Actress Greta Scacchi's Shocking Revelation: My Cousin Fathered My Son

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Rex, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    She had an affair with her first cousin!
    Not a crime in her neck of the woods, but I cannot help but to find it unsettling...and now what will her son have to go through now that it's public knowledge? Before, only family members knew.

    D'Onofrio sounds like a twat though.

    I always wondered what happened to her - she was white hot for a while and I loved her in Heat and Dust and White Mischief. She totally could have done a much better job than Sharon Stone did in Basic Instinct. I'm sure of it.

    But the admission about the paternity of her son? Skeevy? Or not? Discuss.
  2. Buzz

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    Ick... Such a close blood ties is not good for the child. I read that the world's oldest woman had married her first cousin and lived to see her only child die from illness. She also outlived her grandson. Best of luck to both her and the kid. Modern medicine can do wonderful things and hopefully her son has nothing to worry about too much.
  3. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    Not sure what all the fuss is about. Yes, there can be medical problems if first cousins have a child, but it's not illegal in Europe so it's hardly a scandal.
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  4. Catherine M

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    Not sure what the fuss is either.

    One set of great-grandparents on my mother's side were first cousins. It was quite common within their family, for first cousins to marry. I'd like to think I turned out ok!
  5. skatingfan5

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    It's not illegal in half the states in the U.S. either, so I don't see why the huge fuss either.
  6. Jayar

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    My brother in law is married to his first cousin. They have two kids intheir 20s and 30s. They are fine. It was hard for me as an outsider in the family because I was the first to join the family in years, but I barely think about it now.
  7. numbers123

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    In many smaller farming communities, it was common because it was a small population base and not easy to travel to other communities. First cousins, second cousins, etc.
  8. Jenny

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    I remember hearing about this many years ago - that she had the relationship, and then later had a child. She even says in the article that it was public from almost the beginning.
  9. DarrellH

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    It was quite common for royalty in Europe to marry cousins.
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    Penny still being on The Next Food Network Star is not illegal in Europe and at least 2/3 of the US, but people still can be upset about it.
  11. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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    I'm not even sure why this is being treated as a big revelation, unless Greta is trying to get her name back in the public eye and/or is looking for work.

    What the story doesn't mention is that prior to hooking up with her cousin, she was going out with Tim Finn (NZ musician, in Split Enz and Crowded House), and he so couldn't stand being away from her for any length of time that he basically sidelined his career and followed her around the world. And she dumped him (very bitterly and publicly) to be with her cousin, and the fact that he was her cousin was very well publicized at the time. So it's not like it's ever been a secret.

    And yes, I am a Tim Finn fan, and recall that at the time she dumped him there were a couple of thousand fangirls who thought she must be the stupidest woman on Planet Earth :lol:
  13. Rex

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    I remember the relationship with D'Onofrio, including some paparazzi shots of them bickering in public, but not the relationship with her cousin that resulted in a child.

    I don't know about that, but maybe a little stupid for letting D'Onofrio keep her from choosing film roles, maybe.
  14. duane

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    Common perhaps, but still icky. I mean, their parents are siblings! There are too many people in the world to date than someone who has the same grandparents as you.
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    Was this in the last issue of News of the World? ;)
  16. Rex

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    Good point.
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    I have a rule that if I share a common ancestor with someone within the last 4-5 generatons,it just isn't happening lol If someone else wants to,it's their business but it is something that doesn't interest me.
  18. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    What if cousins simply fall in love?
  19. Rex

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    IIRC, Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt were fifth cousins....were they not?
    When does it affect genetics? How close do you have to be related before the risk of defects increase?
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    I guess it depends on when simply falling in love is enough. Is it ok if we're talking brother and sister? Uncle and niece? Father and daughter? Your son and your brother's daughter? IMO, icky all around.
  21. Buzz

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    My cousins are more like brothers than my own brothers sometimes. It is just rrreally hard for me to imagine. :scream:
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    IIRC, incest doesn't necessarily mean anything as far as genetic problems or illness goes. I read a study that debunked that a while back. It's still sort of creepy just due to social norms, but yeah, overall sort of eh.

    I mean next thing you know, gays will be marrying or something :rofl:
  23. milanessa

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    I don't have a male first cousin worth looking at twice. :slinkaway
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    Okay, I'm not an expert at this, but in one generation, I believe the risks aren't large. However, when this happens over multiple generations, then the risks get larger. That's why some "small" populations have tendencies toward certain diseases or disorders...For example, Ohio Amish have a genetic tendency towards "Cohens syndrome," certain middle eastern tribes which intermarry have higher rates of certain genetic disorders than the general population, etc...

    I usually like to quote scientific sources, but this 60 Minutes article gives a very good explanation of Cohen's syndrome in the Ohio Amish:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/08/60II/main700519.shtml

    Here's one related to co-sanguinity and genetic disorders in Jordan: http://ncd.org.jo/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=132&Itemid=79
  25. Amy L

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    One of my first cousins is very close to my brother in terms of both age and looks. So... never ever ever....:slinkaway The other male first cousin I have is around 20 years old, I have not seen him since he was 8. I do not know where he lives or what he looks like now, so if I'm ever in a cougar phase I need to be careful of ever picking up any guy named Austin without looking at his birth certificate. :rollin:
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  26. Rex

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    From the Amish story:
    Can't argue with that kind of logic. They sound so willing to accept the risk.
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    I have two first cousins who have been married to each other for about 35 years (their mothers and my mother are sisters). They have three children who are all fine. Their mothers were very upset when they eloped but got over it. We still make jokes about them being their own cousins by marriage. That, and other things, too (those two cousins always were a bit strange). :shuffle:
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    It may be another of those instances where the celebrity makes the revelation (comes out, etc.) because the "reporter" has come to them saying that an article is being written on this. Do they have any statements that can be added? Chad Allen had this happen. He was told he was about to be outed by a tabloid, that had proof. Did he want to be interviewed to do this nicely, or should the tabloid put their spin on the whole thing.
  29. dinakt

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    I don't get the ick factor. I get that if can complicate a child's genetical make-up, especially if repeated through generations, but do not emotionally feel that first cousins are automatically taboo. Who do you think people in small villages married 500 years ago? I think it depends much more on circumstances of upbringing- if you played your whole life with a first cousin, he/she will probably feel more like a brother/ sister; if you saw each other first at 18, it might feel differently.
  30. Jenya

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    My mom's younger sister married their first cousin, who they did grow up with and were very close to as children. :yikes: They've been married for 30 years and have two children and grandchildren, so I guess it worked out for them, but it was pretty awkward when I figured out as a 5 year-old that they were related and their own children didn't even know. :lol:
  31. Beefcake

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    Yes. That's probably the sekret reason why those two weren't having torrid, hot, animal sex all the time. :saint:
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  32. Beefcake

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    ITA. But my cousin, who is my age but went to a neighboring high school, apparently thought that first base wouldn't be too gross. Junior year she suggested to me that "we should 'practice' make out, so that we'll be better with the opposite sex." As I recall, she didn't notice my :yikes: the first time she made that suggestion, but caught it clearly the second time, a few weeks later.

    That said, I fear wonder what would've happened if it were her older brother who had made that suggestion. :slinkaway
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    Mine, too -- maternal great-grandparents were first cousins. They came to America from Ireland, and married once they were here.

    Reading as many historical books from England as I do, I see it all the time. don't see it as that big a deal.

    -Bridget
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    The world is smaller because of modern transportation. But it wasn't always so small. At least in rural communities it was difficult to find a larger dating/marriage pool.

    If you and your next door neighbor grew up together, played together, fought each other and later married, is that an ick factor? You grew up together, practically lived with each other, your parents knew each other - probably having family dinners together, etc.

    Personally my older male cousin was not someone, even if we were not cousins, that I would consider dating material. The other male cousins were younger than me and I found them to be too "childish".
  35. PRlady

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    My daughter's cousins on my side of the family are not blood-related, since they're my stepsiblings' kids. I once pointed out to her that she could marry her eldest cousin, a Prince-William-look-alike who's a very nice and smart guy. Ewwwwww, was her reaction; they've grown up as cousins from birth and the incest taboo kicked right in.

    My ex-husband had a short fling with his first cousin, though. I thought it was icky at the time and still do.
  36. danceronice

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    You're not any more likely to have genetic problems with first cousins than anyone else unless the family's already known to carry a nasty double recessive. Full siblings and parent/child, obviously, there's a much higher risk of passing those on.

    The Westermarck effect would only apply if you actually were closely raised with cousins from an early age. I wouldn't know most of my first cousins if I tripped over them, so that varies by family.

    I wouldn't suggest you keep doing it repeatedly, but we linebreed and inbreed animals all the time and don't get freaks and monsters.
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    I have two first cousins who did'nt get married but they did live together and have a child about twenty years ago. Most of the family thought it was gross, especially since they had grown up together. Of course both those families did some stuff the rest of us considered less than normal. And in my dad's crazy family that is something. The kid is fine but I do think she has about five half-siblings between her parents other relationships.

    What I was most surprised about from the OP was D'Onofrio. I knew he was off because I was a L&O:CI fan and I had read stuff about him that was ****!!! The way he treated his girlfriend and child was shocking though. He just up and left because he could'nt stand crying and did'nt want a family anymore? I had gotten the impression that his daughter lived with him and his current wife part of the time. Maybe I was wrong. But honestly what an ass****.

    As for Greta I don't think its really bad. I am sure she saw stuff in Hollywood that would that story look tame.
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  38. skatingfan5

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    Perhaps the fact that I don't have any cousins (my parents were only children) makes it hard for me to feel the "ick factor" that so many have expressed in this thread. A high school friend married her stepbrother (their parents married while my friend and her stepbrother were in 9th or 10th grade). Even though they were not related at all biologically, it did make me just a bit uncomfortable at the time.
  39. Rex

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    :rofl: STOP IT!!!
  40. moojja

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    I disagree. For example, if you compare the chihuahua to the wolf. They're just freaks and monsters that we want. :)

    Although first cousins are not likely to have any genetic issues. It took a long time for a wolf to become a chihuahua and we were breeding for it.