Adam Rippon Has "It"

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  1. sk9tingfan

    sk9tingfan Well-Known Member

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    A really nice interview on Lifeskate with Adam Rippon. According to David Barba and James Pellerito, when asked who was likely to be the next big US skating star, they both were impressed with Adam and said he had "it". Topics include:
    • The impact of the Orser Kim breakup
    • His new programs
    • How Morosov and Orser are different, or not
    • The evolution of the Rippon Lutz

    http://www.lifeskate.com/skate/2010/09/adam-rippon-poised-to-be-the-next-big-star.html
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  2. caseyedwards

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    The questioner could have been a little more detailed in the question of "figure skating-athletic or artistry?" His answer was the best it could have been under that question! Like in mens skating does doing a quad make doing less complicated choreo acceptable? Is it better to do a lot of choreo and put the jump ceiling at triple? Who deserved to win the 2010 Olympics Lysacek or Plushenko? LOL!

    Thanks for the link to this interview! Hope to see a Rippon Lutz after a quad!
  3. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

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    I love his answer though!
    "Figure skating is so unique that if you aren't athletic, you can't be artistic. I feel that you have to skate as a performer, but at the same time be so finely trained as an athlete. To skate effortlessly is incredibly difficult and only someone who has trained endlessly can give you the impression that what they are doing is easy."
  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Thanks for sharing the link!

    Rippon's fans might also be glad to know that he will be the featured cover story in the upcoming October issue of SKATING magazine.
  5. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

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    I love Rippon and hope he has a great season! :cheer2:
  6. aftershocks

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    Yep, great answer. IMO, there really are no "sides" to fall on, as the interviewer suggested. The ultimate challenge, goal, essence of figure skating is to master technique and to meld athleticism with artistry. Like Adam said, you have to be an athlete first before you can truly be an artist in figure skating.
  7. Finnice

    Finnice Well-Known Member

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    I just love this guy more and more... He sems to have both his head and heart in a right place.
  8. sk9tingfan

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    Just posted out on Twitter; notice of Universal Sports' interview with Adam. Boy, he is firing on all cylinders! I just hope that this doesn't make him nervous with respect to expectations!

    http://www.universalsports.com/news/article/newsid=493413.html
  9. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    A perfect balance to be sure...
  10. Garden Kitty

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    Thanks for the link. Kudos to Adam for handling the questions about Yu Na with grace and for showing a real affection for both Brian and Yu Na. I hope Adam has a great season, I just love his attitude.
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    "What was your relationship with Yu-Na Kim like? I've read so much about her mom too -- did you interact with her on some level or did she mainly stay out of sight?

    AR: Yu-Na and I were very close last year and it was such a great and exciting experience to train with someone who would later go on to win the Olympics. Her mother never said too much to me but she was always very polite. I hope that they are enjoying LA and wish them all the best. "

    It may be just my read, but the "were very close last year" and "wish them all the best" sounds like there isn't too much of a friendship any longer. Very polite, but some distance, rather like someone working hard to be really polite after a divorce.
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  12. Ziggy

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    I think the only thing he's got is the "Zzzzzz..." :EVILLE:

    On a more serious note, Rippon has some very good qualities (the 3lutz with both arms aloft is extremely impressive) and I wish that they could be channelled in a better way. Not impressed with what Wilson has been doing for him so far.
  13. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

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    Ouch. Tell us what you really think.

    Ziggy, if they ever decide to recast the original Cutting Edge movie, you'd be perfect as Kate Mosely.
  14. Theatregirl1122

    Theatregirl1122 Well-Known Member

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    I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. ;)
  15. Finnice

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    :lynch:
    Well, you can always use videotapes of his skating as a sleeping-pill.:D
  16. paskatefan

    paskatefan Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the links. I really like Adam's skating and hope he has a great season and beyond. :encore: Definitely one of the US eligible skaters I'm pulling for the most.
  17. tangerine_dream

    tangerine_dream New Member

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    No, he doesn't. He might be the closest America's got, but he certainly has no star factor. Good skater nonetheless.
  18. sk9tingfan

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    It's all a matter of opinion. There are many both within as well as outside of the US who think that he's just great. My question to you is, have you ever seen him skate live in Korea? I have at Festa in 2009, and saw over the course of three days how someone could go from a complete unknown to a figure skating star with a cacaphony of screams. He also has a significant following in Japan, Russia and Central Europe. We all can't be wrong.
  19. JerseySlore

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    :blah: They will cheer for a piece of wood gliding on the ice. I see where TD is coming from. Rippon has neither the look of Lysacek nor personality of Weir or Bradely. Nonetheless, I think he can be a star soley on the basis of his skating and subtle style reminiscent of Savoie.
  20. Le Amarant

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    He is remarkably good looking. Prob. the best looking of the male skaters now. I'm expecting lots of fangirling once he really debuts into the public's eye.
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  21. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    This!!
  22. Allisanna

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    For me, Adam either already has or is further developing all the qualites needed to be a star in the skating world. Hopefully those that aren't big fans yet, will have a change of opinion over the next few years as Adam continues to grow as a skater.
  23. Ziggy

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    If you're into twinks, maybe. I'm not a fan of Bel Ami, personally. :p

    A Bel Ami video, featuring Brezina and Rippon would probably be their biggest hit ever. :D
  24. floskate

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    I for one love Adam, he's my kind of skater. He's one of the few top men to fully express the music with his whole body, he has gorgeous line and extension and is incredibly musical. He has beautiful spins, good flow and edges, although I don't like his crossovers. But most importantly he skates with honesty IMO. When I watch him I buy it and there's very few skaters who can do that for me. :)
  25. Ziggy

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    See I totally agree on the lines and extension and he generally is very elegant and has a lot of good qualities.

    I just think he could do much more with the music.

    But I blame David Wilson. ;)
  26. floskate

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    I agree on Wilson. With his ability to really dance, Adam would do so well with Dickson. I'd also be interested to see what he could come up with if he choreographed his own programs. Ditto for Abbott and Cassar.
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    I'd love to see what Adam's programs would be like with another choreographer. I've seen him do Morozov and Wilson choreo, but it would be great to see someone else's work on him. Maybe he could start with an exhibition piece and go from there...

    I'm really looking forward to his performances at Japan Open. :watch:
  28. sk9tingfan

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    He, along with Molly Oberstar choreographed his Cinema Paradiso Exhibition, which I think is a beautiful piece. However, it doesn't afford him an ability "to dance" per se. Maybe he and Molly will continue to choreograph other programs that are not as lyrical. Personally I disliked his "R U Gonna Be My Girl" exhibition, which I believe was choreographed by David Wilson. There was a short segment of his second footwork sequence within his SP last year that indicated that he probably could indeed dance
  29. numbers123

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    Have you ever talked to him or spent a couple of hours with him? When he was a novice skater, he asked me if he and Austin Kanallakan could sit in the seats next to me since the people who were going to be sitting there would not be present until later in the week. It was pairs short program at US Nationals. He was so excited to be there, told me all about the skaters that he knew from his club.

    And remembered me the next two years when I saw him in the concourse. I get the feeling that he could be star quality of Ryan Bradley when he chooses. But then that is based upon my interactions with him.
  30. JerseySlore

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    I have heard nothing but positive things from people who have met him in person, so I have no doubt he is a very likable person. I just have hard time imagining him as "cheezeball on ice" a la Bradley:D or "popstar on ice":lynch: Maybe he has it in him or maybe he doesn't. Regardless, I think his skating alone can take him to stardom.
  31. essence_of_soy

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    Thank you floskate for saving the day. I was really upset by a certain poster's entitlement. It's just not appropriate here.

    Anyway, I thought Adam's winning freeskate from Four Continents this year was simply terrific.

    Probably because his performances are so subtle and nuanced, some people miss the maturity he brings to skating. There is such a strength and softness to what Rippon does. His triple lutz variations, back to back, left me speechless, too.

    He has the 'it' factor in spades.
  32. essence_of_soy

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    Tom Dickson is a wonderful choreographer, and a great guy. Such passion!

    I particularly love his Astor Piazola skate from the Face the Music tour.
  33. Ziggy

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    Oh get over yourself.

    This is FSU, not Adam Rippon ueber fan forum.

    Come on now, it's one thing to be fond of a skater but where are you getting all this from?

    Yes, his skating is very soft and fluid and lines are quite good but he's a long way off maturity and nuance.

    His posture could be stronger and he doesn't seem to be yet capable of using his whole body to express the music. Which means his programs lack detail and nuance.

    He chooses to skate to quite complex music so there is lots of room for detail. Things like arm/hand/head movements, fully utilising the upper body. I am not seeing it there. There's a lack of transitions as well.

    Of course very few skaters ever manage the above but you make it as if he already possessed those qualities.

    He could be doing much more with the music.
  34. aftershocks

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    Gosh Ziggy, are you a coach or a skater, or a judge, or just a long-time armchair fan? I doubt that Adam’s many admirers feel there aren’t areas where he can continue to improve and to grow as a skater. For fans to feel that right now Adam is able to express a maturity and sensitivity to the music that not all young skaters possess doesn’t mean that those fans aren’t aware of the fact that it’s a budding maturity and that Adam still has miles to go. The wonderful thing is that Adam too knows how much more he needs to hone his skills and to grow artistically. He’s already accomplished a lot, and he’s poised to accomplish even more. Only time will reveal if Adam can fully deliver on his great promise. Luck is a factor as well as talent, and so many other variables. I wish Adam lots of luck. I know I’ll feel lucky watching him continue to develop. My take: I would refrain from over-critical judgment, as well as over-the-top praise this early in a skater’s career.

    Good to see that you seriously do give Adam some credit, Ziggy. Maybe Brian Orser agrees with some of your detailed critiques of Adam’s skating, and they are working hard to help him meet your high standards. BTW, what music would you like Adam to skate to, Z? Why not send him your ideas. He would probably appreciate your interest and input. Who are your ideal skaters, Ziggy? Is there any program that David Wilson has choreographed that you like? Perhaps there’s something appealing that he did for Buttle or Yu Na? I’m asking out of curiosity, as a lot of people don’t seem to be that enamored of David’s work. Who are your favorite choreographers?


  35. Triple Butz

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    So, posture= detail and nuance? Which parts of his body are inexpressive?

    Define "complex music."

    Lack of transitions? A program does NOT have to have as many transitions as Abbott or Takahashi to be expressive. Rippon is definitely above average in his number of transitions and ability to perform them well. He isn't anywhere near the Johnny Weir school of choreography.

    Do you have any knowledge or background in music or dance? From your description, it sounds as though you don't.
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  36. paskatefan

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    Gosh Ziggy, are you a coach or a skater, or a judge, or just a long-time armchair fan? I doubt that Adam’s many admirers feel there aren’t areas where he can continue to improve and to grow as a skater. For fans to feel that right now Adam is able to express a maturity and sensitivity to the music that not all young skaters possess doesn’t mean that those fans aren’t aware of the fact that it’s a budding maturity and that Adam still has miles to go. The wonderful thing is that Adam too knows how much more he needs to hone his skills and to grow artistically. He’s already accomplished a lot, and he’s poised to accomplish even more. Only time will reveal if Adam can fully deliver on his great promise. Luck is a factor as well as talent, and so many other variables. I wish Adam lots of luck. I know I’ll feel lucky watching him continue to develop. My take: I would refrain from over-critical judgment, as well as over-the-top praise this early in a skater’s career.

    Good to see that you seriously do give Adam some credit, Ziggy. Maybe Brian Orser agrees with some of your detailed critiques of Adam’s skating, and they are working hard to help him meet your high standards. BTW, what music would you like Adam to skate to, Z? Why not send him your ideas. He would probably appreciate your interest and input. Who are your ideal skaters, Ziggy? Is there any program that David Wilson has choreographed that you like? Perhaps there’s something appealing that he did for Buttle or Yu Na? I’m asking out of curiosity, as a lot of people don’t seem to be that enamored of David’s work. Who are your favorite choreographers?



    Thank you, aftershocks. I couldn't have stated this better. One of the most thoughtful, intelligent insights in this whole thread. :)
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  37. skatesindreams

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    Ziggy, what skaters do you like?
    I would really like to know.
  38. floskate

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    This. I come from a background in Performing Arts. I trained professionally, worked professionally and now teach dance, musical theatre and singing as well as choreograph a lot of material for my students so I DO know what I'm talking about. Adam absolutely has total full body musical expression within the style in which he skates . All this talk about who has good upper body expression always amuses me. What exactly are people looking for when they talk about this?

    If you look at his programs from last season, you will see numerous examples where he fully utilises his upper body to the extent that his centre of gravity completely shifts making the skating much more difficult . Hardly any of the top men do this so I don't see where all the comparisons to un-named skaters with miraculous upper body movement are coming from. Who are these miracle movers?????

    Adam has much to improve on, not least - for me at any rate as I have already mentioned - his crossovers which do grate, but the rest of his skating is developing so nicely. And there is nothing wrong with admiring and appreciating what he does well, now. Adam has superior extension to most men currently competing, excellent awareness of line, posture, epaulement, whole body alignment etc. He has excellent turnout for a boy which allows him so much more mobility without ever sacrificing placement for extension. This is very rare in any skater and should be enjoyed. Do I need to go on? :D

    I do agree that his choreography from Wilson doesn't stretch him to the artistic level it could, but then sacrifices will always have to be made for consitency in this sport under this system. I'm sure as Adam becomes more comfortable with his technical content, that we will see things like transitions increase in difficulty.
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  39. Triple Butz

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    I know what you mean. I have three degrees in classical music performance and play professionally in two symphony orchestras, and it always makes me giggle to see what some people think does and doesn't express the music. They think anything that goes "boom" is a crescendo and make vague, unintelligible descriptions about a piece of music, or its choreography because they don't have any kind of musical lexicon to draw from. I don't think anyone should be afraid to share their opinions just because they don't have a lot of experience, but what bothers me is when a post will take on an authoritative tone that is totally unwarranted given the poster's complete lack of musical knowledge.
  40. Sinclare

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    Rippon just scored 166.63 and won the Men's free skate at the Japan Open. If anyone caught the online tv stream it was amazing!
    I have been following the Orser - Kim saga and I have come to the conclusion that either Rippon is the hardest working skater out there or Orser is a great coach. He looked so much more mature, his stroking was smooth, jumps bigger and solid spot on triple axels. It was different not a typical Wilson smooth and flowing program and he sold it. I was impressed, the straight line is...:encore:!!!!