2013 ISU World Team Trophy, April 11-14, in Tokyo

Discussion in 'Kiss And Cry 2014-2015' started by Sylvia, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. LilJen

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    Blog by Evan Bates. Who is funny, as usual.
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  3. rvi5

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    WTT Current ranking, with Pairs and Ladies LP remaining...

    32 CAN
    29 JPN
    28 USA
    16 FRA
    15 RUS
    14 CHN


    The following spoiler is the WTT result projections after the Pairs LP. Although nothing is guaranteed, don't look if you prefer to remain blissfully unaware...

    Assuming everyone performs at their seasons best (as per the ISU seasons best list), the projected WTT Pairs final scores could be...

    RUS 74.41 + 149.87 = 224.28 - Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV
    CAN 69.94 + 130.95 = 200.89 - Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD
    FRA 58.73 + 119.54 = 178.27 - Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES
    USA 57.18 + 117.04 = 174.22 - Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR
    CHN 58.62 + 112.36 = 170.98 - Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG
    JPN 0.00 + 0.00 = 0.00

    Resulting WTT ranking after the Pairs event would become...

    43 CAN
    37 USA
    29 JPN
    28 CHN
    27 RUS
    26 FRA



    Disclaimer: Seasons best scores are from different events with different judging panels. Also, ice is slippery.


    Ladies projections to follow. Stay tuned...
     
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    The following spoiler is the WTT result projections after the Ladies LP. Although nothing is guaranteed, don't look if you prefer to remain blissfully unaware...

    Projected WTT ranking from previous post after the Pairs LP...

    43 CAN
    37 USA
    29 JPN
    28 CHN
    27 RUS
    26 FRA


    Assuming everyone performs at their seasons best (as per the ISU seasons best list), the projected WTT Ladies final scores could be...

    JPN 59.39 + 134.37 = 193.76 - Mao ASADA
    RUS 67.13 + 126.38 = 193.51 - Adelina SOTNIKOVA
    JPN 66.56 + 126.62 = 193.18 - Akiko SUZUKI
    USA 59.77 + 127.76 = 187.53 - Ashley WAGNER
    USA 60.98 + 125.40 = 186.38 - Gracie GOLD
    RUS 49.94 + 131.67 = 181.61 - Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA
    CHN 53.16 + 127.54 = 180.70 - Zijun LI
    CAN 55.18 + 115.89 = 171.07 - Kaetlyn OSMOND
    FRA 58.51 + 108.13 = 166.64 - Mae Berenice MEITE
    CAN 48.82 + 98.69 = 147.51 - Gabrielle DALEMAN
    CHN 54.97 + 90.78 = 145.75 - Kexin ZHANG
    FRA 49.41 + 90.42 = 139.83 - Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY


    Resulting WTT final ranking would become...

    54 USA (gold)
    51 JPN
    51 CAN
    45 RUS
    36 CHN
    31 FRA



    SUMMARY

    As can be seen, significant shifting of rank positions may occur after the Ladies event due to the nature of the WTT. Although many people had thought Canada had the strongest overall team, the WTT competition tends to favour the Singles disciplines over the Pairs and Ice Dance events (ie. two ladies/mens verses only one pairs/ice dance offers double the opportunity to score points). This advantage may permit Japan the chance to rise into medal positions despite not having a Pairs team. If Ashley and Gracie can remain near the top in the LP, together with the win by C/B, and the US mens and pairs maintaining a middle ground within their disciplines, the USA could take the Gold. Typically being strong in both mens and ladies events, Japan may have had a good opportunity to win (if it had not been for the breakup of Japan's only Pairs team, Takahashi/Tran).


    Disclaimer: Seasons best scores are from different events with different judging panels. Also, ice is slippery.
     
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  5. luckiest1

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    Will there be a gala broadcast on the ISU streaming site?
     
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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  7. A.H.Black

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    If Japan had a pairs team at all, they would probably win this - even finishing in last place.
     
  8. hohoho

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    You may want to redo your numbers as the points are not awarded for sp and lp
     
  9. rvi5

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    Thanks...info corrected. Hopefully my math is correct.

    I erroneously started with the ISU website team standings, which apparently contained a combination of final LP and tentative SP rankings. I removed the Pairs and Ladies tentative SP rankings from the ISU standings, and recalculated based on my seasons best estimated scores.

    Canada and Japan would be tied. I recall seeing an official explanation of the tie break procedures somewhere. I will need to relocate that document.
     
  10. spikydurian

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    Probably a fight between Japan and USA for first place?
     
  11. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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    Found the document. Not sure I understand it...

    When forming the intermediate and final result, in case of a tie between Teams, the tie breaking procedure will be used taking into consideration

    • The highest total team points from the two (2) best places in different disciplines will break the ties;

    • If they remain tied, the highest total scores of the two (2) best places according to the team points in different
    disciplines will break the ties;

    • If they remain tied, the highest total team points from the three (3) best places in different disciplines will break the
    ties;

    • If they remain tied, the highest total scores of the three (3) best places according to the team points in different
    disciplines will break the ties;

    • If these criteria fail to break the ties, the teams will be considered as tied.

    source: http://www.czechskating.org/kalendar/1467.pdf
     
  13. rvi5

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    They should have sent anybody. Maybe have them perform a fireman's lift. ;)
     
  14. Sylvia

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  16. rvi5

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    The general public wouldn't be searching for documents, much less reading them. ;)
     
  17. Dave of the North

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    Lordy, I'm not sure of the difference between these two tiebreaking rules. I think the first one would mean Japan would win a tiebreaker over Canada because they would have two firsts and Canada would have two seconds.

    ISU, Obfsucation is thy middle name.

    (Many years ago I was involved in developing international standards. They were written in a similar peculiar way.)
     
  18. rvi5

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    I think it would be a battle between USA, Canada, and Japan.

    At seasons best (or better), there wouldn't be much room for Asada and Suzuki to improve their ranking (since they would already be near the top). Japan must rely on Gracie & Ashley making mistakes and slip lower in rank.

    In Canada's case, D/R will not improve on 2nd place. Even if they could, the most it would add is one point. Canada's chances to win rests entirely on Osmond and Daleman. They will need to improve their combined rank by outscoring other skaters ahead of them, and/or relying on those other skaters making mistakes and falling behind Kaetlyn and Gabby. Or like Japan, hope Gracie and Ashley make mistakes.
     
  19. A.H.Black

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    They could have put a senior lady with a senior man, thrown together some moves and called it a pair. I bet at least one lady and man would have been willing.
     
  20. dardar1126

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    OMG! Hope everyone is OK!! :eek:

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    EDIT: Epicenter near Kobe.
     
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    For those who concern about the skaters and other attendees, the shake did not reach to Tokyo.
     
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    Thanks for the information about Tokyo. I am sorry for the injured people of Kobe and for any damage they suffered. I hope all will be well!
     
  23. Sylvia

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    6.3 earthquake for Japan for some reason does not raise huge alarm in me, may be due to their superior infrastructure. However, if this happened in India or Bangladesh, I would be seriously worried...
     
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    http://skatingmagazineblog.com/2013/04/13/team-usa-triumphs-at-2013-isu-world-team-trophy/

    Team USA Triumphs at 2013 ISU World Team Trophy
     
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    Holding a good thought for the people of Kobe.
     
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