Adelina Sotnikova

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  1. koatcue

    koatcue New Member

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    Your thoughts on her...There is no a sign of her new programmes in internet. She hasn't competed anywhere this season=((
    How high is her chance to beat Mirai or Mao?
  2. Triple Butz

    Triple Butz Well-Known Member

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    If she's skating at the same level she was last season, I would say her chances of competing and winning against anyone, not just those two, are fairly good. We will have to see if she has made changes to her lutz, which received edge calls here and there. The senior callers are probably not going to let it slide. Also, if she really wants to rack up points in a senior LP, she needs to move more of the jumps to the second half.
  3. Louise

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    I'd say very high. She brings out her 3/3's or 2A/3's with regularity and has decent body line and choreography. In fact I would not be surprised if she takes the GPF. Tut has more to work on, but I can see her jumping to the GPF. I'm not giving up on Nagasu, but I don't think she has what it takes to be a world champion, sorry to say. If I had to pick an American this year to steal everyone's thunder, I'd go with Agnes, but with the coaching change and her admitted lack of interest in the sport makes me question that.

    Now that Mao cannot be depended on for a clean program in any way, Kim out, US blah, I would not be surprised if Russia cleans up at the Olys. I also think that one of the Russian baby ballerinas will move to another 'country' so we might see a top five of all Russians at the Olys.

    If I had to pick the next Russian superstar it would be Sotnikova or Lipnitskaya. Shelepen, Tut, and there's another one may not progress fast enough in the next two years. Sot and Lip are already ahead of the curve, IMO.
  4. caseyedwards

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    When dealing with seniors with 4 jumps 1/2 way plus she will appear frontloaded. That would be a negative. If she can still do all the 3/3's and all that she could beat Mirai and Mao and everyone. She'll probably just debut on the GP and maybe not do any pre - GPs.
  5. Frau Muller

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    Isn't she listed for the Ondrej Nepela Trophy soon? Update: I guess that she didn't do it...
  6. l'etoile

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    I think she's withdrawn from the event. Ladies short program results came out but her name's not there. Her injury may be more serious than it seemed?
  7. smarts1

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    We'll need to see how she does under the senior circuit. Seniors fresh out of juniors tend to make mistakes. But she has promise.
  8. koatcue

    koatcue New Member

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    I don't know what to think of it.I expected her to participate there...It's just strange
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    What kind of injury did she have?
  10. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Spin Alissa Spin!!!

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    For me, hopefully Alissa repeats as GPF Champion. If not, I want Sotnikova or Tuktamysheva to be 2011 GPF Champion. :D

    They are the 3 I'm cheering for this season in GP ladies.

    ETA: Plus Mirai and Agnes!!!
  11. Autumn_girl

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    The music is announced though.
    SP: Bolero
    LP: Liebestraum

    Something with her leg AFAIK, but she skated with it in show this summer, so I guess it's not that bad

    No worries, we will see Adelina this weekend at the test skates of Russian team :)
  12. Frau Muller

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    How 'original'....not. :blah:
  13. Triple Butz

    Triple Butz Well-Known Member

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    And considering last season was:

    SP: Blue Danube
    LP: Introduction & Rondo Capriccioso
    EX: Swan Lake

    double :blah:
    We always had overused music in skating, but I think CoP has made it worse. It's no longer important to be original, just important to get high scoring high level elements.
  14. koatcue

    koatcue New Member

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    Liza T is sooo original..and what? The thing is we discuss not so original Sotnikova. The things that matter are her skill level and talent.;)
    The music choice isn't the case..
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  15. Triple Butz

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    Actually, I have discussed Liza's music and improved expression in other threads and so have others. Liza is getting her share of hype, it's just that Sotnikova has a more impressive win record for now. I'm not hating on Sotnikova's skating at all, it's wonderful, but it could be even better if she would emote more and (just a personal preference) it would be nice to see her develop her style with more original music choices.
  16. judgejudy27

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    A year after Miki Ando won her 2nd World title if she as good as advertised (and from what I have seen from her she isnt far off and should only get better) she should clean up in the ladies field this year, including Worlds, unless Kim comes back much stronger than the rubbish (for her standards) she put out last year at seasons end.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Don't forget about the 'never give up' Mao.
  19. periperi

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    I don't know. I don't think Adelina's choreography has been that strong at all. All the programs I've seen of her have been pretty empty in terms of what goes on in between the jumps, and the jumps tend to be ticked off quickly in the beginning of the program. It's much easier to pull off 3-3's with programs like that than with programs that are well constructed jumping wise, transition wise and so forth.

    Of course, I have yet to see her performance at JO... Maybe this year is a different story.

    :respec:
  20. Jemestone

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    She didn't compete at JO, Liza did and she won :)

    She did do a test skate of her short program today and nailed all the jumps including a triple triple.
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    :lol: You're right! Silly mistake.
  22. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

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    Are there any videos of Adelina's test skate?
  23. Jemestone

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    Not that I know of :(
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    Thanks for posting. I don't particularly care about exhibition programs, but I was looking to see how she'd grown into a woman's body. Her jumps were huge. She looks very calm and secure on the ice. I have great expectations for her over the next quad. :)
  26. kwanatic

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    I think the only thing holding Adelina back is confidence. With her skating skills, her speed, her huge jumps, gorgeous lines and that sparkle she brings to the ice, she could give the Big Three a run for their money. I really hope she gets her nerves under control and gains that confidence b/c she is the most complete skater in this new crop of ladies when it comes to overall package. She's just missing the confidence to land the jumps. I do think she would benefit from some technique tweaking but other than that she's amazing.

    I enjoyed her Oblivion Ex. Still not better than her Black Swan or Hernando's Hideaway but the wings were very interesting visually.
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  27. Gabybackhand

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    Personally I think you overrate her. She isnt nearly good enough to compete with Kim, especialy since Kim doesnt self destruct to let much lesser skaters come close to her, and she could only beat Asada or Kostner if she skated great and they didnt. Which with how many mistakes Kostner and Asada can make is possible, except that Sotnikova is as inconsistent or more than them.

    Her jumps are decent size but I wouldnt say huge, and her technique on many of them is quite bad and ugly and not worthy of anywhere near the GOE that people like Kim or even Gold get. She also is a chronic URer and flutzer to the point it is borderline whether to even consider those are real mistakes for her. Her spins are nice, and she has some nice presentation qualities, but her programs are usually no great shakes to show it off, and her long program last year was awful.

    Of the skaters of her age generation I think Gold is already passing her by, and Gold has more room for improvement than Sotnikova left which is bad news for her. Osmond I think has more long range potential too, and maybe Li.
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    Sad but all true and you didn't even mention her terrible flip problems! Singles, falls, and landed but leaving out jumps that were supposed to come after it in combos because of poor landing.

    This is a common rundown of sotnikova's jumps: 3lz(e)+3t(ur), 3f fall, 2a+3t(ur), 3loop, 2a, *3F, * 3s
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  30. Gabybackhand

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    Yes and when you have that chronic of UR and flutz problems it is not just nerves. Your technique is just not up to snuff. I dont know why anyone talks about her having great jump technique or stunning jumps when she lands them. As for her artistry it could be great but not with the programs she is given typically.
  31. kwanatic

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    I never said Adelina was without her problems nor did I say she could beat Kim, Kostner or Asada...but she could put pressure on them to perform as she proved at Europeans when she beat Kostner in the SP. I did say her jump technique needs to be tweaked as does most of these younger girls and that includes Gracie Gold who often jumps with too much of her upper body when she gets nervous and Kaetlyn Osmond who pitches forward on her landings.

    Adelina has her issues, no denying that. But if she were to tweak her technique over the next few years that would help to stabilize her jumps. If her jumps were stable that would give her more confidence and may lead to better consistency in her jumps. Consistency in jumps for Adelina would put her among the top contenders in the post-Sochi field of ladies. She usually gets the highest PCS of all the newer girls even with her weaker performances and with clean performances she'd build up her reputation and from there, her PCS would rise.

    I don't think Adelina has as much room for improvement as Gracie does but then again Adelina isn't in the same boat as Gracie when it comes to presentation, maturity, interpretation, performance, etc. She has all of that already...Gracie needs a lot of work in those areas. Adelina can improve but she's pretty decent in those areas already. She needs better programs to showcase those aspects of her skating. I thought her SP from last season was great but her FS was a bit of a hot mess.
  32. Autumn_girl

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    I wonder where all these "chronic of UR problems" talks come from. She does have problems with rotating her 3-3, but that's about it, her single triples are usually fully rotated and she gets good GOEs for them. Someone like Mirai Nagasu could be called a chronic URer, Adelina doesn't have such problems to be called that.
    I think she is the best all-around skater among younger ladies, but her scores didn't really reflect that yet because of inconsistensy and not so good programs. She is 17 now and hopefully puberty issues stay in the past, plus she has a new choreographer (and Chernyshev can choreograph such amazing things like Clair de Lune LP he made for Kawaguti-Smirnov), I hope this year Adelina finally gets the programs she deserves. With clean skates and good programs, IMO, she will deservedly get significally higher PCS than Gold or Osmond
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  33. caseyedwards

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    But the only way urs would go away is if she stopped doing triple toes in combos. Or got rid of the uring by going to a jump coach. So ur is a chronic problem on triple toes. Like it's a limited chronic uring but consistent. She's not uring every triple bit enough to hurt her. 3/3 and 2a/3t ur. Also when she tried lutz loop combos. So she can eliminate triple toes and do double toes but there goes any future. It would be good if she did something about her jump problems. I am sure she is trying something to improve but it's rare that she's ever asked about jumps. Just music really.
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    And why? SS I give it to her, but I wouldn't say she's substantially better. PE? CH? IN? TR? No really at all.
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    Among the youngsters Osmond, IMO, has the weakest basics, Adelina's basics, on the other hand, are the strongest. Better skating skills, ice coverage, much better lines and she is growing into a real performer. She just needs better programs
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    Really? I would think Li Jijun has the weakest basics. But I am no expert
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    I believe Osmond and Sotnikova are the only two of the young crop who can come anywhere close to the top 3 in the World on a PCS standpoint. Osmond's transitions, choreography, and musical interpretation are sensational for someone as young as she is. She has attack and confidence and doesn't appear fearful of competition at all. Sotnikova's skating skills, lines, and maturity are marvelous as well for her young age. I have a soft spot in my heart for Tuktamysheva as well; I hope she can skate with confidence and happiness; her smile is infectious. :)

    Gold rushes through the music seemingly ignoring anything is playing, has windmill arms, doesn't finish or extend any of her choreography, but can rely on her mostly steady technique. Her transitions aren't anywhere near as difficult as Osmond's either.

    Li would be my pick for most lacking in skating skills of the young crop.
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  38. kwanatic

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    I agree with your points regarding Osmond, Sotnikova and Gold.

    I don't think Li is "lacking" in skating skills per se, but she's not as good as the other 3. Osmond, Sotnikova and Gold all skate big and leave a bigger overall impression on the ice. Li's style is very light, delicate and lyrical and sometimes it's harder for that kind of skating to stand out when you compare it to flair/pizazz (Osmond), maturity/presentation (Sotnikova) or just straight power/speed (Gold).

    From a skills standpoint Li moves with ease across the ice, her speed isn't bad, and she generally skates relatively well. She'll have to work on bringing out that power and making her skating stand out.
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    I'm not an expert. From my layman's pov, Li doesn't show good use of edges, and when she changes edges she often has to put the other foot down quickly.
    Adelina definitely has good SS compared to the other upcomers.