3 women abducted as teens a decade ago found alive in Cleveland; 3 brothers arrested

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  1. OliviaPug

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    My ex-husband's 911 call and the 911 operator's instructions to him saved my life. I really believe it's just like anything in life. There are good operators and bad operators, and even the good ones have bad days. But having a bad day as a 911 operator could have far more serious consequences than the average job.

    More than anything, this story makes me angry ... angry at the perpetrators of such a horror, angry at the cops, angry at the neighbors (even though they may have done nothing wrong). I know I should feel happy that these women are still alive, and I certainly AM happy they're alive, but all I can do now is feel angry. I would NOT be a neutral juror in this case!

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  2. skatingfan5

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    I heard several of the people from that neighborhood express very mixed feelings -- happiness that those three young women were now free but also shame that it happened in their neighborhood and that they were not aware of it to intervene much earlier.
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    I know Charles Ramsey (the dude who helped save Amanda) said any reward should go to the women but maybe McDonalds could give him a commercial spot. Mickey D’s already targets urban communities so it would fit right in.
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  5. Skittl1321

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    I hope he gets something from someone. He mentioned that money problems had previously kept him up at night, so he's clearly not well off.
  6. Garden Kitty

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    I suspect McDonalds might think a commercial would appear to capitalize on the victim's horror, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of corporate award (with a financial reward attached) or at least an awful lot of free hamburgers. I heard that he wanted any rewards to go to the victims and I was even more impressed by his behavior in this.
  7. Jenny

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    My gut reaction is to agree that a commercial is not the way to go, and I also think a reward isn't quite right either. In theory, he did what any good citizen and neighbour should do, and I'd hate for people to think they should only help others if there's some monetary gain involved.

    But I do like the idea of giving him and his family some sort of citizenship award if they have one, and certainly all the burgers and fries they want :)
  8. taf2002

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    Charles Ramsey did what anyone (or most people) would do so in that sense he isn't heroic. He didn't go into a burning building or jump into a lake to rescue someone out of a sinking car. But how he has handled himself afterwards has impressed me very much - from taking Amanda into his home & calling 911 & making her feel safe to refusing a reward. But his town should certainly give him some kind of citizenship award & I think he would be great on the talk show circuit. He & Ellen would be a scream together.
  9. dardar1126

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    I agree. I had a similar discussion with my mom last night. Mr. Ramsey is admirable for taking action, and for not thinking it was none of his business.

    But I think people use the term "hero" too often and too loosely these days.
  10. Skittl1321

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    I agree with the word admirable, but probably not heroic. However, I'm not sure most people would do anything- too often people just go about their own business and don't go an extra effort to help people in need, especially in a situation described as "I thought it was a domestic violence sort of thing", neighbors are heard screaming, and people ignore.
  11. dardar1126

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    Very true.
  12. Kasey

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    I would tend to disagree on the neighbor not being a hero. Yes, in a civilized and decent society, it would just be what anyone else would do; however, it seems more and more in the U.S., that is not the world we live in. People are (speaking generally) very self-centered, and don't really go out of their way to help each other out; I am willing to use the word "hero" for someone who goes above and beyond, like Mr. Ramsey did, when so many people would have just ignored the whole situation.
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    Wait a minute, press conference, Ariel Castro charged with 4 counts total of I believe 3 counts of rape and one charge of kidnapping (that doesn't make sense, shouldn't he be charged with kidnapping all three), BUT NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING charged against his two brothers. I am ???
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    I'm guessing (hoping) that since the investigation is just in the beginning stages, that further charges will follow, including charges against the other two brothers. Scum, all of them.
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    I hope you are right. It makes no sense at all that only one of the three was charged.

    After the girls/women tell their stories, it will be clear what happened and the other two would be charged too, I think.
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    That is a great example as to why many people are hesitant to help others. Him being convicted of domestic violence doesn't take away from what he did. I don't want to excuse what he was convicted of 10 years ago, but he didn't ask to be hurled into the spotlight. He shouldn't be put on trial of public opinion just for helping a woman in need.
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  18. Lacey

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    That was four counts of rape and 3 of kidnapping.

    The other two have small misdemeanor charges which will be addressed in court tomorrow. And I hope they can hold them, otherwise I fear that they might scoot.
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    Michelle Knight's story kills me. The other two cases received significant attention, and it seems like those girls have at least some family to go back to. But Knight's own brother didn't know she had gone missing and she was not close to her mother. I hope she gets the support and help she needs.
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    I'm on my iPod Mini and learning the ropes on it still, otherwise I'd share the link, anyway... If you go over to CBC.ca, you'll find an article on how that idiot is now being investigated on her "handling" of the call. A transcript of the entire call is over there too.

    This entire story is just unbelievable and while we toss around the term hero these days, Amanda Berry is w/out a doubt one. Now the really hard road starts. Getting their lives back and also adjusting to the World of Today.
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    I'm sure that if Amanda hadn't been so desperate to escape, she would have first asked Charles if he had any priors. :rolleyes:
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    I read that the police had actually been to the home a few times but since nobody answered they never followed up! One call was someone saying it looked like a woman w/a baby was in there and looking like they wanted out. By the time cops showed up, nobody answered so away they went. SICK. SCARY. (Someone could have been disabled or died of CO2 poisoning, etc.) Meanwhile, we all know of cases where child protective services or the police have to actually go in a home briefly just to follow up on false complaints made by psycho exes, nasty neighbors, haters, etc. even when they know it is bogus and just clogging up the system and taking workers time/tax money.
    In this case, nobody answers so it's just "Oh well"........
    Infuriating all around!!
    I heard the young ladies all got in the car willingly.
    Sickos prey on any age. Think of women joggers who have vanished, or were in their apt. one minute and gone the next.
    Hope they will all come home safely!
  24. Rob

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    I just saw a Spanish speaking man on the news who said Charles Ramsey didn't show up until after he had already pulled Amanda and her child out and they were already on the phone with 911.
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    Saw that on Anderson Cooper earlier, two neighbors say it was the Spanish gentleman who pulled Amanda from the house, not Charles Ramsey, he didn't cross the street until she was already on the phone with 911
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    At the time that Johnny disappeared several other 12 year olds were abducted and brutally murdered in the Omaha area and John Joubert was tried, convicted and put to death for those murders, including one in Maine. I have always thought that there might be a connection although no physical connection had been made. The day of his arrest John was near a pre-school where my son was in the car with his baby sister who was to drop off another child in her care.
    I called 911 about 6 weeks ago when my husband fainted and I could not get a BP reading. The operator was extremely helpful and kind. I do think it like in life, you get the bad with the good
  27. judiz

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    I believe 911 operators are told not to show emotion as they do not want to add to the emotional upset of the caller, but I do agree the 911 operator should had remained on the line with Amanda until the police arrived just to make sure her kidnapper didn't show up and grab her again.
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    I wonder if that is how Gina was kidnapped, she thought she was going with someone she knew and could trust.
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    That's what the son suspects. It would explain why no one saw her being kidnapped off a busy street in broad daylight...she wasn't. She got into the car willingly thinking he'd drive her home, but he then kidnapped her instead.

    As well as feeling sorry for those girls, I feel so sorry for Castro's kids. Imagine finding out that your father had kidnapped your best friend and held her for 9 years? Or that when you visited a few times a year, there were women locked up there and you had no idea? His kids didn't have much contact with him after he tried to kill their mother in 1993 after she had brain surgery. Charming man :scream:
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    How did Amanda give birth to her child? I'm guessing it wasn't at a hospital *shudder*:(
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    My guess is she gave birth at the house and the other women were ordered to help with the delivery. I heard on CNN yesterday that one of the girls had been threatened with death if the baby didn't survive. Apparently there were five pregnancies during the past ten years but only one resulted in a live birth.
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    They reported last night that the older girl, Michelle, was forced to help Amanda deliver the baby in a small children's pool (so as to contain all of the blood, amniotic fluid, etc.) The baby stopped breathing for a bit and Castro threatened to kill them if the baby didn't survive.

    Michelle also reported that she had five pregnancies- all resulting in miscarriage after Castro repeatedly punched her in the stomach and starved her :(

    I hope this man rots in Hell.
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  34. genegri

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    Nothing, absolutely nothing, can punish that man enough. But I hope we try.

    If that's not pure evil, I don't know what is.
  35. Jenny

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    I can't figure out why there was an immediate focus on all three brothers, and now only is charged. They must have had reason to bring in all three - it had to have come from the women - so what's changed?
  36. danceronice

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    Um...if the police don't have probable cause they can SEE (not "a woman with a baby was in the house and the observer thought she looked like she wanted to go outside", which could have a lot of explanations that don't involve foul play) they can't just bust down doors and go charging in. And it would be hard to get a warrant based on "We had a call about someone in the house, but when we arrived no one answered and there was no evidence of a break-in, fire, someone in imminent distress..." Especially if they'd been IN the house during any of the kidnapping searches and not found anything, they had no reason to think there was anything going on. The guy clearly had them well hidden and was an accomplished liar. The police aren't psychic and they do have rules about probable cause.

    As for why the third victim didn't get as much attention--again, unless there's evidence of foul play, when an adult disappears, there's only so much the police can do. Adults can voluntarily disappear if they want to, minors can't.
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    Exactly. The police didn't believe she'd been abducted. She was never listed as missing because when she disappeared, they investigated and found she'd probably left of her own accord. It seems that she didn't have the happiest home life and she still hasn't been reunited with her family because of it.
  38. snoopy

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    Perhaps all three were just there at the house, when the police went to arrest Ariel?
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    They're also wanted for other misdemeanours and are still being held because of those...maybe there was an assumption they were involved and after talking to the women the police realised they weren't?
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    I heard one report a while back that Michele's brother had visited her and it is her mother she is refusing to see. I hope that us true because she needs someone with her and not to be alone.