2013-14 Program Music & Choreographer news & info known to date

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Apr 16, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2009
    Messages:
    4,480
    ^^ :lol: So I guess that means you believe you're more grounded. Or, that you can't skate and don't dare learn how.

    Seriously, who knows what life has in store for any of us? No matter what happens to Adam in the future, he's very blessed and it seems to me he's taking a positive approach to his skating career and giving it his all. Not everyone can or will make it to the top of the Olympic podium. It's about what you do with what happens to you, what you learn, what you give, and enjoying the moments of that journey. For fans, it's the special moments we'll always remember re our favorite skaters, not how many medals they win or lose. If we're caught up in the medals then we'll never be satisfied and we'll miss the moments that matter most.

    I loved Adam's performances at Nats this year and last, along with some other special memories. I wish him the best of luck this coming season.


    ETA:

    It's nice to see so many people enthusiastic re Jason's Riverdance, especially in light of the more tepid responses when his program was announced earlier in this thread. ;) From what I've read, many people seem to admire Rohene's choreography, which is still a work-in-progress. Jason is definitely an exceptional skater with a bright enthusiastic personality which I hope he never loses.

    Jason, Rohene, and Kori have been a great match and I'm intrigued to see how Jason's new program develops. He moves so beautifully and he interprets the music equally beautifully. While the program already has depth and nuance, it was actually difficult for me to get a good sense of the overall moves and footwork since the video's quality while sharp was not great re Jason's black pants fading into the the black boards. I do feel spoiled when it comes to watching Jason. :encore: I can't wait to see his new costumes and see this program's further development in the fall.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2013
  2. casken

    casken Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2004
    Messages:
    6,317
    The second half of Jason's programs is absolutely packed. Transitions everywhere.
  3. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    9,814
    I'm not sold on RD yet. I'm sure it'll get much better as the season progressed. I don't think RV music lends itself to IJS footwork very well though. The music demands fast, nimble footwork, but you can see that Jason still has to do all the turns and twists to satisfy IJS; I felt the footwork didn't go with the music.
    SkateFan66 and (deleted member) like this.
  4. apple123

    apple123 Banned Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2009
    Messages:
    120
    Finally someone saw the light! Jason has sacrifized speed for transitions and lost the charm of the music. Not wise IMO.

    SkateFan66 and (deleted member) like this.
  5. AxelAnnie

    AxelAnnie Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2002
    Messages:
    5,677
    oohhhh! very excited. this will be fabulous
  6. dots

    dots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,249
    The last part is from Santa Esmeralda "Queremos Mas Chacha" /"Another Chacha"

    Ha! Both Karen Kadavy(SP) and D/S(OD) have used it before (both used different parts of this song).
  7. leapfrogonice

    leapfrogonice Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2007
    Messages:
    557
    Phantom of the Opera and Les Miserables should earn music penalties. I mean, seriously...
    lamarenee and (deleted member) like this.
  8. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    5,542
    LOOOOVED his footwork, speed and rhythm. And despite this being his first outing, I was shocked by how well the footwork went with the music. How can anyone NOT see the greatness that this program is destined to be? an unbelievably long shot, but I really hope he makes it to the Sochi (along with Abbott :swoon: )

    JASON FREAKIN BROWN's LP!!!!!
  9. parapluies

    parapluies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    976
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
  10. cbd1235

    cbd1235 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2012
    Messages:
    629
    Phantom of the Opera and Akiko Suzuki? I'll take it :). I'd rather see last years Long Program make a re-appearance, but Akiko can do POTO some justice so I can't complain :)
  11. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,480
    Just out of curiosity, do you make the same complaint with Patrick Chan?
  12. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,827
    Can I make that complaint about Patrick Chan? Not necessarily the speed, but the musical expression is often secondary these days to the display of skill and the inclusion of transitions. Chan just happens to be stronger than his competitors when it comes to the technical components (SS/TR). Because this is what the system incentivizes: transitions and display of skill, with their fit to the music being secondary. And this is what many fans seem to prioritize as well, seeing as how there seem to be a lot more complaints about programs that lack transitions than those that are weaker in other respects.

    To give Jason credit, he does try to do more than play by the rules, and he seems quite charming, but I don't find the result as appealing as many here seem to.
  13. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,187
    I knew someone would bring Patrick Chan in the discussion sooner or later. lol

    Didn't Camerlengo also choreograph the LP for Denney/Coughlin last season to Phantom of the Opera? Camerlengo may have developed a soft spot for this music.

    Anyway, we will be able to compare Suzuki's version with Gedevanishvili's of a couple of years ago, as choreographed by David Wilson.
  14. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,592
    I'd argue that the complaints about lack of musical expression are certainly prevalent (especially in the discussion of Patrick Chan) - how often do we have yet another article/post complaining about the lack of artistry COP celebrates and so on? I do agree that COP incentives transitions to an unnecessary degree.

    Jason Brown is an interesting case. He's been overhyped by the internet machine since US Nationals 2011 and I can't deny I've reacted negatively to that. But he hasn't done much for me either - I saw hints of what everyone else did at World juniors last year, and I'm eager to see him improve (inasmuch as I'm eager to see all juniors improve). But I think a wait-and-see is in order for this program especially given how it's triggered some epic praise already.
  15. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,684
    Why are you so sensitive miskarne? apple123 is not even a Chan fan. As VarBar says... 'I knew someone will bring Chan's name up' - three names immediately jump to my mind and we all know who they are and in case you are not aware, you are one of them miskarne.;)
    Jason is very delightful to watch, happy? :p
  16. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,480
    No, I am curious. I keep hearing people raving about Chan's transitions being part of his "deservedly" high PCS, when all I see is him throwing the kitchen sink out there without any regard for musical connection. And yet Jason, with his innate musicality, is being slapped down for loading up on transitions.

    Jason is always delightful to watch, so I am always happy. :p
    CassAgain and (deleted member) like this.
  17. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,684
    Be prepared misskarne. The more well known the skater becomes, the more detractors he/she will accrue. apple123 wont't be the last.:D You will have to stand guard 24/7. Good luck.
    Ozzisk8tr and (deleted member) like this.
  18. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,187
    Not sure about that because I've often see fans complaining about empty programs being as generously rewarded on the TR mark as programs that had complex choreographies between the technical elements.
  19. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    29,977
    Courtney Hicks has announced her music: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130703&content_id=52567666&vkey=ice_news
    Excerpt:
    Alex Chang, who co-coaches her with Jere Michael, choreographed her SP.
  20. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2010
    Messages:
    10,235
    You're right they are talented, but only Yan is still 17 y/o. The rest of them are already 18, turning 19 in the winter. Time Flies...

    I really like Jason's FS and think I'm maybe starting to become a fan. This program is at least way better than Liebestraume, which was lovely but put me right to sleep. Not this! Can't wait to see it all polished up!
  21. apple123

    apple123 Banned Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2009
    Messages:
    120
    What does this have to do with anything? I'm simply expressing my opinion about this particular program. Is that not allowed? Are you a mind Nazzi or something? Should everyone praize your favourite? You know insecurity has its reasons, just saying.

    spikydurian and (deleted member) like this.
  22. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,480
    I'm not sure my honest question warranted your aggressive reply.
  23. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,827
    Wow, bringing up Nazis (misspelled) and "just saying" in the same post - I actually agreed with parts of your previous post, but this one is rude and obnoxious.
  24. Emdee

    Emdee New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    1,535
    A lot of people are rude and obnoxious.... not the least being misskarne in other posts.
    Now I am just saying......
  25. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,684
    A pot calling a kettle black miskarne ...:lol: Your reaction to apple123's first comment was equally aggressive don't you think so? No?
  26. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,480
    Er, my reply to apple123's first comment was this:

    Which I'm not quite sure could ever be classed as aggressive. It was an honest question.
    Kasey and (deleted member) like this.
  27. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,827
    I suspect there is a very strong relationship between one's perception of Patrick Chan and one's perception of misskarne's post ;)
  28. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2012
    Messages:
    2,684
    On the contrary, I am amused by misskarne's sensivity towards any mere comment which does not spell love towards her favourite skaters, and yet she constantly call other skaters' names. At least apple123 didn't call Jason's choreography kitchen sink or zombie.
  29. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,480
    Are you not familiar with the phrase, "everything including the kitchen sink"? That is what I used to describe Chan's choreography as I feel he puts in every single transition possible (whether or not it matches the music). Thus, his choreography includes the kitchen sink.

    And who did I call a zombie?
  30. leigh466

    leigh466 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    755
    Imagine my surprise when I came to the last page of the thread to be updated on program music/choreographer news. Just sayin.
  31. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,187
    I'm guessing that Nichol, Buttle and Wilson are some of the most sought after choreographers in figure skating for their ability to pack their programs with meaningless and purposeless transitions that don't match the music.;)
  32. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,827
    I am not sure how exactly this is contrary to what I wrote.

    I'd like to answer this seriously even though it wasn't meant as such ;) At their best, Nichol and Wilson are capable of fantastic work - e.g. Nichol's programs for Kostner, or the beautiful SP Wilson did for Dai a couple of years ago. But they choreograph for many clients of varying skill and talent, and sometimes their work is a more by the numbers (to put it diplomatically).

    Buttle's body of work so far as a choreographer isn't nearly as extensive, but I like what I've seen from him. I think that as a skater too, he knew how to fit the transitions and the display of skill with the music, and it seems to be carrying into his work as a choreographer.

    BTW, which of them is doing the choreo for Chan's new FS?
  33. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2006
    Messages:
    2,480
    Excessive transitions might be a reason that chan is prone to falling.
  34. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    9,814
    Chan falls on his jumps. He isn't doing any transitions in mid-air.
  35. dots

    dots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,249
    It's harder to go clean when you packed a program with a lot of transitions. It takes the wind out of you. It's the same reason most skaters don't spin before doing a quad jump.
  36. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,477
    :huh: Transitions usually precede his jumps though, making them more difficult to land.
  37. Proustable

    Proustable New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,592
    Wilson
  38. Eyre

    Eyre New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2007
    Messages:
    321
    What does this discussion on Jason Brown have to do with Patrick Chan?:confused: Chan never sacrifised his speed for anything including transitions.

    It is the "kitchen sink" choreographers who are most sought out by the skaters and praised by the judges.;) So who cares if you don't like those "kitchen sink", "mismatched" choreography?:shuffle:

    By the way, Takahashi was eager and might be at last to have the world biggest "kitchen sink" choreography this coming season.:lol: In the meantime, Chan will still keep the same "kitchen sink" choreographers from last year.:cheer:
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2013
  39. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,187
    Some of the fans of Chan might be having a lot of trouble to accept criticism with respect to Chan's musicality coming from supporters of some other skaters who aren't exactly famous for their artistic skills. Such as those pushing for Max Aaron over Jeremy Abbott. Just sayin'. lol

    When you have to deliver 10 to 15 choreographies per season and have deadlines to meet, your work being a more by the numbers is sometimes inevitable, I suppose.

    I saw Buttle in some photos at Alexei Mishin's training camp, teaching Mishin's students how to skate. Who would have thought a few years back that something like this would happen one day?:lol:

    But going back to Jason Brown, I'll be curious to see how he will reconcile speed and power with variety and difficulty of transitions as well as consistency on the jumps. Especially when he starts doing quadruple jumps.
  40. Li'Kitsu

    Li'Kitsu Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2012
    Messages:
    86
    Same here. Maybe this is supossed to tell us that some skater is going to skate to "The Bickering Blues" by The Victims Of Boredom, or something like that. (Would be god awful Music, I guess :rolleyes:)

    Hopefully we'll be getting some news soon (and Hanyu, I mean you with that!).
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.