2013 Ladies World Podium

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Who will medal ?

  1. Carolina Kostner

    155 vote(s)
    59.6%
  2. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

    26 vote(s)
    10.0%
  3. Akiko Suzuki

    32 vote(s)
    12.3%
  4. Mao Asada

    202 vote(s)
    77.7%
  5. Adelina Sotnikova

    19 vote(s)
    7.3%
  6. Ashley Wagner

    34 vote(s)
    13.1%
  7. Yuna Kim

    202 vote(s)
    77.7%
  8. Zijun Li

    2 vote(s)
    0.8%
  9. Kanako Murakami

    3 vote(s)
    1.2%
  10. Gracie Gold

    11 vote(s)
    4.2%
  11. Kiira Korpii

    2 vote(s)
    0.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Active Member

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    I promise I'm not picking on you!!!!!:p But Akiko only made 1 mistake total in the most recent Four Continents competition. I consider her to be pretty consistent the past couple seasons. It is rare for any skater to not make a single mistake across the span of a competition. How many ladies can you count this season and last who put out a flawless (no step outs, no two foots, no pops, no falls) competition? I'm going to say probably just a couple.
  2. babayaga

    babayaga Active Member

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    It's an interesting question - I cannot think of anyone at all :D At least among the top contenders.
  3. robinhood

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    The most consistent skaters are the juniors. Julia Lipnitskaia last season, and Sotnikova in the past one never put a foot wrong in the whole season.
    Once in seniors, with COP, where you cannot water down programs and expectations of the federations i consider pretty hard to be foot perfect.
    Akiko is one of the most consistent skaters, if not the most, these past 2 seasons. And she usually rotates 5-6 triples every program
  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    She is usually more consistent than most, however she is almost never perfect, and given the much lower scoring potential she has compared to many others she has to be perfect to capatilize on any of their mistakes. She also hasnt been as consistent this season, bombing atleast 2 competitions, and doing poorly in one program in all but her last. Lets just say I will be very surprised if Suzuki is on the World podium this year and even if she skates perfectly (hugely unlikely IMO) I would still expect her to miss the podium, and finish behind some skaters who make mistakes as well. Last two years were her opening, the field is tougher now, and with Mao in business she will never get Japanese number 1 backing again.
  5. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Active Member

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    I'd be very surprised to see her on the podium in this deep field aswell, I just don't like your argument since she is consistent.

    This "Japanese Backing" politics garbage really has to go though. This does not exist, skating is a sport, politics don't play that much of a part. She is scored fairly, as is Mao, as is every other skater in the world level competitions. Her PC's are fair, there are no politics pulling her down...and there are no politics bumping Mao up. She is also scored fairly.
  6. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Akiko's biggest problem is being majorly underscored in PCS, consistently.
  7. shine

    shine Well-Known Member

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    Was this post meant to be serious or? I really can't tell...
  8. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Active Member

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    Sorry yeah I'm serious ahah.

    FSU almost has this obsession that results are controlled by underground skating politic organizing rings. It's a little ridiculous, like some big conspiracy theory that everyone buys into and accepts as the truth.
  9. apatinar

    apatinar New Member

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    how did Korpi even make this list?
  10. Skater91

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    I predict worlds to end up like this....

    1. Yuna Kim
    2. Mao Asada
    3. Carolina Kostner
    4. Akiko Suzuki
    5. Elizaveta Tuktamisheva
    6. Ashley Wagner
    7. Kanako Murakami
    8. Adelina Sotnikova
    9. Kiira Korpi
    10. Valentina Marchei
    11. Gracie Gold
    12. Zijun Li
    13. Kaetlyn Osmond

    (From here down they could go either way, they are unpredictable but this is my best guess!)

    14. Viktoria Helgesson
    15. Kexin Zhang
    16. Mae Berenice Meite
    17. Elene Gedevanisvili
    18. Sonia Lafuente
    19. Nathalie Weinzierl
    20. Elena Glebova
    21. Jenna McCorkell
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  11. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Mao, Yuna, and then I'm not sure for bronze but I think it's between Carolina, Liza, and Akiko, maybe Ashley. My money is on Liza to sneak away with bronze though.
  12. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    NHK 2012. The end.
  13. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

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    She's going for seven triples in the long and will score 30/60 PCS if clean. She's not a strong contender, and her injury means she's definitely a question mark, but I definitely wouldn't underestimate her. If Li or Gold can be on this list (two skaters that she has beaten this season) than I don't see what's wrong with Korpi on it.
  14. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    If Gracie hadn't skated a sloppy LP at COR she would have beaten Korpi by more then a few points.
  15. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

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    And if ice wasn't slippery......
  16. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    I wonder about that - is she really that much underscored? As for skating skills - yes, her speed is one of the best, definitely better than Asada's, but she seems to have a lot of two-footed skating compared to Mao, especially in the FS. She also consistently fails to get level 4 on her step sequences - could it be that her speed is the reason, or it's another problem? Mao also has better posture, lines and overall grace, although Akiko is definitely not bad either. As for interpretation and choreography, I would agree that she should get similar marks to Mao there. I am not an expert when it comes to transitions, though.
  17. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    I'm loving the poll above - Yu Na, Mao, Carolina. Let Ashley continue the game of low expectations
  18. sonya71

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    Based on Best Season's Scores:

    1. Mao 205.65 (4CC)
    2. Carolina 203.33 (ICC + Euros)
    3. Yuna 201.61 (NRWT)
    4. Adelina 193.99 (Euros)
    5. Ashley 193.98 (GPF + TEB)

    I think it will be:

    1. Mao
    2. Yuna
    3. Carolina
    4. Adelina
    5. Ashley

    because Carolina's best score is combined from two different competitions (as is Ashley's) and while none of the skaters can be expected to be note-perfect, Carolina has a proven track record of being more inconsistent than Mao or Yuna.
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  19. Tanja90

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    Why is everybody thinking that carolina is more inconsistent than yuna and mao?
    I mean, yes she was really inconsistent in the past but since worlds 2010 she has never been out of the podium and last year she never finished less than second!
    She turned into a different skater since Vancouver. The old carolina would have failed in Nice last year knowing it was her best chance to win the title...and would have failed in other multiple occasions like the grand prix final in Quebec or this years europeans...
    We cannot say the same thing about mao who had two hard seasons and she is coming back on track only lately but still she has issues with underrotations...or yuna who has been away from competition for more than a year and the two competitions she had since worlds 2011 were on a poor fields.
    I am not saying that for sure carolina will skate a clean program in London but these three have the same chances of doing great!
    And if they skate clean the podium will be between them! no way that another skater can rival them if thay skate well!
  20. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

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    My prediction is
    1. Mao
    2. Carolina
    3. Adelina
    4. Akiko
    5. Liza
    6. Yuna
    7. Ashley

    3.4.5. are difficult to predict.
  21. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    ^ Your prediction for number 6 is definitely a "no guts, no glory" type of prediction. I like to see more people making riskier predictions.
  22. Shaia

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    LOL. Considering she has never placed off the podium in her entire career, I wouldn't call this a "prediction"... more like a wishlist. And I am sure Vietgrlterifa would like to see more anti-Yuna postings.
  23. dawnie

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    Huh? What makes you think that about Vietgrlterifa? Just because she prefers certain aspects of Mao's skating?
  24. l'etoile

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    Shaia is just being Shaia. I'm sure she is making the list of whomever posted "wrong things" about Yuna lol.
  25. elif

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    After the 4CC nobody expect from Gold to get a medal. Less pressure what she needs. My podium;

    Yuna Kim
    Mao Asada
    Gracie Gold
  26. bek

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    I don't know Sotnikova and Tukt got extremely high scores at Euros. I think the judges are getting to the point where they are starting to raise the youngsters scores. The judges came very close to giving Sotnikova the European title, and Adelina only did one more triple than Kostner in the long. I think this is especially the case with Sotnikova who really has a wonderful presence on the ice. Even if that long stinks. I think at Euros the judges showed they like Sotnikova A. LOT. And I really think in terms of full package she's the best of the youngsters.

    I don't think they will be able to get away with toes, salchows, and loops for much longer... And in fairness to Kim, she doesn't do loops, and she's never been one to downgrade her content.

    So I don't think Kim will be able to make all kinds of mistakes, Kostner do doubles/easy triples, or Asada a lot of underrotating and all get on the podium if the young Russians/Gold skate well.
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  27. olympic

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    ...or if a hungry Ashley has her act together at Worlds and skates with all her content ...

    ETA - I see that Suzuki is getting more votes. I really doubt she will be on the podium
  28. sk8ingcoach

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    Obviously we all know that if every skater skates clean then it will be

    1:yuna
    2:asada
    3:kostner

    But we all know consistency is the biggest problem in ladies figure skating.

    We have all seen huge meltdowns from Asada and Kostner which could easily push them off top 5. The same is said withWagner since GPF and Nationals

    Akiko will unfortunately be underscored in PCS as usual. Liza and adelina could do well if she is clean, but otherwise her components are low so she wont make podium

    Murakami can do good if clean, but her GOE on most jumps wont get her high technical scores to podium in my opinion.
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    1. Mao
    2. Carolina
    3. Kim
  30. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I am baffled by the Suzuki votes too. I actually like her, but I think this year even if she has one of her better competitions and others make mistakes, the best she will be is around 5th place (more likely I think she will be around 8th this year though).
  31. olympic

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    I think she'll be in the final group provided she skates a clean SP, but her marks at 4CC demonstrate that even skating lights out, she won't touch Kostner, Kim or Asada. Probably she will be involved in a pewter battle w/ Wagner (again, provided Wagner gets back into form) and whichever Baby Russian brings it at Worlds.
  32. peibeck

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    With the potential depth of the ladies this season, I think the draw for the SP may be key. :watch:
  33. judgejudy27

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    Exactly although you are slightly more generous in your assessment of her chances I am. I think Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, and Wagner (yes even now) are all likely to finish above her. I think Murakami, Osmond, Gold are close to 50% odds to finish above her. Suzuki doesnt usually skate as well as she did at 4CCs, especialy in both programs, so I would be surprised if she did, although if she did she would have a decent shot to finish 4th or 5th (still no higher, and any of Tuk, Sot, or Wag. skating perfectly will still beat her even then IMO). Kostner or Asada would have to majorly bomb to finish behind Suzuki, and as for Kim her making enough errors to finish behind Suzuki is simply not possible based on her history.
  34. Karpenko

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    I think only 6 falls will make that result possible, and well..

    I think it's very safe to bet on Yuna or Mao for #1. I am inclined to put Carolina up there as well. I think Yuna, Mao, and Carolina are easily the top 3. Ice is slippery, but these three are not at inconsistent phases of their career. These are three skating phenoms that have been around for a long time and most likely have their worst performances behind them. I'm not expecting any of these three to mess up enough for the judges to put someone else ahead. Maybe some mistakes, but not enough to knock them off the podium. Their PCS are just too far ahead of the rest of the group, each of them have a one fall cushion at least IMO.

    I'd expect Sotnikova and hopefully Wagner right behind if they skate to potential, then Tuktamysheva and maybe Suzuki.. it's going to be a very competitive World Championships. I really hope this year and the Olympics next year don't pan out like the 2010 mens event which also seemed to be extremely deep before-hand..
  35. VIETgrlTerifa

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    After reading some of these posts by the "experts" my only wish is for Suzuki to win worlds. Well, even without readings those posts, I still want it to happen.
  36. briancoogaert

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    After what she did at 4CC, and with her 2 great programs this season, I want her to win a medal. :swoon:
  37. Proustable

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    That was my wish after NHK. I see no reason to change it now.
  38. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Me too, and all the better if Asada, Kim, and Kostner all finish off the podium. :yawn:
  39. Vagabond

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    Gold: Inge Januleviciute
    Silver: Isadora Williams
    Bronze: Kerstin Frank

    :saint:
  40. Nomad

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    Fleur Maxwell wuzrobbed!