Adam Rippon on The Skating Lesson

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  1. axel12345

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    Every time I watch the Skating Lesson with Jenny and Dave I am more surprised on how informational it is and what a quality interview they do.
    The most recent interview was with Adam Rippon and I loved it.
    It is a long one, over an hour and change but it was a delight to watch especially hearing all the nice things about Detroit ;)

    Here it is on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiAflwj7BAQ
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  2. whoa

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    This was such a great interview. He has such a stronger personality than I'd thought! It was invigorating to hear his determination to succeed this season. I hope he can accomplish his goals; if not this season, then the next.
  3. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Loved the interview. Jenny and Dave do a terrific job..and, of course, I love Adam.
  4. BittyBug

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    He is absolutely delightful and quite well-spoken. Best of luck to him this season.
  5. antmanb

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    I think i might love Adam a little bit after that interview!

    "you know what, this is gross, but it works" about Evgeni Pluschenko standing at centre ice and skaking his hips :rofl:
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  6. orbitz

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    For the most part, a really good interview piece. I love that Adam answered everything. Jenny and Dave are doing a good job putting these interviews together. I'm impressed at how eloquent these skaters are in theset interviews.


    A few gripes about TSL (hopefully they're constructive :) ):

    1. Dave, and sometimes Jenny, needs to refrain from making catty criticisms directed at another skater in these interviews. The shot Dave took at Sarah Hughes was unnecessary and put him AND TSL in a bad light; Do that in your own time with your friends but not during these interviews when he's representing TSL. TSL looks like it's a forum that is becoming popular and is watched by not just skating fans but also by people in the skating circles, ie skaters, coaches ...Do they reallly want to possibly alienate some people in the industry and hurt their chances for nabbing future interviews? I for one would love them to interview SH but after this I'm not sure she would if they ask.

    2. Does TSL seem 'obsess" with Yuna Kim? I though TSL wasted a large a chunk of NNN's interview asking about Yuna Kim, and I felt they almost did the same during Adam's interview. Enough already.

    ...

    On a superificial note: I find Dave's necklace very distracting. I kept staring at it during the NNN's interview, and I did the same during Adam's. LOL.
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  7. lala

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    exactly: "Evgeni is the only one who can shake his hips in the middle of the ice and you say "This is gross but it works"" he loves Plushy's skating

    and:

    "When I started training the 3axel when I was 17 everybody was "Plushenko was landing them at 15" Oh great start, I'm already 2 years late"


    But he was wrong, Plushy landed 3A at 13, he was landed 4t-3t at 15
  8. caseyedwards

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    I don't get the whole thinking that hip movements can't be a part of a program and/ or is gross? Every program needs to be the same Lori nichol stuff?
  9. antmanb

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    You don't understand what is gross about a man standing at centre ice and doing the pelvic thrust? This goes for Plush, Joubert and anyone else i'm thankfully blanking on that does/has done this in the past.

    And since when does not air humping = only Lori Nichol choreography? Most choreographers (dear I say nearly all?)tend to steer clear of dry humping as a choreographic move, thank god.
  10. orbitz

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    It's depend on who does it, how it's done, and in what context is it being done. I thought Viktor Petrenko was always very embarrassing when he did it in his exhibition programs. On the other hand, if one skates to Tom Jones' "What's New Pussycat" then some pelvic thrusts are definitely called for.
  11. caseyedwards

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    No I don't! If it fits a program and works than so what? What's the problem? Calling it air humping is just wrong and meant to just bash Without going into real detail and being prejudicial. It is hip movement and can work really well!

    There's also lots of good stuff in this interview like talk about doing the rippon lutz! why didn't he get unique bonus? How does one ever get that if he can't?
  12. BittyBug

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    That's an interesting question. Has anyone ever gotten a bonus for originality?
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    Good question. As far as I remember, one is lucky not to get penalized for originality, let alone reward, because the rules have not been written to explicitly reward an innovation the first time around (otherwise it's not an innovation), and judges often don't seem to know what to do with something they have never seen before. At the very least, an odd judge here and there giving originality a bonus will not make up for the "unfamiliarity deductions" or plain indifference from most others.

    I wonder if this is similar to the phenomenon that originality in arts takes time to be tolerated and morph from "grotesque" to "beautiful" in people's mind. Rite of Spring caused a riot at its debut but is now a beloved piece of music. Same for Picasso, modern dance, and nearly all movements in modern art. Most originals must suffer indifference, bewilderment, and hostility from others, before time can sort out the good ones from the bad and ease people's fear and discomfort with the new and unknown.

    OTOH, the Rippon Lutz has been around for quite a while. The rules are rewritten fast enough when people complain about quads not getting enough reward, but tend to draft their feet about rewarding something clearly more difficult than a flat choctaw before jump entry or a loop after landing.
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  14. RFOS

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    In ISU competition, I don't think anyone has received a bonus for original element, and I don't think it even exists anymore. I couldn't find reference to it here in a very quick search:
    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-206192-223415-177357-0-file,00.pdf
    http://www.usfsa.org/content/2013-14 Rulebook Final 07-01-13.pdf

    Can anyone confirm if/when it was taken out and if there was any notification of that fact?

    Some countries have in the past had bonuses for completing certain difficult jumps. Russia did and Canada did at one point at the Novice level at least I think.
  15. Jun Y

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    I myself enjoy the "catty comments" on TSL, even if I don't agree many of them. It's a podcast, not official press releases of USFSA or broadcast TV commentary.
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  16. dawnie

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    It's not like they are asking every single person they interview about her. Rippon trained with Kim for a while and was Kim's only peer/training partner in Toronto that was at an elite level. It's relevant with NNN because she was around Kim the one year she trained at EWIP. And it's also interesting because NNN was basically Kim's predecessor in a way with all the endorsements and ice shows in Korea. Of course NNN was nowhere near Kim's status now, but I wonder if she would have been a mega-superstar like her in Korea if she became a World/Olympic champion.
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    I wonder though if they are going for a specific dynamic though. Jenny comes off as very professional and serious about the show, while Dave may work very very hard but he comes off as first and foremost an excited, wide-eyed Kwan fan who still can't believe he is interviewing some of these skaters. Sometimes shows play up certain aspects of one's personality for entertainment purposes and I wonder if that's what they're going for. He's playing the part of obsessed Kwan fan who makes catty comments, while Jenny is the serious partner. Just a theory.
  18. Maureen

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    Great interview with Adam. I really love his skating. Hoping that he has a great Olympic season.
  19. Sasha is DIVINE

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    I completely agree. Dave's snark is legendary and that's one of the things I love most about him.

    I am over them asking everyone about Yu Na Kim. That is my bias though because I think she's overrated.

    And poor Adam. He is a long shot at best to make the Olympic team.
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  20. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Here's the clip of the debut of the Rippon 3Lutz at TEB in October 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyhUMUEcaU
    You'd never know it was the first time from his detailed protocol :p: http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpfra09/gpfra09_Men_SP_Scores.pdf

    From Rippon's official site: http://www.figureskatersonline.com/adamrippon/news.html
    "Adam wrote an article for the Athlete Advisory Committee's 'Athlete Corner' about his 2013 Gardena Spring Trophy experience with Team USA that was published in the May issue of SKATING magazine (p. 43). A scan of the article can be viewed here courtesy of U.S. Figure Skating." Link: http://www.figureskatersonline.com/adamrippon/13Gardena.pdf
    IMO, it's a very well-written, thoughtful piece.
  21. whoa

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    As do I. There are more than enough outlets for PR-friendly daisies and flowers nice nice nice interviews that skaters can do. I think their strengths are the conversational and at times snarky tones of their interviews. Their interviews have given me a better understanding of all that goes on behind the scenes and skaters' mentalities; the Max Aaron interview is also a good example.

    I don't really mind all the questions regarding Yu Na; if I were them, it could also be a good way to gain viewership for those who pay attention to only the "headliner" skaters.
  22. shan

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    I agree. I've just started skipping over those parts of the interviews.
  23. orbitz

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    Oh I don't mind the snarks but when they specifically single out a skater, like Dave did with Sarah Hughes, I found it quite jarring. I guess TSL has no intention of ever asking any of the Hughes sisters for an interview? That would be a shame, because Sarah's LP at SLC was one for the history book. Overall, I do enjoy watching the TSL interviews. I just don't think they need to directly put down certain skaters in their pod cast. It cheapens the show, IMO.


    But if you were the subject being interviewed and you get a bunch of questions about "What was Yuna Like?", "How did Yuna prepare for competition?", "What is Yuna like off ice?", etc., wouldn't you at least say to yourself, "Hey, wait a minute. I thought this interview is about me and my career?"
  24. caseyedwards

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    But yuna is like an extreme legend of figure skating history now? Every skater who trained with her knows they have been near that legend. It just demands questions. Like actors working with Brando or boxers who fought Ali. Singers who sang with Sinatra. Etc.
  25. Jun Y

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    Jeez, I am laughing out loud here at Adam's endless sighs that he is such a geezer now. "All the youths ..." :D
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    What? Worst Olympic gold medal performance! haha. I joke, but really, that skate is not going to be recounted in history books in the future.

    Im sure these skaters are just happy that someone in interviewing them.
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  27. Triple Butz

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    The more snarks, the better IMO. Since the beginning, Dave and Jenny have expressed their distaste for skating interviews and fluff pieces to be too PC. I think they do a great job at balancing some good gossipy snark with great questions about technique and competitive mindset.

    It's my understanding that Sarah has already requested an interview and is being considered. I doubt she takes herself so seriously that a snarky comment about her arms would deter her from talking to Jenny and Dave.
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  28. reese

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    Oh my, it took an hour just to navigate through all his coaching changes. Adam struck me as well-spoken, but someone who has a higher opinion of his level than has often been warranted by his results. At this point, I think all of his coaching changes speak volumes. He's not at the beginning of his career anymore and he still lacks a consistent triple axel, has no triple axel-triple toe and no quad. His Olympic chances are pretty nonexistant when you look at the field and he's not a kiddo anymore with an extra 4 years to spare. Still the best hair in skating though!
  29. orbitz

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    ^ My favorite line from Miley Cyrus's new song: "...Forget the haters cause somebody loves ya" :p
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  30. caseyedwards

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    I'm sure Hughes knows how bad she can be attacked on internet videos too! Like the infamous taping of hams to thighs.
  31. Marco

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    Judging from Nationals, Rippon finally seemed to have the 3axel technique nailed under Arutunian so I wish him the best going forward. He is going to need a quad plus both 3axels and lutzes and every tenths of COP points to even have a chance in making the 2 men US Team to Sochi.

    I have enough trouble as it is picking 3 men out of these 6: Aaron, Lysacek, Abbott, Rippon, Farris, Brown. And then there is also Miner and Dornbush. Realistically I doubt the USFS would leave home someone who isn't already some sort of National, World or Olympic Champion or someone who had Aaron's quad consistency.

    Regarding TSL, I actually like that Dave has an opinion and a clear passion for skating. He clearly is a purist and prefers skaters' skaters like a Kwan or a Browning. His standard is very high and he has great taste :p. For me anyway, he is very relatable as a skating fan and webmaster. Also, I would hate for any new audience or fan to the sport to think or pass on any thought that hip thrusting on centre ice or absolutely ignoring the music but for a few flares here and there should be highly rewarded in competition.
  32. TwizzlerS

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    I agree but the Sarah Hughes remark came out of nowhere.
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    Try 2. US can only send 2 men.

    Aaron and Abbott past national champs. Abbott is GPF champ. Rippon and Farris are junior world champs. Dornbush and Brown are JGPF champs. Miner none of the above. If you judge by past results, Miner would be the first one to leave out. But none of these men (except Lysacek) has ever been on the worlds podium. The best worlds result among them is like 6th or something. But in January USFS will simply send the top 2 at 2013 Nationals to the Olys. End of story.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm as emotionally invested in US men as anyone here. Ultimately, I suspect US men will do more or less the same regardless of which two are sent to Sochi, which means somewhere between 6 and 15.
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    Is Evan really going to compete next season? having had three years off, is there any way that he is going to be competitive anymore?
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    Evan is supposedly planning to do the US Senior B in Sep, so (if he shows up) we'll get to see just what his competition level is then.
  36. Sparks

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    I really like TSL's interviews. I learn so much
    As for the comment about SH, it was really more about the bad choreography and it was related to Adam wanting to be authentic when he does a Spanish program.
    Adam was a delight!
  37. Spun Silver

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    Interesting. I have a different take. FWIW, Dave explained his wide eyes on his Aunt Joyce Formspring page once. It is a medical issue, a reaction to a certain prescription drug, and he is trying to work on it. Anyway, to me Jenny's gushy style and the way she constantly interjects herself into the interviews are annoying and unprofessional although she is capable of good questions and insightful comments, esp. on technical matters. Dave's knowledge of skating's history as well as its present is encyclopedic -- far, far beyond Jenny's. I have seen guests like Carroll and Bezic widen their eyes at the sharpness of his questions. His snarkiness is so much less than it was in the blog that I welcome it -- I miss AJICS! OTOH he has a very likeable sweet side that comes out on video, although he too can join in the gushiness a bit too much. I would like them both to keep it on the objective side, if they can manage to be enthusiastic and objective at the same time. They don't need to be telling the skaters how much they love them.

    I do think this duo has a lot of potential. Their podcast is a great gift to skating. I am basically waiting for them to take over from Hamilton and Bezic.

    As to Adam... an hour is too long for an interview with anyone but a legend, IMO. But I will check it out later.
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  38. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I haven't watched this one or any of their podcasts in a while, but I don't mind the snark.

    I'm not bothered by Dave's snarks, but I also don't pay much mind to them - his opinions and snarks are no more valuable, witty, or interesting than the snark of any FSU poster. He just happens to be friends with Jenny.

    Where I think the snarking is worthwhile is that it creates a very relaxed and informal atmosphere, and the skaters are less uptight than in official interviews so they're more likely to be snarky too, and cut through a lot of the BS. Goebel's interview was great that way.
  39. orbitz

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    The questions are sometimes very long winded, and Dave sometimes asks the same questions more than once. NNN had to explain her feelings heading into the 2000 nationals at least three different times during the interview. Sometimes Dave also grasp at issues that aren't there; In the Chin interview, he was implying that Nick somehow publicly embarrassed Tiffany about her weight in the K+C. Tiffany was like "Huh?". TSL then showed the supposedly incriminating clip, and I was like "Huh? That's your smoking gun?"
  40. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    This.^