Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by sk9tingfan, Apr 1, 2011.
Hope you are right and Gao stays with the current coach, because changing coaches takes tolls.
Thank God no media blitz this time. Good for him and good for Rippon. I feel that Orser would have handled the split with Yu-Na in a different way, had she had a backing from a stronger federation.
This could be a good thing for Gao since she can have more attention, and I really, really wish her to stick with Orser as she is now his only top prospect.
i agree that adam's programmes this year were v. boring and uninspired. he's so young. needs to go out and have some fun!! rach two and romeo & juliette - way too serious ...
I loved both programs, they were very beautiful, he is a figure skater who knows how to interpret the classics in my opinion. And "Romeo" is a program definitely for a young skater.
LOL.. It was YOU who quickly jumped into this thread with judgment loaded statements biased against Yu-Na.
You are free to see what you want to see. But I believe I have better picture of what really transpired and who were behind it.
By the time I posted in this thread, you and the rest of the Yu-Nabots had already been posting that Adam leaving, which has nothing to do with what went down with Yu-Na, was proof positive that it was all Orser's fault and this was proof positive that Orser was a bad coach.
But like the skater you adore, you can't admit when you've behaved badly. Speaking of which, I see your darling Yu-Na is embroiled in yet another lawsuit. Why do so many of her business relationships end up badly or in court?
Please don't feed the trolls!
I was not surprised at this news at all.
I figured out that Adam could not stay with Oser any longer.
But,,it's nobody's fault.
Coach changing issue is nothing special in figure skating world, therefore we just need to respect skater's own decision.
That will do.
I remember how quicjly you and the other YuNa haters jumped to trash YuNa when the split happened without any detailed knowledge of the situation.
This is her first lawsuit ever. The previous one was between companies and had nothing to do with her. Another evidence that you bashes YuNA without exact knowledge.
Gosh, you are really of the kind that take a quick glance of the headlines, make a judgment, and never bother to investigate as to what the truth is, aren't you.
Well, isn't Rippon leaving Orser the topic of thread? And please don't exaggerate. Who said before your post it's Orser's fault and he's a bad coach?
Oh dear @ this thread.
I thought this thread is about Adam?
I was hoping that this was just an April Fools' Day joke, but I guess it's true. I wish both Adam and Brian all the best.
@ you and others b1tching about the Yunabots, when in fact (outside of Rumblefish) NO ONE even jumped on this thread and posted that Orser was a bad coach.
And you asked "what knowledge do you have of the situation"? Hypocrisy much? You and others judged Yuna's character like you know the truth between Yuna-Brian's split. Unbelievable.
Dragonlady is well-known Orser-ultrafanatic (as defensive and intense as Orser himself) not just here but in other skating forums as well and this person will bash and trashtalk anyone to death whoever ditches Orser, including Adam as he/she started above by bashing Adam for having history of changing coaches, the same crappy reasoning he/she put out to bash Yuna when she split with Orser.
OMG, thank you for being the sole sane voice of reason in this entire thread of utter nonsense!
Eys, and had Adam left for Frank or Morosov or someone else completely different this statement would have made sense. But he didn't. He says he's training with the same assistant coach he's been training with the past 2 years, in the same rink. It kinda makes the quote the same bs all skater spew when they don't want the truth revealed, doesn't it?
Ditto. I bet he's a nice man, but when he's unhappy, he seems like he'd be "difficult."
I didn't hear that at all. Au contraire, according to what Adam said, and from various other reports, he's been in contact with Ghislain regularly over the past 2 years. Sounds like Adam has wanted or needed additional external support outside of Orser and Wilson, and that he contacted Ghislain after this year's disappointing Nats (the same one where Orser was visibly pissed off at Adam in the Kiss and Cry.) I am completely not surprised...
Anyone is free to believe it's "bs" but only Rippon really knows and can/will determine the effectiveness of working with Ghislain Briand full-time in Toronto. It's his career and he's taking responsibility for it.
I see Adam hiring Ghislain as his main coach and seeking technical support from him a sort of major blow to Brian. I mean that does not make Brian look good in the eyes of his future potential clients.
^ITA that it's a major blow from Ghislain to Orser. I suppose this happens in business all the time, an employee poaches big clients when he leaves the co.. but in skating its usually big gossip, like when Morosov and TT split. I'm perplexed on why everyone chooses to completely ignore this tid-bit to instead rehash stale YuNa/Orser crap from months ago.
I have always had the utmost regard for Brian Orser. Until I know for sure that he is an ogre, I'll keep that opinion. I absolutely LOVE Adam..With the exception of the Japan Open and to a lesser degree SC this yr, he never seemed all that comfortable with his programs..or maybe I wasn't. I loved his programs from the previous year...I thought that they displayed the purity of his skating, much like his exhibition to "Cinema Paradiso" does. While the degree of difficulty in this yrs' program may have been there, I thought that they "took the Adam out of Adam"..
I hope that Adam finds what he is looking for...and, of course, 3 triple axels.
It would be painfully awkward to see Brian watch Ghislain go over a 3A session with Adam on the rink. Brian would want Adam to move out of the club because his presence would be a constant reminder to others that Adam moved on from Brian. Perhaps Adam might consider Ghislain as an interim coach before he finds someone outside the club.
I'm curious about her, too.
Why does she (or he) overreact to 'Oser issue' so frequently?
I'm not sure but she (or he) must be a huge fan of Oser.
I don't get all this business about "why hasn't Adam given us the real reason why he left?" Do most skaters normally issue press release about exactly what they were unhappy with about their coach or do they just issue some generic, grateful press release and then move on? Alex Gilles just switched coaches, did she give us a detailed list of why she moved to detroit? No. Skaters don't do that. So I have no idea why you would think that Adam would be the first skater ever to offer fans an itemized list of why he left a coach. That would be unprofessional to start.
I think we are in agreement. It's their business and people in all walks of business issues these type of PR statements. My point was not that he owes us the truth, but to counter argue the point that his statement did tell us the whole story. It really doesn't tell us anything. Weather it should or not is something else entirely. I was merely pointing out that it didn't.
I am curious as to why Brian Orser is not quoted in the USFS press release? I wonder if he was contacted for a comment?
Actually, before Skate Canada he had that amazing performance at that team competition in which he scored over 160 for his free skate (while landing both triple axels, I believe). But rather than improving as the season went along, he seemed to fade off.
I didn't mind Adam's programs this season, in fact I loved parts of them, but those programs are more Wilson than Orser.
Adam has definitely not had the season we all anticipated so it's not shocking that he's looking elsewhere. It's not unusual for skaters to move on when they aren't getting the results they need. Good luck to him because he's a lovely skater and I hope he finds what he needs.
Yes, here's his Japan Open FS from early October 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTw8A79EKQ