Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Apr 16, 2013.
Brilliant choice. You can't go wrong with Tchaikovsky
^^Oh, but you can.
The problem with Sleeping Beauty, Carmen, Swan Lake, and the other dozen warhorses in rotation is that they have been done time and time and time again. If they wanted to go the well-known music route, I wish they would have picked something a little more suited to Gracie's style. I'm having a hard time imagining this program turning out better than her last FS or the one before that.
I'm glad she ventured out and went to Zoueva for choreography but just b/c you get a good choreographer doesn't mean everything is going to fall into place. Trying to force a skater to be something they are not never turns out well. Sleeping Beauty is one of the last things I thought Gracie would skate to in an Olympic year.
I wonder if Zoueva chose the music...if so, this is all her fault.
Very true. Angela's problem was she that was boring prior to her Sleeping Beauty turnaround. I very clearly remember Uncle Dick basically saying everyone should take a refrigerator break while Angela was skating during nationals that year. Cruel, but true.
She was always elegant and had that natural grace though...it just took her a bit longer to really connect to her music and choreography.
I foresee lots of skaters wanting to skate to Russian composers or themes this year, so "Swan Lake" is no surprise to me. I actually thought Zoueva was going to use it for one of her dance teams though.
Gracie's skating to Sleeping Beauty, not Swan Lake. Oh lord, if she were skating to Swan Lake I'd stick my head in the oven!
Isn't "Sleeping Beauty" by Tchaikovsky? Or am I having a brain fart?
ETA: Never mind, I see I typed "Swan Lake" instead of "Sleeping Beauty."
Oh well, I except one of the Russian ballet babies perhaps doing "Swan Lake."
It's 'Sleeping Beauty', not 'Swan Lake'.
As for Zoueva's dance teams, I don't think so either. In my opinion, a ballet FD is not suited for Davis/White's style, as their imperfect leg lines (especially Meryl's) would become too apparent in such a dance (it's not last season's generally polka themed SD, after all), and Zoueva must understand that too. And Virtue/Moir are not going to do something quite so banal. Yes, they used 'Carmen' this last season, but then they tried to bring something new to the interpretation and choreography. It's very probable that they, Zoueva and Swan have chosen ballet music, but I bet that it's not 'Swan Lake'.
P.S.: I see that others were faster.
I think the first :45 of this part fits Gracie's style quite well:
Yes, it's only 45 seconds, but the ballet is long and has a lot of varied and different tempos, not just the pwetty pwincess parts.
Wow Gracie and Sleeping Beauty. I mean, she's pretty and blonde, and sometimes her leg hits nice, extended positions. But IMO, between her stiffness, muscular build, and powerful and somewhat unrefined skating, it just seems like a mismatch on a big scale. Unless she uses the darker pieces, I think the program could be a big idea. Then again if it's anything like her last two FS programs, the music will just sort of be a backdrop for her jumps and the program won't be telling much of a story anyways, in which case I think the program could be fine/good, especially when she hits those stunning jumps well.
It's kinda sad that's what the sport is moving towards...
Who cares if your program is weak as long as you hit the jumps? *sigh*
And better than that awful Sugar Plum Fairy program she did the year before. I would have picked something like Rhapsody in Blue for Gracie. I do think, in an Olympic year, she needs to use recognizable music, even if it is a "warhorse."
Really? I don't think it's at all sad that the sport is moving towards rewarding more the actual athletic elements within a program, since it is afterall and foremost a SPORT.
Sure it's always great and more enjoyable to watch an artistic or charismatic skater (though personally I don't find much enjoyment in watching even the most artistic skaters flop and fall all over the ice ... heh), but for the sport to have any legitimacy the technical stuff has to matter over the packaging (which is frankly pretty subjective). It'd be way more ludicrous to say who cares if you can't jump so long as you have a great program and presentation! Plus, it's not like the more well-rounded skaters aren't rewarded under the current system, so I really don't see what this lamenting is about -- it's not like Gracie Gold is beating Kosner just because she can hit more of the jumps ...
That said, I don't really see Sleeping Beauty as something Gracie can pull off either, but who knows?
You do realise that skaters are supposed to skate (as in move in time and express its character with their movement) to the music they have chosen, yes?
How it is a brilliant choice to pick a music from a ballet for a skater who isn't balletic?
I was hoping she would skate to something by Copland. I think it would be a stretch for her but I could also see her pulling it off with the right choreographer.
There are choreographers, like Mats Ek, Jean-Christophe Maillot, and Matthew Bourne, who create works to iconic ballet scores but use little if no ballet vocabulary and don't expect pointed toes, or ballet line and posture. Perhaps Zoueva wants to continue along the line of the "Carmen" program she did for V/M and explore something beyond the obvious, but I wouldn't bet the house on it.
Performance Channel showed many different kinds of ballet and dance performances. I remember Swan Lake done by Matthey Bourne. I didn't understand it completely, but it was great to watch. There were different meanings going through my mind, wondering what he really wanted to show. Perhaps it didn't matter much. Yet, when I watch Swan Lake, I still prefer the classical ballet performances.
I will never forget the Nutcracker performed as 'The hard nut', created by Mark Morris. I saw it on Performance Channel in 1999 or 2000. It was amazing and I'm still looking for a dvd here. I had no idea you could do that with classical ballet music. I enjoy both styles, as long as they're done well.
The Hard Nut trailer
re. Gracie & Sleeping Beauty:
This wouldn't be the first time that a non-artistic skater chooses a well-known ballet music in an effort to be considered as more 'artistic.' We'll see where this goes. I wish her the best. One thing that's for sure: the opening chords of the overture are forceful and appropriate to setting off a series of big jumps.
I understand your point, however Sleeping Beauty is a 3 hour ballet. I am hopeful they find a fresh take on the music editing that will skew towards Gracie's strengths and not attempt to make her into something she hasn't developed into yet.
She is also blonde and very pretty.
Sheesh, people are so pessimistic. I think SB is stretch for Gracie but this is the time in her career for her to grow artistically and I am hopeful that such a wonderfully talented skater, with Zoueva's help, can add the refinement that another poster alluded to which this role calls for. Not every SB has to look like Zijun Li, as good as she was. One of the best Auroras and also one of the best Odette/Odiles I ever saw was a "big girl," the sublime and unforgettable Canadian ballerina Martine van Hamel. Her height and build magnified the movements and did not in any way interfere with refined carriage, feet, expression, etc. Also remember that Aurora is meant to be a 16-year-old girl, albeit a very princessy one. In the ballet she bursts onto the scene at her sweet sixteen party with a feat of technique/balance (the Rose Adagio) that represents her youthful maturity and rare perfection. I wouldn't put it past 18-year-old Gracie to do something like that.
Then again, she could fall terribly short. Or she could start poorly and make it a success by the end of the season... maybe just at the right moment!
Here's a thought: why don't we wait to see Gracie's program before tearing it to shreds?
You took the words right out of my mouth. This is a sport and it is time that technical ability was more important then presentation. I'm so tired of the constant complaints about a skater that is more of a jumper. I'm not sure this music will be the best for Gracie, but I'm going to wait to see it before I judge it.
Figure skating is supposed to blend the difficulty of the technical elements with the beauty of music and movement. If you're doing one without the other expect certain fans to be disappointed. I like to see a skater balance the two. I'm not a fan of jumping beans who have amazing jumps but no sense of music/interpretation/artistry/etc. b/c that takes the heart out of the sport for me. Likewise I'm not a fan of beautiful skaters who have lovely programs and beautiful presentation but can't land a jump to save their life...a great skater is able to balance to two.
As of now Gracie leans heavily towards the technical and that's fine. She hasn't been around that long so it's going to take her some time to figure out who she is as a skater. My hope is that she develops into a skater who can connect to her music and choreography and sell her program in addition to hitting the jumps. If she doesn't, oh well. Everyone can't be good at everything...
We'll just have to wait to see what kind of skater Gracie turns out to be.
I've been wishing that Nagasu would skate to Copeland's Appalachian Spring for a few years now. I think it could be really lovely for her.
I'm just grateful that she's using a different choreographer to that diabolical Scott Brown rubbish she's had to skate to. I for one, am willing to wait and see. Part of my job is to choreograph and I can see in my minds eye how I would get Sleeping Beauty and Gracie Gold to work together successfully in terms of a relevant, yet suitable movement vocabulary and music cuts. I'm looking forward to seeing Zoueva's interpretation of this particular quandary. I'm not convinced she'll get it right but it's not an impossible task and it is entirely possible for Gracie to skate to SB quite successfully without having to morph into Sasha Cohen by August.
I'm cautiously optimistic...I remember years ago, I never would have thought Yukari Nakano, Giselle, and Zoueva would be a good combination, but it worked out beautifully, and I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar with Gracie this season.
I'm with you; and will reserve judgement until I see the program.
I don't expect Sasha Cohen.
I hope for an improved, consistent and confident Gracie!
Paul Parkinson (ITA) tweeted today "@paulio456: Will be skating to Beethoven's 5th with the ending remixed by Wolfgang Gartner this year!" His short program is choreographed by Jeff Buttle.
I just saw a video clip of Mao in New York working with a choreographer (looked female, but could not see who) on a step sequence. The music was Rach 2, 1st movement. Let's just hope 5 other ladies aren't skating to it, too!
Konstantin Menshov mentioned in his icenetwork interview that he was "going to America" to get his new programs. Anyone hear anything about which choreographers?
Akiko Suzuki travelled to Detroit a couple days ago, she tweeted pictures of her plane ticket. Any chance she's getting choreography right now?
This is one of my favourite threads each year! Exciting news to get us through the long off season!