Age Discrepancies for Chinese Skaters

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by oleada, Feb 9, 2011.

  1. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    if I find a way to piss off the Chinese fed, can I come to Honolulu?
     
  2. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

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    as long as you bring the wine
     
  3. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

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    That depends, do they deliver wine in a box to Hawaii? :lol:
     
  4. ks777

    ks777 Well-Known Member

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    wow Oleada is famous!!
     
  5. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    it's not in a box, :yikes:
    it is in a bottle. a dozen bottles go into a box.
     
  6. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

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    I could have sworn I read the word "box" somewhere in one of the posts. :lol:
     
  7. benedict_david

    benedict_david New Member

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    About Zhang/Zhang's age, here's a piece of news in 2009 confirming that Hao Zhang was born in 1982:

    http://translate.google.com/transla...+%E6%96%87%E6%B1%87%E6%8A%A5&hl=en&prmd=ivnso


    The translation is bad, but I think it basically means that Hao Zhang is 5 years older than Dan Zhang, which happens to agree with the listed birthdays.




    Another piece of news found, which (seems to) say that Dan Zhang was 10 years old in 1998.(correct me if I'm wrong)
    http://translate.google.com/transla...&u=http://sports.qq.com/a/20060220/000861.htm
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2011
  8. equatorial

    equatorial Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it says Zhang Hao was born in 1982 and is more than 5 years older than Zhang Dan:eek:
     
  9. Yukari Lepisto

    Yukari Lepisto Active Member

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    Well, that really explains why Dan Zhang was still growing and growing until almost two years ago... maybe they should be careful when talking about growth spurt to media... lol....
     
  10. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

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    Are you purposefully being obtuse or are you just very stupid?

    Ant
     
  11. equatorial

    equatorial Well-Known Member

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    The latter :saint:
     
  12. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

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    benedict_david :respec:
     
  13. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    Time to bring Markova back to skate to "Let My Oleada Go" (but be sure to share some of the boxed wine with her to get her in the proper voidy spirit first). :nopryde:
     
  14. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

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    As long as Markova hasn't finished all the vino first. She was off her head when she did that routine right, or was it just the choreographer? (Oleada come to Perth, I have a whole wine valley 10 minutes from me, and it's Summer here and we got some of the best beaches in the world).
     
  15. cheriepopo

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    That's true. One of my journalist friends once mentioned Hao Zhang in her article as "5 years older than Dan", and she immdiately got a call from he Zhang after the article's out, he was simply mad at her because 'every journalist knows this but none has ever mentioned it in public, so how could you do it!?' So you can say this is a confirmation directly from he Zhang;)

    ETA - in China there's a saying "The most dangerous place is also the safest to hide", so, Oleada, come and visit me in China!!:cool::cool:
     
  16. Seregil

    Seregil Active Member

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    Great idea! They'll never look for you there!
     
  17. ratatouille

    ratatouille New Member

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    The thing is that the chinese goverment makes fake ID....

    It's very normal there.
     
  18. let`s talk

    let`s talk Banned Member

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    So, that is just that? Chinese officials said "sorry, our staff made (so many) errors in paperwork," then they shut the list on their website and it is the end of story?

    It looks like we all with ISU and those international skaters who actually followed the rules, got f...ed up afterall.

    Is there any scientific ways to establish the age of a person, like they do it with DNA parental test? The paperwork like passports or birth certificates don't look promising. :confused:
     
  19. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    Maybe FSU can kidnap the skaters in question, cut off limbs and count the number of rings (like tree trunks)?

    I can't believe that so many people are happy at the prospect of medals being taken away from past winners. How sweet.
     
  20. dupagegal

    dupagegal New Member

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    The simple fact that the ISU does not place large penaltys or sanctions on China for skating is proof that there is way too much politics in this sport.
     
  21. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    Just to reply to those who've questioned if there is some biological way to determine exact age, the answer is no. You can only get a relative age by looking at bones or teeth. Relative being withing 4-5 years on young adults. It would require x-rays of joints which I doubt anybody would do and then it's you only get bone age which can vary from chronological age for a number of reasons. DNA or blood will not indicate age.
     
  22. let`s talk

    let`s talk Banned Member

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    Don't you care to consider the feelings of those skaters (and federations) who followed the rules?
     
  23. Ozzisk8tr

    Ozzisk8tr Well-Known Member

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    If nothing happens to punish the Chinese federation, I wonder if the judges marks will at upcoming competitions. I feel this thing will not blow over lightly. I do feel very sorry for the skaters however.
     
  24. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, I feel exactly opposite. They will get away with it, although it is so unfair to those who do follow the rules. :(
     
  25. bsfan

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    PHP:
    Another piece of news foundwhich (seems tosay that Dan Zhang was 10 years old in 1998.(correct me if I'm wrong)
    http://translate.google.com/translat...0%2F000861.htm

    Quote:
    In 1998, 10-year-old Yao Bin Zhang Dan was the case, to Beijing. Participate in national team training, she became the youngest national team player.  

    Does this indicate that Yao Bin is AT LEAST among those which change the age?

    In general, Chinese men have smaller build compared to western competitors. But Chinese women don't have such a big difference. This is the only thing that make me respect Shen/Zhao. They have great elements with not that big of size difference. And Pan/Tong (she is so thin). Maybe those people figured out they should find an easier way to overcome this problem.
     
  26. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    I can't believe some are upset at the prospect of the medals finally going to the ones who actually earned it without cheating!
     
  27. FigureSpins

    FigureSpins New Member

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    Easier doesn't make it right. If their genetics make them smaller, I don't think that justifies cheating. There are still tall boys/men and petite girls/women in China, even by western standards. They would have to manage the pairings, as the USSR did for years, but lying about athletes ages just to win a competition is wrong. Period.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2011
  28. Seregil

    Seregil Active Member

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    That hasn't been the case in gymnastics, so I doubt it will be in skating.
     
  29. nlyoung

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    At the very least, I hope this forces them to declare ages earlier so that there is a record, i.e. long before skaters hit the international scene. This will make it far more difficult to cheat!
     
  30. 93ning

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    i dont know very clearly about zhangdan

    but i just can tell u zhanghao and Hancong' age is right

    im sorry i cant tell u the reason
    but i can sure HANcong is 18 in 2010
    and he studying in school ,every years school name list can tell u.

    i dont know yu/jin very clearly too
    just look.....
    she looks too old if she really is a 13/12years old
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2011