Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by oleada, Feb 9, 2011.
White Anti Chinese
oleada, your anti-Chinese skater ranting is soooo offensive!
Indeed, buh-bye, dumbass Just a reincarnation of a stupid, old troll. Wonder when it will be back.
It's too stupid to do anything but laugh at it
Kicked out on valentine's day. Oh, the irony.
I have been catching up on this thread and am so impressed by the members of this skating board. Throughout the lengthy thread, there is always been excellent evidence presented to back up the accusations and now it's actually being heard and reacted to by the powers that be. Great job everyone.
I do have sympathy for the Chinese skaters though. You know they have little to no choice in what happens to them.
The pairs medals in 2009/2010 and even this season would go through such a transformation! Sui/han won so much! If their medals were taken away and redistributed-whoa!
I was so stoked to see this story as one of the Top Stories on Yahoo!News today. I knew that the origins of the story came from here. Kudos to FSU!
I don't think medals should be just stripped. I actually think the athletes should have a ban for every year they competed when they weren't suppose to. Sui and Han shouldn't be allowed to compete IMO till 2013, only then would the playing field really "be even."
The medals should be stripped and record book changed, we would expect nothing less if they were charged with doping. They need to be fined and banned at least 4 years.
Doping can be an accident like in the case of Yuri Larionov, but I don't care if you are 13, 16 or 19, you know when your birthday is. The federations need to know the sporting community won't put up with cheaters no matter if you are a federation, athlete, coach or parent.
China has had time to clean up it's act or be caught again and they don't seem to care. It hurts the reputations of the athletes from China that did play by the rules, those are the ones I feel sorry for.
I love you.
Not only redistributing what they won and what they shouldn't have been eligible for but I bet if you recalculate the numbers for the GPF there would have been movement there too, T/T getting in and I/M getting the bronze.
Stolbova/Klimov would have still gone to the Jr GPF but they would have won.
What a mess
Wow, Oleada. I didn't know you had a long history of being anti-Chinese all over the internet! Must have happened recently!
At the end of the day, expect there will be no punishment.
So, a Chinese friend of mine told me that on the Chinese figure skating forum, people are saying that it must be the russian, US, Canadian Feds that are jealous of the kinds of talents that China is having, so they make up this rumor about chinese skaters so their skaters can win competitions......
An expected reaction. I just don't see anything to be jealous of. It's not like Chinese skaters are anywhere nearly as successful as their gymnasts. One of the reasons for perpetrating age fraud (IF the Chinese fed is guilty of it) might have been the fact that, after initial huge promise, Chinese skating program is currently far from being in a a stellar state. Pairs seems to be a bright spot, sort of. But Z/Z's career has floundered, P/T are aging out slowly but surely, and the Chinese Fed needed to put S/Z back on the competition circuit to guarantee the gold in Vancouver. Singles started fabulously with Chen Lu's success and, later, with Chinese men landing quads and getting into elite ranks, and look at the Chinese single skaters' placements recently. Ice dance isn't progressing much either. Sui/Han is the only realistic medal hope for them at the moment. The Federation must be feeling tremendous pressure for not delivering enough. They need to show success - any success, anywhere, by any means.
Another two discrepencies found in 2007/10/29 document.... Chinese seems to be REALLY bad at math, though ironic it sounds.
ISU bio: 19.06.1996
ISU Bio: 02.02.1992
And Han Yan as mentioned before.
ISU bio: 06.03.1996
Amazing how many discrepencies we can find just in 2007/10/29 document!
China's ruling body launches probe into questioned figure skaters' age
Wow, you can just smell the ink from the passport mill.
On a selfish note, I hope they just hold S/H back a year. They have a wonderful personality and spark on the ice and I'd hate to see her hurt. Although, she will probably outgrow him.
Well done all FSU posters who used facts and not speculation to bring this to light. Regardless of what happens officially, the ISU and all the federations will know.
I think they should just throw the age restrictions out, as the alledged reason for them, doesn't seem to be working. I was amazed at the jump content of some of the below senior status competitors at US Nationals. Where is the protection of the health of the skater? No better than it was before imo.
I know english isn't Dr. Rogge's first language, but the word "solved" doesn't inspire me very much. That's not the word you use when you suspect someone of cheating and want to root out the cheaters. That's a word you use when you have a problem and you want to stop the problem from being, well, problematic.
OTOH, no one can accuse him of a rush to judgment
For selfish reasons I wish they would just move the GP event from China back to Germany! Screw them. I'd go to Germany before I'd go to China.
If it is moved to Germany, three GPs are in Europe. It is unfair. It should be moved to Korea because of Yuna.
Europe: Russia, France
America: U.S., Canada
Asia: Japan, Korea
No, busloads of Yunabots reach even the remotest corners of the world when she is skating there, wreaking havoc and insulting aesthetic sensibilities of other FS fans. Who wants to go and spend time with Yunabots in their natural habitat?! Plus, Brian Orser wouldn't be bringing any of his skaters to the Land of the Morning Yuna
To be fair, fans in South Korea are very supportive, evident from the ice show from Hyundai card/IMG every year wherein Yuna didn't even participate. It's not like Yuna will be competing in GP series anyway. Korea will be perfect location. And who cares about Brian Orser not bringing his skaters, as if they're very special.
I will NEVER attend another event YuNa enters.
Who gives a sh*t?! It's NOT the end of the world.
Not for me I assure you.
I will enjoy skating. No matter who is in the ice. Whatever place it will be held. I don't take it personally.
On Topic: I doubt this issue will be resolved.
Have fun fending off the yunabots. You can have them.
You have no idea how to deal with them. And it's PURE entertainment.
Not when it's the SKATING that you want to entertain you. But to each their own.
It is good that this is discovered in the name of fairness!
At the same time I cannot help but be sad for the Chinese skaters who will suffer from this like stripped medals or worse not being able to compete next year even if they are age-eligible if there is a ban or so.
It is always the people who are not at fault who suffer. Like the people who couldn't go to the Olympics for political reasons in Moscow or Los Angeles.
Can't tell you're one of them from this little exchange. Nope, not at all. But I'm sure you must have the last word so I'll let you have it.
I have a feeling nothing will come of this, since all they have to do is print out the proper paperwork and send it over (whether the dates are accurate or not). What's to say the website isn't full of typos?
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