2013-14 ISU Grand Prix Pre-announcement Thread

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  1. npavel

    npavel Well-Known Member

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    she can't get two GP as she wasn't a seeded skater when she discovered the injury. So the only GP she can get is Skate America.
  2. euterpe

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    Czisny was 5th at Worlds 2011 and on that basis she can exercise her one-time option as a returning skater, which gives her two guaranteed GPs.

    Rule 2.1 c (from 2012-2013 GP Announcement):

    "“Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 within the past 10 years at a ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons will be given priority consideration to re-enter the Grand Prix for selection of up to 2 assignments if they commit in writing to participating in 2 Grand Prix events and if such return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such so called “come back skaters/couples” will not substitute any of the seeded skaters/couples, mentioned under a). “Come Back Skaters/Couples” must not fulfil the requirements of the minimum score and would be considered for selection as a Host Country Choice. A come back under this clause is allowed only once in their competitive career for any skater/couple."
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    The bolded part only guarantees one GP, but they *might* get two. At least that's how I comprehend "for selection of up to 2 assignments.
  4. icemusings

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    I've double checked my numbers and some of the totals don't seem to add up correctly. Can anyone confirm that I'm not missing a number or there's some obscure ISU rule that I don't know about?

    Konstantin Menshov: Listed as 18th on the ISU list w/ 1675 points. I have him as 22nd with 1490 points.
    Vartmann/Van Cleave: Listed as 15th on the ISU list w/ 1527 points. I have them as 17th with 1311 points.
    Yu/Jin: Listed as 17th on the ISU list w/ 1461 points. I have them as 18th with 1269 points.
    Sui/Han: Listed as 16th on the ISU list w/ 1462 points. I have them as 19th with 1137 points.

    All of my other calculations checked out so I'm trying to figure out what went wrong with these four.
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  6. npavel

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    but she did compete in season 2011-2012, she qualified for the GPF and worlds, where she was way out of the top
  7. Zemgirl

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    She does qualify: the rule only requires that eligible skaters miss at least one season after having placed in the top 6 at any point in the past decade. This does not mean they have to have done so in their most recent competitive season. Johnny Weir, for instance, got his comeback skater assignments based on his 2008 finish, even though he later competed two more seasons before taking a break.

    Czisny was in the top 6 in 2011 and missed all of 2012-13, so she's eligible.
  8. npavel

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    ok, thank you. I'm really happy she get this.:) My bad, I had understand this wrong
  9. Zemgirl

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    It's a really broad qualification criterion - as best as I can work out, eligible skaters include (to name a few), KvdP, Sarah Meier, Julia Sebestyen, Emanuel Sandhu, just about every decent dance team you can imagine, and of course, Michelle Kwan.
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    Who knows what the ISU means, but one difference between Czisny and Weir is that Weir never competed at World Championships after his 3rd in Gothenberg and never dropped below being a seeded skater.

    If the ISU really means having been seeded at least once in the last 10 seasons without regards to having fallen out of the seeds list and being able to take off any combination of seasons after having been seeded once, then Fumie Suguri would also qualify for one GP spot under similar circumstances to Czisny.
  11. euterpe

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    There is another rule for skaters placed 7-12:

    2.2 c) Return of a ranked skater/couple - “Return Skater/Couple”
    A skater or couple, not included among those defined in paragraphs a) and b) above, who was previously in the top 7 to 12 at the 2010 or 2011 ISU World Figure Skating Championships but since was injured and/or did not compete at all during the entire 2011/12 season, may be chosen, if applicable, as a Host Country Skater, and in addition, may be considered as a Organizing Member’s Choice and will be ranked in the list of Season’s Best scores by taking the Season’s Best points of their most recent season, if proof is given in writing by their Member that they intend to continue their competitive career and their return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such skater or couple is defined as a “Return Skater/Couple” and such a Return Skater/Couple does not need to fulfill the requirement of a minimum score.


    This does not guarantee any events, though.
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    The ISU is sorely missing decision tables, at least as a basis for its documentation, but if Return Skaters are ranked by SB scores using one from a prior season, none would be out of Top 24, which should guarantee them at least one.

    If the rules stay the same for host picks, there's no reason for them to mention that the host can pick Return Skaters, since the hosts can do as they please anyway. If they mean that the other feds shouldn't pick them for more than one event, they might have said that, but when do they say what they mean?
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    If it wasn´t mentioned before and if my source is correct then the GP selection meeting is set to June 1st. Don´t know where. May is the time when Federations are sending ISU skaters who intend to stay at JGP, retired skaters and split couples.
  14. query5

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    Per kwantifiable, I see that voloshar/trankov wants or,had skate ameroca&nhk.
    Yuna would like skate america, skate canada, trophee bonbard.
    I know seeded skaters can request gp events, but I am,a bit surprised they actualky get the obes they want and annouce it before the list comes out,.
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    Per kwantifiable, I see that voloshar/trankov wants or,had skate ameroca&nhk.
    Yuna would like skate america, skate canada, trophee bonbard.
    I know seeded skaters can request gp events, but I am,a bit surprised they actualky get the obes they want and annouce it before the list comes out,.
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  16. npavel

    npavel Well-Known Member

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    why should YuNa get 3 entries?
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    According to Lynn Rutherford Twitter
    Maxim Trankov announced in a Russian interview he and Tatiana Volosozhar will compete at 2013 Skate America.
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    Yuna doesnt get three.
    She just stated her preference in hopes she get two preference.
  19. euterpe

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    The #1 seeds (Kim, Chan, V/T, D/W) are virtually assured of getting their requested GPs. #2 seeds may get one or more preferences if they don't conflict with #1, and #3 seeds get what's left. Host picks come before seed selection, so that could impact some of the seed choices.

    Kim and Kostner are not from host countries, and probably wouldn't choose NHK (#3 Asada) anyway.
    Chan can choose any venues as #2 and #3 are not from host countries.
    SC could name #3 D/R as a host pick, but V/T could choose any of the other hosts, as #2 S/S is not from a host country.
    In dance, all three seeds are from host countries and probably will be named as host picks. D/W has first choice of CoC, TEB or NHK.
  20. Zemgirl

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    ^ I believe this is correct so far as the seeded skaters get to request specific events and these requests are usually honored - but I don't believe that the host federations are obligated to go along with the skaters' wishes, just that this is common practice.

    Or am I wrong on this?
  21. icellist

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    These are just my predictions based mainly that the feds have more of a say than the skaters :lol:
    and limited combinations for no consecutive events:

    Chan: SC, TEB
    Ten: SA, RC
    Fernandez: COC, NHK
    SC wants Chan, NHK likes Fernandez, Ten gets SA before Fernandez. Chan likes TEB and Ten can talk Russian and visit home after RC
    Then again, NHK might want Ten so there's less competition for their skaters. (not so sure about this one)

    Kim: SC, TEB
    Kostner: SA, COC
    Asada: NHK, RC
    Asada gets NHK. The other two probably don't want RC. Kim wants TEB. Setup so no consecutive competitions

    V/T: SA, RC
    S/S: COC, TEB
    D/R: SC, NHK
    RC want V/T. SC want D/R. V/T want SA. S/S like early GPs so they get COC. No consecutive competitions

    D/W: SA, NHK
    V/M: SC, TEB
    B/S: RC, COC
    I think this one is kind of obvious from fed/preference/no consecutives
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    In this interview (http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/10507.html) V/T announced that they requested SA and NHK, they said these two events fit their training schedule the best. They also announced some time ago they won't do the Russian Cup for the same reason - inconvenient for their schedule.
  23. npavel

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    YuNa would like SA, and Kostner is from Europe, so I see Kostner at TEB and YuNa at SA
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    True but Yuna gets first dibs and wouldn't want both SA and SC because they're consecutive and early in the season. Yuna will get TEB.
    So that seeding works and Kostner doesn't have consecutive events. Kostner gets SA and COC.

    If V/T want SA and NHK
    D/R get SC and RC
    S/S get COC and TEB

    again, just my predictions but I think the Russian fed will try to persuade V/T to take RC
    I remember that S/S like early GP's so kind of sucks for them to get the 3rd GP earliest.
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  25. tut88

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    their choice ???
    Hope they will reconsider it, it them !
    At sc they wouls have a 2 place and more possibility to the gpf
  26. tut88

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    oh, interesting !
    i thought they still don't know where they will compete.
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    The only reasonable better scenario would be competing against B/S and beating them twice, but that's high risk even if they're chosen that way: losing to B/S would be worse than losing against D/W or V/M, since no one expects another team to beat either teams. Skate Canada would be a good choice for them, and I suspect Skate Canada won't choose Chock/Bates, unless forced to by the selection order.

    The official selection hasn't yet taken place.
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    It confused me too. I was thinking; Where on earth is Street John. ;)
  29. Sylvia

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    Re-posting from the Russian news thread yesterday:
    I hope Russia submits her name - IMO, she has nothing left to prove on the JGP.
  30. npavel

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    Wasn't last year the last one where junior can get senior GP before they can go to ISU championships?
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    Do you mean compete Senior GP and then go to Junior championships? If so, that provision did not pass, and there's no restriction on moving back and forth between Jr./Sr. GP and Jr./Sr. Championships, as long as the skater(s) is age-eligible. The only thing that's changed recently is that Jr. Pairs can no longer participate in both Jr. and Sr. GP.
  32. npavel

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    I mean, she isn't 15 by 1. July this year
  33. Sylvia

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    ^^^ Yes. At 14, Radionova can compete on the Senior Grand Prix this year.

    ISU Rule 108:
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    It looks like that rule doesn't kick in until July 2014..does that mean that this year she can still do GP at 14( like Lipnitskaia my summer brain says)
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  35. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Correct. I should have been clearer in my earlier post. Radionova turned 14 on January 6, 2013.
  36. npavel

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    ok, so this is the last year for a skater who isn't 15 years old to participate at Senior GP. Thank you
  37. missychu

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    anyone know how and when we can buy grand prix FINAL tickets???
  38. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    It's still too early to know much, but someone touched on this topic in the Chan über thread last month: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...oad-to-Sochi&p=3900836&viewfull=1#post3900836

    ETA that TEB 2013 tickets are on sale: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?88024-Trophee-Eric-Bompard-2013

    The Skate America and Skate Canada threads in GSD will be bumped up when tickets go on sale (hopefully soon).
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  39. Visaliakid

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    Last year the ISU published the 2012-13 Grand Prix Assignments on Monday, May 21st. So we might be seeing the 2013-14 assignments any day now.
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    This year it seems to be later as pointed out here