Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by sk9tingfan, Apr 1, 2011.
Not unexpected. I approve
PJ just tweeted that Adam is remaining at the Cricket Club.
I didn't know there were problems between Brian and Adam... I mean I know he didn't have the best of seasons this year. Tough for Brian, with his two best students leaving him one after another.
Weird day to announce that. My first thought was "April Fools?"
Haha same here. But this makes sense, and I'm glad Adam is staying at the Cricket Club, because I know how close he and Christina are and that would be sad if he left entirely. It is interesting though how many students have left Brian recently, not only Yuna and Adam but also Min-Jung, Yea-Ji, Rylie...it appears that Christina is the only noteworthy pupil of Brian's left, unless i'm missing someone? Maybe that will be good news for Christina though as she can now be his top priority.
I also expected this to be an April Fool's thread
I hope this will be a good step for Adam. While it was an improvement to get him out of Morozov's eville clutches, Adam's programs this year really did not suit him. Here's hoping this change works for the lil angel boy and he has a good season next year.
I thought this was another April Fools joke as well.
Is Brian going to be ok with Adam staying at the Cricket Club? When Yuna wanted to stay there, Brian said he wanted her to leave.
I just have a feeling that Brian is quite a difficult man. Just a hunch.
I mean, we've all seen the way he acts in the Kiss N Cry...
Also, I don't think he'd have an issue with Adam staying at the Cricket Club if the coaching change was solely Adam's decision and those two ended their relationship on good terms. With Yuna, things had gotten sour, and obviously wherever Yuna is, there's going to be a lot of press coverage, media, drama, etc. It's quite a different situation, IMO.
Yes, because that is a truly reliable indicator of how a coach interacts with their skaters during the other 23.9 hours of the day
Can Brian coach Canadian skaters now? Nam Nguyen, move to Toronto!
Wow, not looking good for Brian Orser. I am not sure if any top skaters would consider switching to him if they are busy wondering why he lost so many star pupils.
I don't know if it is fair to assume something happened. People always think things ended so horribly. Maybe Adam is just upset with his results and isn't going to hang around another season to see if the same thing happens. Life in figure skating is very short, you can't spend an extra year just hoping for the best. You have to make a change so you can at least say you tried and have no regrets. That being said, maybe something did happen but let's not start rumors.
Can we all say triple axel? At least to my inexperienced eye, everything else was gorgeous. However, maybe he's got it, and it's all just in his head.
I'm not sure about staying at the same rink, that would spook me, but maybe he just doesn't know where else to go, and liked this coach who he had used a little before.
I predict good things for Adam, actually they are already good, so I predict the best of things.
I don't know if Brian is difficult or not (actually, I've had the opposite impression from what I've seen of him off-ice), but this change isn't surprising considering how chilly he seemed to be with Adam in the K & C this season. I think, with having lost Kim, there's added pressure on Brian to produce another star pupil to show that his success with Kim wasn't just a fluke, and obviously Adam just wasn't giving him that this season (not that I blame Adam).
I do hope that this coaching change helps to turn Adam into a more interesting skater - I remember being quite excited over him a while ago, but lately it seems like he's stagnated and I find him very generic to watch.
I blame David Wilson more than Brian for Adam's totally cliche music choices this year though.
I thought his music choices this season was made by Adam himself. isn't it not?
What kind of rep does Ghisland Briand have? Technician? Artist?
I've heard technician. From the press release:
Briand was the coach by the boards when Rippon won Four Continents in Korea last year.
from USFSF article
oops double post
He chose his LP music, but IIRC the SP one was suggested by David Wilson
Since Adam is remaining at the same rink as Brian, that might be a little awkward. Is Brian still going to give Adam input or advice from time to time since they're still both at the Cricket Club, or is it more like Adam has shut that door completely?
I do wonder how this bodes for Brian's coaching career. His two most prominent and successful students leaving. If Adam feels more of a connection with Ghislain though, he made the right choice. Hopefully, he can make the world team again next year.
Forget Nam, I would like to see Kevin Reynolds move to Brian ... but I doubt that will happen
It sounds like the parting was amicable. I don't suspect we will be seeing Adam sitting at rinkside shedding a single tear.
Skaters and coaches part ways for numerous reasons, and it sounds like in the two scenarios they were for two very different reasons. It's not like Orser has a longstanding record of driving students away because he is consistently impossible to work with. He's coached an Olympic medalist and world champion, and international medalists, so he already has a very good record of accomplishment. I think his career will be fine.
Adam has been landing gorgeous triple axels very consistently lately.
Looking at Adam's coaching changes, if I were going to make any assumptions here , it would actually be about Adam, not Brian.
I do think Adam's 3A got better when he first switched to Orser. And he really blossomed in the rest of his skating the first seaosn - but something this season was just...off.
But it does sounds like this is an amicable parting, no single tears. Although, Adam would probably do 2 tears anyway so it could be known as the Rippon Tear.
To be as objective as possible, I have to assume skaters keep re-evaluating as they improve (or not) to see what they need to do to get to the next level. You could hypothesize Adam came to Canada to be in a stable enviro, to improve technically and to have the focus of a reputable coach. Goals achieved. Now what's next?
Adam may be deciding that while his needs are generally being met (hence he's not leaving Canada or the club) he needs just something a little different from a coach. If I had to take a wild guess, I'm thinking a more chill, nurturing coach might do the trick. Perhaps because Brian is competitively tense and it shows in him both as a competitor and coach that maybe Adam is looking for a different vibe or chemistry that can optimize his competitive performances.
I think of some skaters who talk about needing a coach to keep them loose going into an event. Chan needs to play cards and other silly games with Krall, Browning always said his coach's job at an event was to tell jokes and distract him from competing. Maybe Brian can train him well but he's not the right guy to take to a competition. Just a guess.
Can't blame Adam for wanting to make a change. He was supposed to contend for gold here, and not only did he finish fifth, new seniors like Dornbush leapfrogged him on their way to the podium. He's too talented for that. Love his skating and he is just so adorable! It's not an indictment on Brian per se... just different methods work for different skaters.
Anyway - goooo Adam!
I'd make the same assumptipn if I were going to make one. Adam has the artistic element but he needs that 3A. He didn't have it as a junior and he still doesn't have it. Maybe a technical coach is just what he needs at the moment. I hope so.
Having seen the way Orser treated Kim when Kim departed, and the way he treated Adam at K&C this season, I am not surprised to hear this at all. It seemed to me it was just a matter of time.
I expect Adam will be leaving Cricket club soon.