem to be towards one another. It looks like they're really getting through this as a team, which speaks volumes about how strong their partnership must be and how much potential they have moving forward. I'm really hoping to see them at Thornhill in August (they withdrew this past summer due to injury but were in the crowd watching).
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    I wish V-M will be there coaches after 2014 OG :lol:
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    While I understand and share the angst over this season's missed opportunity to establish themselves as Canada #3, especially before Gilles/Poirier get international results, I don't understand the angst over their performances at 4C's. It's their first international competition since an injury-plagued Fall, and they had and maintained beautiful speed and flow in both programs, despite any flaws in them. They performed some beautiful lifts -- I noticed that he was actually on an edge during the one-footed lift section; I thought the men were always on flat for those -- and were very elegant throughout.

    Any skater at any level can catch a toe-pick during a program, especially when attacking from speed, and it's happened to the best.
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    I should have been more specific and said "straightline lifts" -- White would have gotten no where on a flat in that lift :)
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    I daresay this is stupid of me, but if you're on an edge, isn't it technically going to be a curved lift rather than an straight line lift? Because on edge, you're going to have at least some kind of long shallow curve if you're on an edge at all.??
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    From behind, he looked like he lifted her going straight down the ice, but was slightly tilted on an edge. That was what surprised me. He wasn't trying to swing her around, like White did Davis in the example you gave.
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    ITA, and I am so impressed they could perform as well as they did given the lack of training time along with everything else they had to deal with. Skaters who have had sufficient training found it difficult to cope with the altitude, so I cannot even imagine how Alex and Paul felt. I was so impressed that they got through that program. I just felt bad that they had those mistakes because they looked a bit dejected when they left the ice. I can't wait to see them next season (though I am sad to say goodbye to this season's programs). I, too, hope to attend Thornhill. Until then, I will be rewatching their captivating FD from Canadians. Go Alex and Mitch!
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  25. skatingfan04

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    Just wanted to add that I ADORE P/I's lifts. All of them. I honestly thing Mitchell is one of the best lifters in the world. He has an uncanny ability to make Alexandra look weightless, and makes the entries and exits to their lift look so seamless. And of course, her posture, carriage and extensions in the lifts are always stunning. My personal favourite from this season is the rotational lift they do before going into the diagonal step sequence in the FD. He barely even bends over, and she's already flying effortlessly through the air. It's really amazing.
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    On a more superficial note, if Islam had curls, Adam Rippon would have competition for the most angelic face.
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    Now that this season is in the books, I can't help but think ahead.

    I'm trying to figure out what a Yankee Polka SD would look like, but I can't seem to picture it. Heck, I'm not even sure what music you would use for something like this, aside from a full out traditional polka. Does anyone happen to know what other styles will be allowed in conjunction?
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    March & waltz, same as for the Grand Ball OD in 2003.

    Strictly speaking, a shortened version of Der Fledermaus would work well. (And I hope to heck Meryl & Charlie DON'T DO IT.
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    March? :confused: Like, a full out military march a la John Phillip Sousa? (Sorry, I'm an orchestra musician. To me, march means, well, a march.) Is that really even danceable? I can see how a waltz would work, though.
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    The 2003 OD was generally not to Sousa marches, since the music was supposed to be appropriate for a Grand Ball, not a public march, but Strauss II wrote a bunch of marches and gallops, the most famous of which is the Radetzky March. Another famous piece is the Tritsch-Tratsch-Polka. They're almost always played on the PBS New Year's special from Vienna.

    I found this list of Strauss works:
    http://www.johann-strauss.org.uk/strauss.php?id=124
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    Navka & Kostamarov used a more explicitly military march in the second half of their 2003 Worlds OD:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNwbPJ0Gy1o

    I like this one too :)


    Chait & Sakhonovsky also included a march.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCU4YArU2Gw&feature=related

    Faiella & Scali did a waltz & a gallop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJndbIXI68k

    Winkler & Lohse did march, waltz & polka
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ji16WetfE

    Bourne & Kraatz, Belbin & Agosto, Dubreuil & Lauzon, Delobel & Schoenfelder, and Lobacheva & Averbukh all did waltz and polka.
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    Ah, I see how that would work. Thanks so much for the info. :D
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    Any music ideas? I'm stumped.
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    I'm not sure what the exact music is, but Balanchine used a fierce drums only segment for the "MacDonald of Sleat" movement in "Union Jack"
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    It seems P/I were in another show a couple of days ago in Peterborough (Ontario). Here's an article about the event.

    http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3473467

    The cast list was quite amazing (Kurt Browning, Elvis Stojko, Sale & Pelletier, etc.) I really wish they would advertise these shows better. This sounds like it was a really good one, and I had no idea it even existed.:(
  37. elle123

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    I remember PJ Kwong tweeting about this event but unfortunately, I don't live near Peterborough.
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    It would be wonderful if CSOI could add a local skater or two to the roster to "introduce" the skaters to the local audience. I think P/I would make a lovely addition to CSOI.
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    I think it would be great to do this with the junior champion. In 2010 it would have been great for the Vancouver show to have Liam Firus and this year they could have Mitchell Gordon. Introducing fans to the Junior National Champion who lives in the area would be fabulous.
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  40. skatingfan04

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    I would love that. Too bad it never happens :(