Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Jenya, Apr 1, 2013.
Caitlin Yankowskas should call him.
I love Yagudin's skating, believe me. But Abt was robbed, and Alexei also knew it.
He was a gorgeous skater so smooth just beautiful to watch. He was also very musical I loved his skating -- I never got tired of watching him even with falls he always kept my attention!
If state-controlled Belarusian media report it, it has got to be true!
One of my favourite skaters, ever! His camel spin position was just perfect!
You don't know how much I wish it was true. 'Artsakh' might well be my fave men's SP ever.
And I concur with those who feel he was robbed of the 2002 Euro title.
On another note, was I the only one who liked Timchenko?
If he were, I was going to suggest Johnny give him a try out . Galina really doesn't seem to have worked out all that well. Not sure who is at fault. Maybe both.
You're right, gkelly, those people too.
Nope.. Jesus Christ Superstar with the blood on the shirt rocked
I wish Abt had switched to ice dance years ago. Wasn't his (ex?) wife an ice dancer?
Do it Caitlin!!! Do it for all of us!
Eys, that was effin awesome !
Yup, Elena Pavlova skated with her brother Alexander at the junior level.
Doesn't he have a son? Maybe his son is skating pairs?? who knows. I hate the off-season.
Haha, it just started. Off season can be pretty trying for us fans, but it's always worse right before and right after the Olympic season.
Abt said he would never let his son be a figure skater. I'm guessing due to all the injuries, though I think his son plays hockey.
His son has skated at least some (he competed at the Juvenile level in 2009-2010, but I don't know if he's skating anymore)
I had been wondering about this too. Last information I could find is he is listed as a coach at
Aviator Sports in Brooklyn, NY
His (ex?) wife is still listed at Ice House in NJ. She is listed under her maiden name now, not Abt.
I really liked Timchenko too...wonder what he is doing now.
Also, I did watch the video on the news site...can anyone translate what Sasha is saying?
Timchenko was coaching in the U.S. for a while, Virginia I think? Maryland? Anyway, I believe he's been back in Moscow for about 2 years now. Not sure if coaching or other work/school.
Oh, very cool. I hope he has his dad's edges and camel spin.
Abt smoked so did many Russian skaters. Actually some coaches till today encourage their students to smoke to lose weight. I don`t think it would have helped his jumps to stop smoking and risk gaining 20 pounds. Not defending smoking, but I think stopping it as an eligible skater is pretty much difficult. Sasha liked to party and to drink so did other skaters, actually I know about at least two very successful Russian elite skaters who did incredibly stupid things during their eligible years when being drunk (one of them was even banned from competition for a while).
While I won`t argue that he probably did too much + after turning pro and that his professional career might have been more successful, I don`t think that this prevented bigger success in eligible years. It`s not like he skated drunk at competition. Do you really think he won less medals at major ISU championships due to ? Maybe he would have been 5th instead of 6th of 7th instead of 8th with less party & practicing a bit more, but I it would not have changed his medal count as far as major events are concerned.
Personally Im as annoyed with drinking & laziness and smoking coming up each time when Abts amateur career is assessed as with the all the references regarding his look. Im not defending him as the hardest worker, but there were a lot of other skaters who Ive seen running out of steam and lacking stamina, who still won big medals. The main factors which hampered his career were definitely severe injury with bad timing and lack of support of his own fed.
Actually Sasha has shown a tremendous amount of discipline when he came back the way he did after an injury he sustained less than two year's before Nagano Olympics and which was actually deemed to be career ending he must have worked his butt off. And what happened? Despite skating two clean programmes at 1998 RN where he should have placed 2nd, he was 4th with no chance to make the Olympic team and behind Yagudin who pulled of a Chan in the free skate with acting as a human Zamboni and doubling out most of his jumps. I think it must be pretty hard to motivate yourself to train hard when your own fed has already given you a message it won`t pay off.
Pesumably it`s just easier and more comforting to believe that success it only a product of hard work and that lack of success is the result of lack of such hard work, but life isnt that easy. - Yes, you won`t be successful without hard work, but in most cases where people are really successful, it was hard work but also a good portion of luck.
Well, as far as Sashas pro-career is concerned even as a big fan I agree that more discipline certainly would not have harmed him. For his eligible career as mentioned I dont think his results would have changed big time. The few occasions where he skated better than Alexej or Plushy after 1998 he was robbed each time anyways. I don`t think this is helpful for mental motivation. Beside that Arutunian and Zhulin both seem to be quite demanding coaches and in interviews both of them made statements that Sasha is professional, hard working and easy to coach.
In the 2001-02 season one of the reasons why Sasha worked harder was of course also that he was finally healthy and that he had better training conditions. Rafael Arutunian, his former coach, mentioned more than once that Sasha had very bad training conditions in Russia, e.g. no ice time (if I remember correctly, it once was only 1-2 hours per day!) and this partly caused by bad relations of coach & skater with Russian Fed. So lack of training was also caused by lack of good training conditions.
So true! The warming up of the edges
While Sasha really seemed to tense up in competition, in practice everything looked so easy. And when he was on, you could see how much he enjoyed being on the ice. - It was actually that impression of ease, freedom and joy that inspired me to start skating as an adult some time ago and I didn`t regret. I simply love it! Though it of course turned out quickly that the tricks were not as easy as they looked when elite skaters do them.
And we all know that hockey is less dangerous than figure skating.
I think it was not only injury, but also that Sasha knew its a very hard job but that hard work very often does not pay off in skating and that its even harder to skate when both of your parents were figure skaters. Even though Makar was enrolled in figure skating for about 2 years but then stopped (though he seemed to have talent) and switched to hockey and sticked with it up to now. Well, Sasha actually wanted to become a hockey player before he started with figure skating and I think I red once in German Skating Magazine that he not only works as a figure skating coach, but that he also teaches hockey classes.
I would love to translate, but for some reason I cannot open that clip. So annyoing.
Will try from another computer tomorrow - if it works I'll do the translation.
I love Abt's skating, in my heart he's another Jeremy Abbott, or Jeremy Abbott is another Abt whatever, but they definitely have their own problems. I don't understand why it seems that some people here blame something else more than himself? Yes Abt competed during a period when the men's field was pretty deep, but who else during that period did not? He had a severe injury in the summer of 1996, that's very unfortunate. But what about before that?
Take a look at his junior worlds records, he got 2nd place first time(pretty impressive), got 7th the second year, and then got 8th at his third JWs, a 13 year old Yagudin even placed 4th that time. Quite often posters on this board moan that he couldn't do well because he had to compete against Urmanov, kulik, Yagudin and Plushenko, but Urmanov and Plushenko weren't even there at 93-94 JWs, kulik placed behind him, Yagudin placed way above him. I can't see it's anyone else's fault.
And RNs, he placed 4th twice and then 18th in 1995? What happened? I don't think the RF supported other young guns more than Abt by that time yet.
His international GP records were not as good as the others either during the 97-98 season. These guys did not even compete at the same GP events, I don't think anyone from Russian team robbed him.
Why I have this feeling that if he skated at his international competitions better than his teammates most of the time instead of just
, then even his lower placement at RNs shouldn't really matter?
I get this picture that the pro tours in the 90s were full of parties, booze and craziness? I didn't know Abt was this kind of party animal, I just read about Bowman and wasn't Yagudin also a quite a party man (especially with ladies).
The skaters nowadays can't afford that kind of behavior and maybe they don't get that much money to spend while on tour.
The rumours circulated said the reason for some of his injuries were being drunk on the ice. Apparently having 2 sharp blades attached to your feet when dead drunk is not smart. Who would have though (not Abt, obviously)
As for the video - it seems he was giving some kind of master class in Minsk and jokingly said in front of the camera he is trying pairs. A nice 1/4 thing to say.
That makes much more sense.
And often, more likely than not, the open season can be trying too lol
YOu must have not been around when Abt got drunk on an international flight and caused problems. There was actually a vid on you tube (since removed) which recorded his behavior,
Thanks - the video wouldn't work on my computer so I was just going off of the article.