2013 Nationals in Omaha to include Juvenile and Intermediate Nationals, too

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  1. taf2002

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    You may be able to buy your tickets right away. I bought my Dallas Nats all-event tickets at the box office & I think it was while the pre-sale was going on. If you're buying a block of seats it's so much easier to do it in person.
  2. gkelly

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    Nationals is always earlier in Olympic years.

    But before Four Continents was a consideration, it was often in February in non-Olympic years.
  3. TanithandBenFan

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    Spokane 2010 was mid-late January, around the same time as recent Nationals.
  4. Carolla5501

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    Yes! Sorry, but they KNOW they can get more and will charge it!

    LOL!

    It's not sold out and probably won't be. 1. Hotel chains don't "load" their rooms/rates this early. 2. USFSA and the tour groups ALWAYS wind up giving back rooms. I have stayed at the "offical" hotel at lot of Nationals where they said it was "sold out" If you want to pay the price just keep checking! It will sell out but it's not "sold out" today. (Heck I could have moved to the Shearton at any point in Greensboro last year but it's a dump IMHO) The only "sold out" hotel for San Jose according to thier website is the Marriott, which can be booked on Marriott.com
  5. TanithandBenFan

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    Marriott.com doesn't show any rooms available in San Jose for the Nationals dates and it hasn't since last January. I've played this game many times, too. ;) I thought the Sheraton in Greensboro was very nice. Hope that city and hotel hosts again sometime.
  6. numbers123

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    There are many hotels within walking distance of the arena (within a 10 - 15 block radius). If you head towards the Old Market area or even to slightly west of the arena, there will be good lighting and plenty of people walking to their cars. As Princess indicated many of the downtown or mid-town hotels have shuttles. While the Hilton may be the main hotel for skaters, judges, press etc. there can be plenty of lobby chicking in the arena walkways/concourse. The Old Market area has many restaurants and bars that will most likely be frequented by skaters/families/etc.

    Winter is unpredictable. Living here all my life, there have been usually warm Januarys, colder than usual Januarys, no snow/ice Januarys, lots of snow/ice. I wouldn't begin to predict what the weather will be like, because if you don't like the weather it will change in a half-hour :). January weather can be unpredictable in any place. Remember the cold snap in Atlanta, the ice storm in Portland,?
  7. PDilemma

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    There are great restaurants in the Old Market district for you to all look forward to...a link:

    http://www.oldmarket.com/dining.asp

    Higher priced places on that list that we love: Nicola's Italian, The Flatiron, and the French Cafe

    Mid-priced: M's Pubb, La Buvette (for wine, breads, cheeses--amazing wine list there), Stokes, Upstream (microbrews for beer lovers), Zio's Pizza (really cheap lunches!), and Spaghetti Works.

    For bakery items: Wheatfield's is to die for.

    I'll be back to remind you all in a year! :) Seriously, you'll like Omaha.
  8. Carolla5501

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    Just looked and it showed me a room at $299 a night for Wed through Sunday.... Would I pay that??? No, but I did book via Marriott.com earlier and got a better rate then the "official" website.
  9. TanithandBenFan

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    Do you have a special corporate code because I checked for Wed-Sun, too, and got nothing. I booked a long time ago but have been checking for friends.
  10. Carolla5501

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    Nope, I wasn't even logged into the webpage. Maybe it sold out between when I checked and you did. As I said it was $300 a night so... not sure it's worth it! (I don't think it's THAT nice a Marriott!) Are you trying to get more then one room? Sometimes that will mess you up. If they just have one room and you want two it will show "sold out"

    However, the website does appear to be incorrect as i was just told the Hilton is sold out and that doesn't show on the web.

    My experience has been that you have a group of cancellations about now and another right after the holidays (probably when folks realize that they should have bought airfare and now it's going to cost LOTS of money?) So I would keep checking.

    (I did just check and this time it didn't come up, but I expect it will come back. Heck my room may become available. Job change may prevent this trip from happening... will let you know if that happens and you can have the room)
  11. sk9tingfan

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    I just went out to the website and available rooms are only offered through November of 2012.
  12. TanithandBenFan

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    Sorry for the confusion - we were talking about the Marriott in San Jose. :)

    The 2013 Nationals website has gone live.
  13. Skittl1321

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    When we went to Omaha (just for a long weekend vacation- we wanted to go somewhere fun within driving distance) we went to dinner at http://www.levoltaireomaha.com/ and it was amazing! Kind of far away from the "downtown" area- but if you have a car, and the crazy highways aren't icy (seriously- I live in the midwest, but how do they keep those clean? They are roller coaster hills) it is well worth the drive. Amazing food. I want to go back!
  14. Rob

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    I think a city like Omaha is kind of perfect for skating competitions. There are tourist attractions to see and restaurants to eat in if you don't feel like watching practices or all of the events. But it isn't a major tourist city where I would be torn between attending practices or novice skating and seeing more of the city. And it isn't so small that it is hard to find restaurants open. That is why I liked Greensboro. There were some nice galleries and craft shops downtown, restaurants were open -- but I didn't feel the need to see more of the city instead of going to the events, practices, going to the gym, or just taking a nap. Nationals is a lot of skating!
  15. Carolla5501

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    Does anyone know if they will be selling tickets at the San Jose Nationals? Might be a way to avoid those Ticket Master fees. (I will be waiting to see just in case)
  16. sk9tingfan

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    Well, I checked out the prices for hotel rooms for January, 2012 and compared them to the prices cited on the Omaha, NEB 2013 Nationals website and they are charging what they believe the market will bear.

    Hotel Current January Next January

    Hilton $113 $152
    Doubletree $127 $149
    Hampton Inn $ 84 $134
    Hilton Gardens $134 $159

    So much for a less expensive Nationals given the location and all of the other factors, i.e. no or few direct flights from the Northeast and relative high ticket prices. And, I was annoyed at San Jose! 2014 better be on the East coast and preferably Boston or a surrogate city!
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  17. acraven

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    I'm not surprised that normal mid-winter rates in Omaha are a lot lower. For Nationals we always seem to get the disadvantage of a big event (high demand, fixed supply) and none of the advantages that could come from negotiating rates. (Boston was an exception; the LOC did a fabulous job of negotiating hotel rates, so it can be done.) I always try to book really early, before every hotel in the area knows about the event. Omaha foiled that strategy by putting the hotel list together so far in advance.

    The cancellation policies are also a concern. There's a lot of verbiage that probably applies only to block bookings, but I can't be sure. When you're reserving under a group rate (albeit one that's overpriced), do "individual" cancellation penalties apply to you? What if you are booking 3 rooms, or 6? If we're all booking as individuals, why are all those horrendous penalties even mentioined? I've never seen language like this when booking for Nationals, and I'm certainly not risking a 100% penalty (nearly $2000) if I have to cancel about 30 days out. I'm seeking clarification, but they don't make it easy: The telephone number at the bottom of the hotel list .pdf goes to a fax machine.
  18. Carolla5501

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    Personally I would not book this early and practically NEVER book via the "official" method.

    The "official" method generally has a much worse cancellation clause then you find at a hotel website. Not to mention that often the hotel does not make 100% of the rooms avaialble which means... cheaper rooms on thier website. (I got my San Jose room cheaper then via the "offical" site. Cancellation is day of arrival instead of several days in advance, no deposit just a credit card gurantee etc....)

    And that website is a DISASTER> They just copied the contract from the hotels under cancellation. There is NO way I would book via that website with that terminology in there.
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  19. acraven

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    I haven't been able to beat the official rates once the hotels know about the event; perhaps I've just been unlucky in the days I've checked for openings. I'm typically looking for a reasonably priced hotel within 1/2 mile of the arena, which somewhat limits my options. It helps if you're willing to risk being farther away and driving back and forth, but I don't want to do that.

    Having scored the last available room in the city for Providence Nationals, at a bed-and-breakfast that was a long, lonely, cold walk from the arena, I'm nervous until I have a reservation at a hotel near the arena.
  20. Carolla5501

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    Or what??? you will come on here and whine?

    I did a comparison of my costs.


    Tickets For the same seat it's actually CHEAPER for me to go to Omaha (excluding Ticketmaster fees) I have a seat in the corner at San Jose $502. Same seat in Omaha $485. Hotel. Hilton $159 a night in San Jose vs $152 in Omaha (per official websites) Cheapest airfare for the week of Nationals in January 2011 $390 to San Jose $379 to Omaha. (Can't check 2013 fares yet)

    Is it cheaper? No. Is it dramatically higher for me to go to Omaha? No. Did anyone promise it would be cheaper or was there just an "assumption"? I don't recall seeing this sold as "cheaper"

    I realize that the NE would be better for you, but sadly you are one person and what's good for you may not be good for someone else. :rolleyes: Somewhere in this thread there's a poster from Omaha. This is a great event for her.
  21. Carolla5501

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    A couple of suggestions. Always try the AAA rate if you have the card. They generally leave that rate loaded year round so... bingo! savings. Or call and ask. Did that a few years ago, which I normally don't do and got some weekend rate for $100 and had to pay the "event rate" for the weekdays. (This was one of the hotels in Cleveland that was connected to the arena via that mall, don't recall the name) Don't be afraid to have several reservations. Even in Greensboro I had 2 reservations for the same room/hotel. One night was a free night and the rest were paid.

    And then there is my "last chance" For several Nationals I have done Hotwire just before the event. If you study up you can figure out the hotel and I have gotten either the offical hotel or "nice" hotels near the offical hotel for a fraction of the rate. But to do this you have to be brave and cannot be booked with a "cancel 10 days in advance rate" (Hotwire does work better for big cities. Got a great hotel in LA for both nationals and Worlds for example)

    Sometimes my "holding" rate is higher then the offical rate. I am willing to do that because I have almost always found a deal close to the event and I would rather have the easy cancellation rules when that happens. I didn't do that last week for a convention in Houston and got screwed. Could have gotten a hotel half a block away from my Hilton for $100 but paid $190 for the Hilton! :( It had a 15 day cancel policy for the convention, but the time I found the 'deal' I was past the cancel date!
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  23. acraven

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    Omaha will NOT have a shuttle for fans. This information was provided by an employee of Destination Phoenix, which is apparently the event-management firm handling Omaha Nationals (or at least the hotel reservation part of the event). As indicated on the hotel-reservation web page, all the hotels have complimentary shuttles.

    I'm disappointed about this. Hotel shuttles don't have a lot of capacity, and there will probably be issues when everyone wants to go to the arena at the same time, especially if the city gets hit with snow and/or ice.
  24. Skittl1321

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    Have there been clubs in the NE bidding for the event?
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Yes, SC of Boston made a bid for 2010 Nationals to be held in Providence, Rhode Island but lost out to Spokane, WA.

    ETA: I didn't see a link posted in this thread to the 11/21 USFS press release about all-event tickets going on sale: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=47464&type=media
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  26. numbers123

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    There are a large number of hotels within walking distance to the arena. These hotels also have shuttles. I would wait and see what happens regarding shuttles/walking etc.

    I'm sorry that the US Nationals isn't coming up to your standards. I suspect that if you go to this website Omaha Sports Commission and post a question or comment, they will get back to you or at least acknowledge your concerns.

    Omaha has hosted the College Worlds Series since 1950 - the move of the stadium across the street from the Century Link arena where the skating competitions will be held has been the spark for building many hotels in the area surrounding the Century Link arena. Even if you choose to stay in a hotel nearer the airport (approximately a 10 minute drive from the arena, if there is lots of traffic) they have shuttles that I am sure would take you back and forth to the arena.

    Omaha has hosted the Olympic Swimming Trials both in 2008 and again in 2012. For both of those events a FULL SIZE OLYMPIC pool and practice pools have been built within the arena.

    Omaha has hosted the NCAA women's volleyball tournament. During winter weather.

    The hotels are accustom to large number of sports visitors. Maybe it is because I have lived here all my life, but I don't think of Omaha as particularly hilly. Sure there are some hills and the interstate can be a bit tricky during snow - most cities in northern part of the US can have those issues.

    If you are booking a hotel and not sure the distance to the arena, PM me when you have that information and I can give an idea of where it is located to the arena, the potential driving distances, or walking distances and the lighting around the area that you would be walking etc.
  27. acraven

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    I have nothing against Omaha, and I agree that there are a lot of hotels within what I normally consider walking distance. And the Old Market area sounds enticing. But it is Omaha in January, and getting back and forth between the hotel and the arena is a concern. I've experienced Nationals in Kansas City, St. Paul, and Minneapolis. I'll consider myself extremely lucky if all we face in Omaha is bitter cold, not ice and packed snow on the sidewalks.

    I do plan to walk between hotel and arena, but I'd like the option of using a shuttle if the weather turns hazardous. I don't want to have to fight with dozens of other people to get on a little hotel shuttle, nor will I count on their keeping those shuttles circulating constantly between hotel and arena from early morning till late at night. Won't shuttles have to be diverted for airport runs? Free airport transportation is very nice; I'm sure we'll all want to take advantage of it. Bottom line: For me, the hotel shuttles are in the "might be helpful at some point" category, definitely not something I can count on.
  28. TanithandBenFan

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    numbers, what's the public transportation like in Omaha? If they're not going to offer a shuttle, which absolutely boggles my mind because every single one of the eleven Nationals I've attended has had a shuttle system, then the city should have a good public bus system that runs early and late. I totally agree with Ann that hotel shuttles are nice, but they don't usually run on a reliable schedule like a Nationals-only transportation system.
  29. numbers123

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    When I reviewed the list of official hotels (which IIRC is where the official shuttles go to, right?), most of them are within a 5-14 block radius of the arena.

    I don't use the MAT system because I live too far away to know what it runs like at night, but like I said the hotels listed on the site are generally in a 1 mile radius of the arena
  30. euterpe

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    The Marriott is the closest (other than the Hilton) and is right down the road from the arena. Most of the others (except for the Fairfield and the Magnolia) are within a 10-13 minute walk. But that could be a very difficult walk on snowy/icy streets.
  31. Carolla5501

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    Has every Nationals had shuttles? Honestly I rarely bother to buy the ticket because I just don't find it worth it so...I just don't know. I did buy one in Spokane but...didn't in Greensboro, didn't in St Paul, don't recall for a lot of other cities, but really I think the only ones I bought and used were Los Angeles and Spokane (and even in LA it was just too much trouble at night so I walked home) Can't really see a good reason to buy one in San Jose either.
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    Since 2001, the only one I think didn't have a shuttle was Portland because they have the free light rail. Not sure about Cleveland because my hotel was connected to the arena.
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    So wonder why USFSA didn't make that a requirement...

    Oh wait, the fans will come regardless of what they do (Right?) :lol: So there's no need to make it easy on them.....:D
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    I'm pretty sure there will be shuttle transportation from the other official hotels other than the Hilton, but I'm not totally sure, and my mom isn't home right now, so I can't ask.:blah:

    Thanks, I'm probably going to be an official fan. :D Haha, just kidding, I'll be the ancient minus cute-factor sweeper. :hat1: I'm short, I can pull it off.... Emote overload!
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    Are you from Nebraska too? You said "we".... :eek:
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    :eek: Omaha person! Are you a skater? Chances are, I know you....
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    :eek: Omaha peep! If you're a skater, like I've said already to other people, I most likely know you!
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    I LOVE LOVE LOVE Spaghetti Works and Upstream. The Upstream in West Omaha is about 5 minutes in traffic from my house, so it's very convenient. And the root beer is so good, for those of you underage like me! Their food in general is excellent. And I've never been to the French Cafe, but it's my mom's favorite restaurant.
  39. MacMadame

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    It depends on how they do it. I've done events where the hotels knew what was up and ran extra shuttles and shuttles at special times. (For example, having them at 5am to get you to the start of a race and starting the free breakfast at 4am on top of it) I've also done events where the hotel was clueless -- the "free breakfast" started 2 hours after the race, no extra shuttles at the appropriate times.

    If it was me, I'd call the hotels I was interested in and ask what their plans are and pick the hotel with the best shuttle plan. :D
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    In your entire post, you said everything I wanted to say to that person! I refrained, however, because I'm kinda timid to talk back to people on here, since I'm new, and pretty young compared to a lot of the posters. Yeah, it's a great opportunity for the city, we're all so excited, my mom told me as soon as she found out that we got it, and then my coach told my whole group class that night, and the press release was the next morning, so when my coach told us, all 10 of us were jumping up and down (on the ice!) and shrieking. Granted, they're mostly 7-11 yrs old, but it's so exciting!