2014 Olympic Figure Skating Team Trophy Event in Sochi

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Simone411, Sep 21, 2013.

  1. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

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    I think the poster means that it will be much easier for some people to medal in the team event than it would for that same skater to medal in their own event.
     
  2. Skating678

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    There could potentially be a number of skaters who have no chance at an Olympic medal in their own event, but who end up still winning a medal in the team event simply because they are lucky enough to have elite skaters from their country.

    Also - I wonder how skaters will prepare for the team event, especially considering it has never been done before. My guess is that we will see a lot of skaters have the skate of their life at the team event and then do terribly in their own event or vice versa.
     
  3. MissJD

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    I think it'll be particularly interesting in pairs and dance since v/t and s/s and v/m and d/w pretty much have silver and gold individuals locked up. I would think those teams wouldn't want direct comparisons prior to their own events... Maybe v/m and d/w can make plans since Marina will know who's doing what (i.e one do short and one do free), but the pairs don't have that option. (While pondering this I don't remember if GER is in the running for teams anyway, so forgive me if they aren't!)
     
  4. Proustable

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    S/S aren't skating the team event, according to Steuer.
     
  5. mia joy

    mia joy New Member

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    May I ask what is the point of having the team event BEFORE everyone's individual events? I mean, obviously some of the top skaters might ditch it in order to be in shape for their big individual performances.
     
  6. sap5

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    :bribe::bribe::bribe:

    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130316&content_id=42839970&vkey=ice_news

    US media has a lot of say in how the Olympics runs.
     
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  7. mia joy

    mia joy New Member

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    Ok, speechless. I don't even know what to say to this. Does the entire world really have to be subordinating to whatever US wants?

    US media sucks, by the way, for promoting ladiezzz as "the big thing".

    (I hope the wonderful Americans we have on this forum will forgive me for saying this)
     
  8. reut

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    Here is an excerpt from the recent Berton/Hotárek interview where they talk about team event. I thought it might be interesting to see their point of view.

    http://www.absoluteskating.com/interviews/2013bertonhotarek3.html
     
  9. NadineWhite

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    This brand new Olympic Team Event is honestly the one I'm most looking forward to! I can't wait to see whom will win silver & bronze, the stategies used, the highs & lows, whom will choke (hopefully nobody! :yikes:) and whom will rise to the occasion and secure their country a medal. :smokin:

    ps: I don't blame those countries that don't have a chance at a medal for not wanting to compete, rather save their best (& energy) for their individual event. Jmho. :)
     
  10. toddlj

    toddlj Livestreams at 1am on Thanksgiving weekend? OK!

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    Not to worry, we generally all hate our media as much or more than the rest of the world does.
     
  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    If someone else offers more :bribe: with a different agenda, I'm sure the IOC would be happy to oblige.
     
  12. manhn

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    Technically, perhaps it would be. A skater just needs to skate either the SP/SD or the LP/FD in the team event to qualify for a medal. A skater can't do that in the individual event, even if they have an incredible lead after the short. ;)

    With Russia, they can easily split the programs for their pairs, ice dance and (maybe) ladies. With the US, it'd be dance, (maybe) pairs, (maybe) men, (maybe) ladies. With Canada, it'd be dance, pairs, (maybe) men, and (maybe) ladies.
     
  13. savedbyscreetch

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    I despise the team event. Should have taken synchro instead. It cheapens the individual medals, while catering to the kiss-kiss, everyone becomes BFF's mentality that has hurt the sport in developing rivalries and personalities in recent years.
     
  14. Meteorlight

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    Me too! I never knew about this, but I'm furious now that I do. I'll admit, I hate the idea of the team event (though since it's now a done deal I'm also a bit intrigued), because skating just seems so much of an individual (or duo) sport. However, having the team event before the individual events is just adding salt to injury, esp. in light of the fact it was all about marketing! How inconsiderate of those who toiled away for years to make it there - NBC wouldn't even have anything to advertise without the athletes - absolutely disgusting.

    Shame more on the ISU/IOC for caving in - again, what would they be without the athletes, who they should be PROTECTING not selling out to the highest bidder! I know that $$ makes the world go round, but honestly, what could NBC POSSIBLY have threatened them with?? Not airing those events during the Olympics? Not likely. The US is pretty much a shoo-in for a medal, and anyone who's seen the London coverage will know they'd cut out enough foreign competitors to make room for the Americans when that's the case. Threaten to not extend their regular season broadcast contracts? Again, doubtful. They already air so little as it is, and I highly doubt they'd refrain from negotiating a better price in the future just because the ISU catered to them this time. Besides, it's not like that network is brimming with ratings successes these days lined up just itching to take the place of the little skating broadcasts (and even less the more popular sports under the purview of the IOC) they do. IMO the IOC has much greater leverage than NBC (aka the network being saved by its sports programing) these days. I'm sure there were loads of bts shenanigans that we don't know about at play, but until all that comes to light, I'm of the opinion that they should've just called NBC's bluff. Epicfail.

    On a separate note, I really don't understand the rationale behind the team skating event (honestly thought it was a joke when I first heard it). I don't think it's at all comparable to other Olympic team events, where the atheletes are still competing in the same disciplines - offering and being evaluated for the same skill sets. Team relays (track, speed skating, swimming, etc.) are a given, though arguably the team medley in swimming comes closest to Team Skating (but still, swimming is swiming aka moving forward in water, and I'm sure any swimmer at the Olympics can swim all the different styles even if they may not excel at each). Yes there are apparatus specialists in gymnastics, and not everyone on the team competes in each apparatus rotation, but if need be each team member IS capable of filling in for one another. That's just NOT the case in skating - I fail to see how the ice dancers would be able to do a pairs program, and likewise between all these disciplines.

    The skating team event is more the equivalent of a gymnastics "team" competition consisting of the men's and women's teams for both artistic AND rhythmic gymnastics, plus the trampoliners, and I really can't see that being allowed at the OG, ever. These would all make for cool entertaining casual competitions (like the WTT), but in the context of the Olympics, it just doesn't seem fair/right (and borderline comical).

    Anyway, in happier news, at least Greco-Roman Wrestling is back in the Olys :cheer2:
     
  15. Liz V

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    Not completely sure why they couldn't move the ladies events as they are currently on a Wed & Thurs. (other than it's too late for this Olympics). Really hope they change the schedule for 2018. They could even advertise the team event as a way to see the individual champions again. In addition, other than the 21st, none of the short track sessions go that far in the evening. I guess they would run into how much they could technically air on tv on a single night being an issue.

    Would love the schedule to be more like:
    2/8 PSP
    2/9 PLP
    2/11 MSP
    2/12 MLP
    2/13 SD
    2/14 FD
    2/16 LSP
    2/17 LLP
    2/19 Team shorts
    2/20 Team Longs
    2/22 Ex
     
  16. blueglass

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the US media is historically the reason the Olympics has become the huge event that it is. Television rights are pretty costly and the IOC probably holds everyone's hands to the fire in negotiating contracts. The viewers won't lose but the skaters sure will. I really wonder how the countries with the strongest teams - US, Canada, Russia - will balance the desire for the team gold medal with the skaters desire for an individual medal. I can see where they might be leaned on to compete two programs.
     
  17. Skating678

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    Pretty much.

    Given the depth of talent in US men's figure skating or even ice dance, it doesn't make much sense to me. I guess because figure skating is considered a feminine sport, the ladies are still the grand finale. Watching the Olympic ladies event is almost like watching a beauty pageant sometimes with the way the media treats these athletes.
     
  18. rosewood

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    NBC :bribe::bribe:

    :mitchell:
     
  19. A.H.Black

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    Whether we like it or not, American media rights are by far the largest chunk of money the Olympics receives. This has been true for a very long time. The U. S. media promotes what makes money for them so they can pay that chunk of money - and in the U. S. that happens to be the Ladies event (I wish it were men's). Companies that purchase advertising also want to get their money's worth for the money they spend. If they are going to pay that big chunk of money, they want it to be for the highest ratings they can get. In the U. S. the highest ratings are for the Ladies event.

    If we want the Olympics to continue, it takes money. Lots and lots of money. Right now, the majority of that money is coming from the U. S. media.


    As for the schedule, the team event has issues whether it's at the beginning or at the end. When it's at the beginning, the ladies are at a disadvantage as many of them either come late or leave the Olympic city to train in a less stressful environment. If it's at the end, some skaters have to stay longer than they normally would. If you put the team event in the middle (between Men's and Dance) that presents it's own issues. I think the beginning is as good a time as any.
     
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  20. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

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    Maybe they will consider putting it at the end next time, and using the individual events as qualifiers, then take the top 6 teams and have a final round of sorts.

    They would have to identify the 10 teams under consideration prior to the games, though, so that teams which had only qualified in two disciplines but had earned enough as a country to be in the top 10 could bring their skater or team so that they were represented in 3 disciplines.
     
  21. rosewood

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    I wish the team event was on the end of the schedule so that the skaters could do their best in their individual events in Sochi. Judo has been doing the team event and it's been on the end of the schedule. On the other hand, first of all I wish they had Synchronized event in stead of the team event to expand the range of the sport. Maybe it's difficult for the reason of costs, though.
     
  22. sap5

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    This has been going on for years.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/summer/2006-10-26-beijing-finals_x.htm
     
  23. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    ^I was just about to post a similar thing. It seemed so weird to have medal finals in gymnastics, for example, starting at 10am and such.
     
  24. Domshabfan

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    Judo has a team event at the world championships, but not at the Olympics.
     
  25. Frau Muller

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    I can see it now - two days of NBC promoting Gracie Gold before the traditional events occur (assuming she makes the team).That's why I'll be holed-up in Canada during the entire Olympics. FREEDOM from NBC's :bribe: agenda!
     
  26. rosewood

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    Ah, thanks for the correction. I mixed them up. According to the schedule of Judo World Championships 2013, they had individual events from Augst 26 to August 31, 2-3 events/day. And they had team event on September 1. I love seeing the team event of Judo. It gives us different joy from individual ones. It's a kind of extra event. It's a good opportunity for them to support/be supported by their teammates. And in the case like they are not satisfied with their individual events, they are given one more chance to show what they can do. That's good. They seem they like the team event. While the story might be different when the team event is on the begining of the schedule.
     
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  27. clairecloutier

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    In a way I agree with this. I think it'd be easier for the skaters to focus on the team event after they have their individual events out of the way. But, there are probably arguments either way. In Olympic gymnastics, the team event is before all the individual events, and that seems to work out pretty well.
     
  28. Theatregirl1122

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    Remembering that only two can be split and that, by splitting, the team might be sacrificing points. Maybe each US man or US pair would place in a similar location, but I think splitting dance would be a mistake for any team. For example, if V&M and D&W skate both the short and the long, they are likely to place first or second in both components. If Weaver & Poje and Chock & Bates skate one segment, they will not achieve the finishes that D&W and V&M would achieve. Chock and Bates, for example, would likely fall behind several couples in the SD. Countries will have to be very strategic about who they sub out in the team event. It really only works if you have two teams likely to finish in the same place relative to the other teams in the event.
     
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  29. Simone411

    Simone411 Just Flip-Flopping Around

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    That would also include all the commercials from sponsors such as this one:

    1997 Campbells Soup Commercial
     
  30. skatesindreams

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    If the US controls the media coverage, as claimed; why is what we get mostly non-existent?