Alena Leonova wins Russian competition ( possible 3rd Worlds spot decider )

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you. I would send Gosviani to Worlds without any skate-offs because 6th place was a very good result for her. But since they have done the skate-off, it wouldn't be fair to Leonova to stay home.
     
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  2. Marco

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    Depends on what they are trying to monitor. Are they trying to see who wins head to head, or are they just trying to test if Gosviani's Euros outing was a fluke.

    If it is the former, Leonova goes. If it is the latter, Gosviani still has a chance and it still wouldn't be unfair to Leonova.

    I mean, after Nationals, 2 things happened: (1) Leonova beat Gosviani at a domestic event and (2) Gosviani skated well at her international to qualify for Euros and placed well at Euros. How much importance is attached to each of these 2 situations in addition to Nationals and Leonova's poor season so far?
     
  3. Skater91

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    Really, I wish that Polina Korobeynikova could have held it together enough to win.

    I think she has the best jumps of the lot and she started off strong in the event but totally fell apart at the end of her long program.

    I know last year she fell apart at worlds but I think she has a lot of good stuff going for her!
     
  4. Ziggy

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    Marco - good point. Gosviani didn't win here but she did give decent performances with a more or less clean short and ok enough free. And it will be up to Tuk and Sot to win 3 Sochi spots anyhow, neither Leonova nor Gosviani are likely to factor in here.

    Skater91- Korobeynikova has been falling at each competition since 2012 Euros, I'm afraid.
     
  5. Marco

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    And even there, she bombed the short.

    I liked her a lot last season, but somehow I wonder if it was the Otonal music that made her skating appear better than it really was. If that was the case, perhaps her next music should be Turandot (another piece of music that makes someone's skating appear better than what it actually is).

    Either that, or Volchkova is too busy nursing her baby to provide proper coaching and support to her. All of her students have regressed this season. She especially lost the fliptoe combo and lutz.
     
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  6. Skater91

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    Watching at cup of nice 2012 she put out a pretty good performance for her considering her flops all over the place....

    The worst part about her flopping all the time for me is that her jumps can be really good, she just never does them!
     
  7. zgr4088

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    But I believe Russian federation will send leonova to worlds since Nichole already got euro. Leonova last season's achievements are superb. Who knows what will happen next season
     
  8. luckiest1

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    When will they make the final decision? I am so happy that Leonova might come to Worlds!
     
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Ah! Now I see - thank you! :D
     
  11. Marco

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    I just watched the performances of Leonova and Gosviani and wondered why Gosviani didn't beat Leonova outright instead. Are there protocols and break down of scores available anywhere?

    I saw solid jumping from Gosviani but for 2 botches on doubles. She landed a 3/3 and 7 triples in total (some were very slightly URed but surely under 1/4 turn, perhaps the final 3toe is < or even <<-worthy though). Leonova on the other hand toe-axelled and squeaked out all the 2toes and had a Lavrenchuk setup to the loop. 5 triples in total and nothing more than a 3lutz2toe-axel. Spins were equally lackluster for both. Gosviani displayed decent CH, TR and IN whereas Leonova really had none of those. Why she bothered to change the music when she completely ignored it is beyond me. Leonova notably had very poor ice coverage and only displayed the simplest of SS with her always 2 footed skating and no change in direction.

    I am very perplexed. Did Leonova win on TES or PCS? Neither is reasonable IMO. Please tell me many of Gosviani's jumps were <ed by a strict caller and perhaps I could understand the results a little better.
     
  12. Sylvia

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    I haven't found a link to detailed protocols yet.

    SP results comparison: http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1213/crfinal/SEG013.HTM
    3 &#1053;&#1080;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100; &#1043;&#1054;&#1057;&#1042;&#1048;&#1071;&#1053;&#1048; Gosviani 60.09 30.61 B 29.48 7.30 7.05 7.40 7.55 7.55 0.00 #9
    4 &#1040;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1072; &#1051;&#1045;&#1054;&#1053;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; Leonova 57.90 27.42 30.48 7.60 7.40 7.55 7.80 7.75 0.00 #4

    FS results comparison: http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1213/crfinal/SEG014.HTM
    1 &#1040;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1072; &#1051;&#1045;&#1054;&#1053;&#1054;BA Leonova 114.09 53.85 60.24 7.60 7.35 7.45 7.60 7.65 0.00 #6
    4 &#1053;&#1080;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100; &#1043;&#1054;&#1057;&#1042;&#1048;&#1071;&#1053;&#1048; Gosviani 105.97 47.57 58.40 7.35 7.05 7.20 7.45 7.45 0.00 #9
     
  13. Sedge

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    I haven't watched the FP of Gosviani yet.
    Her SP youtube showed very slow skating and a wrap leg on all jumps. She may have taken minuses on her jump GOE's.
    I know Leonova has quality issues as well.
    I was quite surprised to see how 'Junior' Gosviani's skating appeared in the SP.
     
  14. Autumn_girl

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    Nicole's second jumps on 3F-3T combo and single 3F were marked <, also 2T at the end of 3T-2T was <<. And the levels of other elements aren't great either, steps and layback got only level two. Leonova's levels were better and she got full credit for all of her jumps, even though half of them got negative GOE
     
  15. Sylvia

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    Autumn_girl, is a link to the detailed protocols available yet?
     
  16. l'etoile

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    I believe this is the final result including protocols: http://fsrussia.ru/upl/ckeditor/35120.pdf

    It is really long since all disciplines' results are all listed.

    Ladies SP scores:
    1 Evgenia Gerasimova &#1045;&#1074;&#1075;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1103; &#1043;&#1045;&#1056;&#1040;&#1057;&#1048;&#1052;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 64.89 37.49 27.40 6.75 6.50 6.95 7.05 7.00 0.00
    2 Polina Korobeinikova &#1055;&#1086;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1050;&#1054;&#1056;&#1054;&#1041;&#1045;&#1049;&#1053;&#1048;&#1050;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 61.48 33.16 28.32 7.10 6.85 7.10 7.15 7.20 0.00
    3 Nikol Gosviani &#1053;&#1080;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100; &#1043;&#1054;&#1057;&#1042;&#1048;&#1071;&#1053;&#1048; 60.09 30.61 29.48 7.30 7.05 7.40 7.55 7.55 0.00
    4 Alena Leonova &#1040;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1072; &#1051;&#1045;&#1054;&#1053;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 57.90 27.42 30.48 7.60 7.40 7.55 7.80 7.75 0.00
    5 Polina Agafonova &#1055;&#1086;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1040;&#1043;&#1040;&#1060;&#1054;&#1053;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 57.81 31.05 26.76 6.70 6.45 6.80 6.80 6.70 0.00
    6 Sofia Biryukova &#1057;&#1086;&#1092;&#1100;&#1103; &#1041;&#1048;&#1056;&#1070;&#1050;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 51.26 23.50 27.76 6.95 6.65 6.90 7.15 7.05 0.00
    7 Alina Maksimova &#1040;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1052;&#1040;&#1050;&#1057;&#1048;&#1052;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 50.74 28.34 23.40 6.00 5.60 5.75 5.95 5.95 1.00
    8 Tatiana Fedoseeva &#1058;&#1072;&#1090;&#1100;&#1103;&#1085;&#1072; &#1060;&#1045;&#1044;&#1054;&#1057;&#1045;&#1045;&#1042;&#1040; 50.56 28.64 21.92 5.50 5.30 5.50 5.60 5.50 0.00
    9 Alsu Kayumova &#1040;&#1083;&#1089;&#1091; &#1050;&#1040;&#1070;&#1052;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 48.14 26.02 22.12 5.60 5.30 5.50 5.75 5.50 0.00
    10 Valentina Chernyshova &#1042;&#1072;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1063;&#1045;&#1056;&#1053;&#1067;&#1064;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 47.41 22.61 25.80 6.55 6.25 6.20 6.70 6.55 1.00

    Alena's SP TES
    1. 3T+3T< < 7.00 -0.98 -1 -2 -1 -1 -2 -1 -2 - - 6.02
    2 3F 5.30 -1.40 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 - - 3.90
    3 2A 3.30 -0.50 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 -1 - - 2.80
    4 LSp3 2.40 0.50 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 - - 2.90
    5 StSq3 3.30 1.00 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 - - 4.30
    6 FCSp3 2.80 0.70 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 - - 3.50
    7 CCoSp4 3.50 0.50 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 - - 4.00



    Ladies FS scores
    1 &#1040;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1072; &#1051;&#1045;&#1054;&#1053;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 114.09 53.85 60.24 7.60 7.35 7.45 7.60 7.65 0.00
    2 &#1055;&#1086;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1040;&#1043;&#1040;&#1060;&#1054;&#1053;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 111.79 55.87 55.92 6.95 6.80 7.15 7.00 7.05 0.00
    3 &#1040;&#1083;&#1089;&#1091; &#1050;&#1040;&#1070;&#1052;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 110.11 63.47 46.64 6.00 5.65 5.85 5.85 5.80 0.00
    4 &#1053;&#1080;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100; &#1043;&#1054;&#1057;&#1042;&#1048;&#1071;&#1053;&#1048; 105.97 47.57 58.40 7.35 7.05 7.20 7.45 7.45 0.00
    5 &#1045;&#1074;&#1075;&#1077;&#1085;&#1080;&#1103; &#1043;&#1045;&#1056;&#1040;&#1057;&#1048;&#1052;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 100.10 47.54 54.56 6.90 6.75 6.70 7.00 6.75 2.00
    6 &#1055;&#1086;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1050;&#1054;&#1056;&#1054;&#1041;&#1045;&#1049;&#1053;&#1048;&#1050;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 96.58 45.10 52.48 6.75 6.55 6.25 6.75 6.50 1.00
    7 &#1042;&#1072;&#1083;&#1077;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1063;&#1045;&#1056;&#1053;&#1067;&#1064;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 94.53 44.13 50.40 6.45 6.20 6.15 6.45 6.25 0.00
    8 &#1058;&#1072;&#1090;&#1100;&#1103;&#1085;&#1072; &#1060;&#1045;&#1044;&#1054;&#1057;&#1045;&#1045;&#1042;&#1040; 91.12 48.28 43.84 5.65 5.30 5.45 5.45 5.55 1.00
    9 &#1040;&#1083;&#1080;&#1085;&#1072; &#1052;&#1040;&#1050;&#1057;&#1048;&#1052;&#1054;&#1042;&#1040; 81.23 40.95 43.28 5.75 5.25 5.25 5.50 5.30 3.00


    Alena's FS TES
    1 3T 4.10 -1.40 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 - - 2.70
    2 3Lo 5.10 0.70 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 - - 5.80
    3 3Lz+2T e 7.30 -0.84 -1 -1 -1 -2 -1 -1 -2 - - 6.46
    4 FCSp3 2.80 0.50 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 - - 3.30
    5 3F+2T 6.60 -0.70 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 - - 5.90
    6 3S+2T 6.05 x -0.70 -1 -1 -2 -1 0 0 -2 - - 5.35
    7 3F 5.83 x 0.28 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 - - 6.11
    8 2A 3.63 x 0.30 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 - - 3.93
    9 StSq3 3.30 0.80 1 2 1 2 2 2 1 - - 4.10
    10 ChSq1 2.00 0.70 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 - - 2.70
    11 CCoSp4 3.50 0.50 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 - - 4.00
    12 CSSp4 3.00 0.50 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 - - 3.50
    53.21 ------- 53.85
     
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  17. Sylvia

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    why everyone is so low sotnikova place? in my opinion it would be in the top five at world championships
    :hat1:
     
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  19. Ziggy

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    She's never been consistent.
     
  20. MR-FAN

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    There was a time when she was THE definition of consistency.

    And then she grew :shuffle:
     
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    That's not entirely true. She was very consistent the season she won Junior Worlds (I think she fell like, once). She has been adjusting to puberty and growth since.
     
  22. Ziggy

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    Yes thank you for the history lesson, you are both right of course. :p
     
  23. rfisher

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    Don't be dissing our girl, Ziggy. :revenge:
     
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    can someone explain what is a toe-axel?
    how do you guys notice it? thanks in advance
     
  26. antmanb

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    When skaters do a toe-loop, (for anti-clockwise skaters) they jump from a RBO edge, with a toe assist from the left foot. The left toe-pick should pick into the ice straight back (though on multi rotational jumps, the toe goes in at a slight angle but more or less still backwards). If a skater toe axels, they'll open the left side up and plant the toe-pick into the ice facing forwards and spring up to the jump from that position, so that it is much more like they have done an axel instead of a double toe (or double axel if it is a triple toe-loop attempt).

    The one skater that stands out as having a toe-axel was Mao's sister Mai Asada. In trying to find footage of her toe-loops I found her world juniors LP from 2003 in which she attempted 3A-2T (i didn't remember Mai trying the 3A too!). If you go to the end of the clip here you can see how she puts the toe in forwards http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PcNa89WPaQ
     
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    I don't know about that - the 3F+3T looked good to me - and if you watch it in slow motion at the end, the pick in on the 3T is about right - her body is still facing in the right direction and the toe isn't turned out more than about 1/3 which is is fairly normal. The 3T on the back of the 3Lz is more open and could arguably be a toe-axel.
     
  29. Ziggy

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    Yes, seeing those protocols, I take back what I said.

    Leonova has been ridiculously overmarked. There is no way she deserved those PCS for those weak, uninspired performances and the GOEs were very questionable as well.
     
  30. caseyedwards

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    her goe on jumps was almost all negative and pcs barely higher then agafanova lol. For some people I guess only 1's or 2's would make sense for leonova.