2012-2013 TOP 24 SEASON BEST SCORES UPDATED

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  1. kwanfan1818

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    Yes, that may compensate somewhat for the other advantages Seniors have.

    2Lz: 2.1 base, up to maximum of 3 (for +3 GOE)
    2Lz with -3 GOE, 1.2

    2Lz/2T: 3.4 base, up to a maximum of 4.9 (for +3 GOE)
    2Lz/2T with -3 GOE: 1.9


    As far as impacting the Top 24 PB list, practically speaking, it's not relevant for the singles currently there:

    Ladies:
    Radionova
    Miller
    Pogorilaya
    Wang (in danger of falling off after Worlds from here down)
    Miyahara
    Cesario

    Men (both will likely fall off after Worlds):
    Chen
    Farris
     
  2. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Radinova, Cesario, Pogorilaya, Miyahara, and Farris all have the opportunity to raise their PB scores at JW, however.
     
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    You mean SB (Seasons Best), right? :)

    I expect Jason Brown to raise his SB score as long as he skates well at Junior Worlds -- he possibly could make it up to #24 or higher. He's currently #34 (198.32) and his ISU PB total score was 214.90 at last year's Junior Worlds.

    Courtney Hicks is currently #31 (153.77 is her SB and PB total score) and is likely to move up if she skates well at Junior Worlds. Yasmin Siraj's ISU PB total is 161.75 (2010 JGP in Sheffield, England, but it was a particularly high-scoring event that season, as I recall): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012615.htm
     
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  4. kwanfan1818

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    Yes, SB :eek:

    I think there are Seniors at the cusp or who are within striking distance of the Top 24 SB list who have more potential upside at Worlds, especially if they hit their SP, resulting in the delayed PCS bumps for the FS. That plus the extra element gives the advantage to the Seniors who deliver SP's without which all but the best skaters won't make the SB for next year's GP selections, if theyh're not already there.

    I hope Brown can get back to scoring that high.
     
  5. pinky166

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    Farris could potentially stay in the top 24 even with his current SB from Lake Placid, but if he skates like he did at Nationals at JW, I'd expect he'd be able to put up a score a good bit higher, even with it being a junior international event, that would put him higher up the list. But again he's at 22 now and looking at the list, unless Denis Ten and Tomas Verner skate much better than they have all season at Worlds, or someone like Adam Rippon gets named to WTT and puts up a higher number there, or Gatchinski and/or Voronov goes to Worlds instead of Kovtun (seems unlikely) and scores over 218, then even if Josh is not at his best at JW he might stay on the list.
     
  6. misskarne

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    Farris's PB is a 221.97 from JW last year, and he wasn't totally clean there, nor did he have/attempt the quad, so he's definitely capable of putting a 222 down. Brown, as discussed, has a PB of 214; if he can nail the triple Axel at least twice out of the three attempts he'll have at JW and skate clean I expect he could raise that to 220 at least. So they may not fall off.

    What's the current score for 24th?
     
  7. kwanfan1818

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    #24, Majorov is at 211.88. Farris is #22 at 218.69 and Chen is #21 at 222.00.

    When I first looked at it, I thought Majorov was #25, and he is capable of gaining another six points to overtake the person in front of him (Voronov, with 217.21), but that's moot, since he's already in the Top 24, with chances to go higher, having made a strong impression at Euros.

    Ten, Rogozine, and Ge are long-shots to overtake Majorov and Voronov, so, you're right, unless Rippon (210.47) is appointed to WTT, and he'd have to skate the way he's capable of to catch up.

    Ladies are far less certain, because there's a cluster around the cut-off:
    17 168.41 Hannah MILLER USA ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
    18 167.40 Anna POGORILAYA RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13 08.12.2012
    19 166.61 Agnes ZAWADZKI USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    20 162.65 Angela WANG USA ISU JGP Croatia Cup 2012 06.10.2012
    21 161.65 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN ISU JGP Lake Placid 2012 01.09.2012
    22 160.52 Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 27.10.2012
    23 157.72 Haruka IMAI JPN ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012 21.10.2012
    23 157.72 Samantha CESARIO USA ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
    24 157.58 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 17.11.2012

    -->> Current cut-off

    25 157.27 Alena LEONOVA RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    26 156.52 Ksenia MAKAROVA RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 24.11.2012
    27 156.33 Leah KEISER USA ISU JGP Bosphorus 2012 21.09.2012
    28 155.72 Viktoria HELGESSON SWE European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    29 155.08 Amelie LACOSTE CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 10.02.2013
    30 154.41 Nikol GOSVIANI RUS European Championships 2013 26.01.2013
    31 153.77 Courtney HICKS USA ISU JGP Lake Placid 2012 01.09.2012
    32 153.32 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 10.11.2012
    33 152.29 Sonia LAFUENTE ESP European Championships 2013 26.01.2013

    Wang, as an alternate, is vulnerable, less than five points above the current cut-off. Meite needs less than a point to bump down Imai and Cesario, and is within a three points of Gedevanishvili and four points of Miyahara. Viktoria Helgesson is within a few points, and I suspect having just missed Top 10 at Worlds last year, she'll aim for it to earn a second spot for Sochi, which would give her sister a shot and give her some safety, if the Olsson continues to improve. Meite has the same incentive, if Silete is healthy next near. Either Leonova or Gosviani could do it, and Lafuente has an outside shot.
     
  8. Sasha'sSpins

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    It is interesting that Mirai is the number 2 U.S. woman on that list-but likely like last year she'll only get one GP spot. And especially after whatever goes down at Worlds.
     
  9. kwanfan1818

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    Maybe, but it's more likely that she'll be invited to a second, like almost Top 24 skater on the SB list.
     
  10. pinky166

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    Majarov's 211+ at Euros was an UNUSUALLY HIGH score from him, honestly, he rarely skates that well, I'd be surprised if he moves up the list after Worlds. Gatchinski and Vornov are both capable of scoring well above their current SB scores, but it's unlikely either will even be at Worlds as Kovtun is the likely entry and is already higher up the list. Rogozine and Ge were pretty much perfect at 4CCs to get those scores of just over 200, I don't think either will make the cut. Ten is capable of 230+ but obviously he is still hampered by his injury if 4CCs was any indication, and he just tends to struggle in competition as of late, so I would guess he does not get a new SB at Worlds. As for WTT idk if Rippon would even be sent, especially where Dornbush did well at 4CC, Aaron needs the ranking points, and if someone like Farris were to win JW they might give him a shot too. But maybe USFS would give Rippon the spot just to help his chances for GP assignments next season. Farris I think is likely to stay in the top 24 with his current number, so getting a new SB at JW is not so imperative for him as it is for Brown, but certainly if he skates well, a score as high as in the 230s is possible, for Brown maybe not quite so high, but certainly high enough to make the top 24 you would think.

    For the ladies I think Wang should be fine, most of the ladies below her won't be at Worlds, so 5 people would need to pass her to get bumped off, Gosviani/Leonova (or whoever the 3rd Russian at Worlds will be - but it will only be one) are capable but it's not a sure thing, Helgesson maybe could but she hasn't been skating so well recently, Kexin Zhang could but her PCS are going to make it hard and she's also just off the injury, I don't think Lafuente can score that high with her content, Meite could but she'd need to skate pretty much clean at Worlds to do that which is a big ask, so realistically that leaves Hicks and Cesario. So even if the 3rd Russian entrant, Hicks, and Cesario were to overtake Wang's score, Wang would still make the cut, and actually one more person could overtake her then still. Cesario will likely need a SB over 160 at JW to stay in the top 24 but she's usually pretty consistent so I think there's good odds she can do it.
     
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  11. kwanfan1818

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    F Leonova doesn't go to Worlds, it's possible she'll be sent to WTT, and points from those competitions count. Plus it's traditional for someone to blow out their PB by 20-30 points, and Ithink it's too early to count the L!dies close to the cut-off as safe.

    We'll know soon enough.
     
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  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Updated through 2013 Junior Worlds - I've included the 2013 Worlds competitors that could get close to or reach the current #24 SB total score or are in the top 3 below #24.

    [W] = competing at Worlds

    MEN: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2012-13/sbtsmto.htm
    1 274.87 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP European Championships 2013 [W]
    2 269.40 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 [W]
    3 264.29 Yuzuru HANYU JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 [W]
    4 262.35 Patrick CHAN CAN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 [W]
    5 253.27 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13
    6 250.55 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    7 250.53 Florent AMODIO FRA European Championships 2013 [W]
    8 243.52 Michal BREZINA CZE European Championships 2013 [W]
    9 238.34 Nobunari ODA JPN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012
    10 236.92 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN ISU GP Cup of China 2012
    11 235.37 Ross MINER USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 [W]
    12 235.22 Han YAN CHN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    13 234.65 Max AARON USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    14 234.04 Richard DORNBUSH USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    15 232.47 Brian JOUBERT FRA European Championships 2013 [W]
    16 230.68 Takahito MURA JPN ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 [W]
    17 228.46 Nan SONG CHN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    18 228.32 Joshua FARRIS USA World Junior Championships 2013
    19 227.63 Jeremy ABBOTT USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012
    20 226.57 Maxim KOVTUN RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    21 224.15 Jason BROWN USA World Junior Championships 2013
    22 223.72 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    23 222.00 Nathan CHEN USA ISU JGP Austria 2012 15.09.2012
    24 217.61 Sergei VORONOV RUS ISU GP Cup of China 2012
    Competing at Worlds:
    25 211.88 Alexander MAJOROV SWE European Championships 2013
    29 203.70 Denis TEN KAZ ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012
    31 201.99 Andrei ROGOZINE CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    32 201.71 Misha GE UZB ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    36 197.36 Tomas VERNER CZE ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012
    Jorik HENDRICKX BEL (no SB score yet)

    LADIES: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2012-13/sbtslto.htm
    1 205.45 Mao ASADA JPN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    2 194.71 Carolina KOSTNER ITA European Championships 2013 [W]
    3 193.99 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    4 190.63 Ashley WAGNER USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 [W]
    5 190.08 Akiko SUZUKI JPN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    6 188.85 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    7 182.86 Elena RADIONOVA RUS ISU JGP Austria 2012
    8 181.03 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    9 179.31 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012
    10 177.19 Kiira KORPI FIN ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    11 176.68 Mirai NAGASU USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012
    12 176.45 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 [W]
    13 176.28 Christina GAO USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    14 175.03 Gracie GOLD USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012 [W]
    15 174.11 Zijun LI CHN ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 [W]
    16 171.06 Valentina MARCHEI ITA European Championships 2013 [W]
    17 168.41 Hannah MILLER USA ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13
    18 167.40 Anna POGORILAYA RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13
    19 166.61 Agnes ZAWADZKI USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    20 162.65 Angela WANG USA ISU JGP Croatia Cup 2012
    21 161.65 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN ISU JGP Lake Placid 2012
    22 160.52 Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO ISU GP Skate Canada International 2012 [W]
    23 157.72 Haruka IMAI JPN ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012
    23 157.72 Samantha CESARIO USA ISU JGP Austria 2012
    24 157.58 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 [W]
    Competing at Worlds:
    Yuna KIM KOR (no SB score yet)
    25 157.27 Alena LEONOVA RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    28 155.72 Viktoria HELGESSON SWE European Championships 2013
    33 152.29 Sonia LAFUENTE ESP European Championships 2013
    38 148.34 Kexin ZHANG CHN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013

    PAIRS: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2012-13/sbtspto.htm
    1 212.45 Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    2 205.24 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Robin SZOLKOWY GER European Championships 2013 [W]
    3 201.60 Vera BAZAROVA / Yuri LARIONOV RUS ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 [W]
    4 199.18 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    5 196.78 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Dylan MOSCOVITCH CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    6 192.81 Qing PANG / Jian TONG CHN ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 [W]
    7 187.99 Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV RUS ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 [W]
    8 187.45 Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA European Championships 2013 [W]
    9 179.21 Caydee DENNEY / John COUGHLIN USA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    10 178.81 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA European Championships 2013 [W]
    11 174.51 Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 [W]
    12 172.55 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS ISU GP Cup of China 2012
    13 167.76 Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG CHN ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012 [W]
    14 167.30 Felicia ZHANG / Nathan BARTHOLOMAY USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    15 163.10 Alexa SCIMECA / Chris KNIERIM USA ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012 [W]
    16 162.30 Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    17 162.25 Anastasia MARTIUSHEVA / Alexei ROGONOV RUS ISU GP NHK Trophy 2012
    18 161.11 Lina FEDOROVA / Maxim MIROSHKIN RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13
    19 157.12 Daria POPOVA / Bruno MASSOT FRA European Championships 2013
    20 155.96 Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13
    21 155.83 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER USA World Junior Championships 2013
    22 154.70 Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO CAN World Junior Championships 2013

    23 153.56 Maria VIGALOVA / Egor ZAKROEV RUS ISU Junior Grand Prix Final 2012/13
    24 152.78 Brittany JONES / Ian BEHARRY CAN ISU JGP Austria 2012
    25 151.47 Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN CHN World Junior Championships 2013 [W-alt.]
    Competing at Worlds:
    Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN (no SB score yet)
    31 142.53 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    33 141.79 Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE GER European Championships 2013
    36 131.51 Stacey KEMP / David KING GBR European Championships 2013

    ICE DANCE: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/sb2012-13/sbtsdto.htm
    1 187.36 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    2 184.32 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    3 170.18 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA ISU Grand Prix Final 2012/13 [W]
    4 169.25 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    5 169.14 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    6 165.80 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA European Championships 2013 [W]
    7 160.42 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    8 159.97 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    9 158.97 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN ISU GP Cup of China 2012 [W]
    10 157.83 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013 [W]
    11 157.77 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS European Championships 2013 [W]
    12 152.95 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR European Championships 2013 [W]
    13 150.17 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS World Junior Championships 2013
    14 147.28 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER European Championships 2013 [W]
    15 145.23 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA ISU GP Trophee Bompard 2012
    16 145.08 Victoria SINITSINA / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN RUS ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2012
    17 144.83 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE European Championships 2013 [W]
    18 143.26 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA World Junior Championships 2013
    19 142.54 Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER European Championships 2013
    20 142.48 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA European Championships 2013 [W]
    21 141.41 Lynn KRIENGKRAIRUT / Logan GIULIETTI-SCHMITT USA ISU GP Hilton HHonors Skate America 2012
    22 140.00 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA European Championships 2013 [W]
    23 139.33 Alexandra ALDRIDGE / Daniel EATON USA World Junior Championships 2013
    24 139.10 Nicole ORFORD / Thomas WILLIAMS CAN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    Competing at Worlds:
    Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU (no SB score yet)
    33 132.90 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST European Championships 2013
    34 131.04 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN ISU Four Continents Championships 2013
    35 129.36 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR European Championships 2013
     
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  13. SamuraiK

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    UPDATED PAIRS AFTER WORLDS:

    TOP 24 SEASON BEST: ALL GUARANTEED GP EVENTS IN 2013-2014 SEASON
    Rank Country Name Score Competition
    01. RUS VOLOSOZHAR & TRANKOV 225.71 WC
    02. GER SAVCHENKO & SZOLKOWY 205.56 WC
    03. CAN DUHAMEL & RADFORD 204.56 WC
    04. RUS BAZAROVA & LARIONOV 201.60 GPF
    05. CAN MOORE-TOWERS & MOSVOVITCH 199.50 WC
    06. CHN PANG & TONG 194.64 WC
    07. RUS KAVAGUTI & SMIRNOV 191.59 WC
    08. ITA BERTON & HOTAREK 187.45 EC
    09. FRA JAMES & CIPRES 180.17 WC
    10. USA DENNEY & COUGHLIN 179.21 COR
    11. USA CASTELLI & SHNAPIR 174.51 NHK
    12. USA SCIMECA & KNIERIM 173.51 WC
    13. RUS STOLBOVA & KLIMOV 172.55 COC
    14. CHN PENG & ZHANG 167.76 TEB
    15. USA ZHANG & BARTHOLOMAY 167.30 FC
    16. CHN SUI & HAN 165.89 WC
    17. CAN LAWRENCE & SWIEGERS 162.30 FC
    18. RUS MARTIUSHEVA & ROGONOV 162.25 NHK
    19. RUS FEDOROVA & MIROSHKIN 161.11 JGPF (likely stay junior)
    20. FRA POPOVA & MASSOT 157.12 EC
    21. RUS DAVANKOVA & DEPUTAT 155.96 JGPF (likely stay junior)
    22. USA DENNEY & FRAZIER 155.83 JWC
    23. CAN PURDY & MARINARO 154.70 JWC
    24. RUS VIGALOVA & ZAKROEV 153.56 JGPF (likely stay junior)
     
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    UPDATED MEN SCORES AFTER WORLDS:

    TOP 24 SEASON BEST: ALL GUARANTEED A GP EVENT FOR 2013-2014 SEASON
    Rank Country Name Score Competition
    1 ESP JAVIER FERNANDEZ 274.87 EC
    2 JPN DAISUKE TAKAHASHI 269.40 GPF
    3 CAN PATRICK CHAN 267.78 WC
    4 KAZ DENIS TEN 266.48 WC
    5 JPN YUZURU HANYU 264.29 GPF
    6 JPN TAKAHIKO KOZUKA 253.27 GPF
    7 CAN KEVIN REYNOLDS 250.55 FC
    8 FRA FLORENT AMODIO 250.53 EC
    9 CZE MICHAL BREZINA 243.52 EC
    10 USA MAX AARON 238.36 WC
    11 JPN NOBUNARI ODA 238.34 SC
    12 JPN TATSUKI MACHIDA 236.92 COC
    13 USA ROSS MINER 235.37 NHK
    14 CHN HAN YAN 235.22 FC
    15 JPN TAKAHITO MURA 234.18 WC
    16 USA RICHARD DORNBUSH 234.04 FC
    17 FRA BRIAN JOUBER 232.47 EC
    18 CHN NAN SONG 228.46 FC
    19 USA JOSHUA FARRIS 228.32 JWC
    20 USA JEREMY ABBOTT 227.63 TEB
    21 RUS MAXIM KOVTUN 226.57 EC
    22 USA JASON BROWN 224.15 JWC
    23 RUS KONSTANTIN MENSHOV 223.72 COR
    24 USA NATHAN CHEN 222.00 JGP-AUT
     
  15. kwanfan1818

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    There's one more event that could impact the SB list: World Team Trophy.

    According to the ISU announcement, the two highest-ranked singles in each country who have also placed top 10 at Worlds have to compete at WTT; for Pairs and Dance, the country can choose, if more than one meets the criteria.

    Men:
    • CAN: Chan (WS 1/WC 1) and Reynolds (WS 16/WC 5) should have to skate.
    • USA: No man has to be chosen. Top 2 WS are Abbott (8) and Miner (15). Max Aaron is the only US man in Top 10 at WC, but he's ranked 27th in WS).
    • JPN: Hanyu (WS 2/WC 4) and Takahashi (WS 3/WC 6) if JPN makes it without Pairs points.
    • RUS: No man has to be chosen. Top 2 WS are Gachinski (10) and Menshov (18), with neither of them skating at WC, so no required pick. Kovtun is WS 29/WC 17.
    • ITA: Bacchini is WS 46, Parkinson is 99.
    • CHN: Han Yan is WS 20, Song is WS 25.
    • FRA: The Top 2 WS are Amodio (9) and Joubert (13). Amodio finished 12th at WC, so he doesn't have to be chosen, but Joubert (WC 9) does, if FRA is in.


    If Voronov (30) is chosen, he needs 4.4 over his SB to pass Chen for the 24th sport, and if Gachinski (10) is chosen, he needs 10.17 points over his SB; they should be the only ones with a real shot. Bacchini and Parkinson aren't close, Besseghier or Razzano would need 30+ points over his SB, and Chan, Reynolds, Yan, Song, Aaron, Miner, Dornbush, Farris, Abbott, Brown, Joubert, Amodio, Takahashi, Hanyu, Kovtun and Menshov are already Top 24.

    Pairs:

    • CAN: Top 2 WS: D/R (WS 3/WC 3) and M-T/M (WS 8/WC 4). Either can be sent.
    • USA: Top 2 WS: C/S (WS 15/WC 13) and Denney/Frazier (WS 24). Neither must be sent. S/K are WS 32, behind V/B (WS 31), although they made Top 10 at Worlds.
    • RUS: Top 2 WS: V/T (WS 1/WC 1) and B/L (WS 4/WC 7). Either of them should be chosen.
    • CHN: Top 2 WS: P/T (WS 5/WC 5) and S/H (WS 11/WC 12). Theoretically, P/T should be sent, if CHN makes it in, but he should plead old knees.
    • ITA: Top 2 WS: B/H (WS 6/WC 10) and D/G (WS 22/WC 14). B/H should be chosen.
    • FRA: Top 2 WS: J/C (WS 12/WC 8) and P/M (WS 17). J/C should be chosen.


    #24 is Vigalova/Zakroev. If China sends Yu/Jin -- not likely -- then they are just a few points off V/Z's SB score. Vise/Baldwin are a little over 10 points under V/Z's SB score, with DM/G of ITA just a bit behind V/B. The other ones who supposedly have to be chosen or are likely to be are already higher than 24 on the SB list.
     
  16. pinky166

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    So does the US men's situation mean someone like Dornbush or Farris could be sent? Jeremy is a reasonable pick provided he's healthy and wants to go, but you would think Max and Ross could maybe use a bit of a rest after having competed at Nats+4CCs+Worlds all in a row. Plus Max has 2 GPs garuanteed already for being in the top 12 at Worlds and Ross is already safely within the top 24 for SB and WS so WTT can't do much for him anyways. I suppose Rippon could be sent because he's not in the top 24 for WS or SB at this point so it could help for GP selections, but idk if he's still injured.

    Also, I think Russia already unofficially confirmed that Menshov and Voronov would be going to WTT. So no Gatchinski, I believe he's working on new programs for next season already anyways and given his long offseason he's probably at a different point in his training that most others right now in which case competing with old programs could be a nuisance.
     
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    World team trophy has big prize money. Most skaters are going to want to go unless they are hurt. It will be interesting to see who US sends but if it isn't aaron-miner or aaron-Abbott I'd expect some major complaining.
     
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    So how come USFS sent Gracie last year? From the looks of it, the USFS doesn't HAVE to invite any male skater in particular and can therefore choose who to send - so it's not jipping anyone of prize money if the invites are up for grabs anyways. Plus Miner probably does not need to be competing in an another event and risk having his confidence shaken even more should he not deliver. Max I guess would make sense but wouldn't it be more valuable for skaters like Dornbush, Farris, or Brown who are on the bubble to get 2 GPs next season? I think they are all very close to making the top 24 WS as is, could WTT make a difference?
     
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    Well, after Alissa's performance at World's (and news of her injury? Not sure if that came up yet or not) it was pretty clear she shouldn't be going. Maybe that means Ross shouldn't either. But I think USFSA would have a hard time justifying not sending their national champion to a major event like that. Whether they pick a different male or not, I don't know. USFS usually goes by their national results for World team. They rarely make smart decisions in regards to getting skaters on GPs and such.
     
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    I suppose. And Czisny's injury probably had come out by then, or she at least was getting tested for stuff. But you would have thought next in line would be Agnes or Mirai and not Gracie, so that's more why I wonder if they might send Josh or Jason. As for GPs, it would more be, Adam was supposed to go to 4CCs which would have given him a chance to get his SB into the top 24, he didn't go, he's off the list for now and thus is not certain for even 1 GP. It would more be, if USFS wants to give SA to say Johnson, or Brown as a 2nd event (though one would think/hope he could get 2 on his own), Rippon getting a GP by virtue of a top 24 SB score would make that decision easier, whereas if he stays at home, he might not get any GP invites, and the USFS might feel the need to give SA to him in case they are strongly considering him for the Olympic team or such. Idk. I doubt they really think that far into it and one would think Rippon would be below Dornbush, Farris, Brown, and Miner on the pecking order for being asked anyways, but where Gold went last season and it was obviously not due to her having a high WS (she had only competed at 2 international comps at that point), I guess you never know.
     
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    ICE DANCE UPDATED AFTER WORLDS

    TOP 24 SEASON BEST: ALL GUARANTEED GP EVENTS IN 2013-2014 SEASON
    Rank Country Name Score Competition
    01. USA DAVIS & WHITE 189.56 WC
    02. CAN VIRTUE & MOIR 185.04 WC
    03. FRA PECHALAT & BOURZAT 170.18 GPF
    04. RUS BOBROVA & SOLOVIEV 169.25 EC
    05. RUS ILINYKH & KATSALAPOV 169.14 EC
    06. ITA CAPPELLINI & LANOTTE 168.04 WC
    07. CAN WEAVER & POJE 166. 20 WC
    08. USA CHOCK & BATES 163.93 WC
    09. USA SHIBUTANI & SHIBUTANI 159.97 FC
    10. CAN GILLES & POIRIER 157.83 FC
    11. RUS RIAZANOVA & TKACHENKO 157.77 EC
    12. GER ZHIGANSHINA & GAZSI 154.27 WC
    13. GBR COOMES & BUCKLAND 152.95 EC
    14. RUS STEPANOVA & BUKIN 150.17 JWC
    15. FRA CARRON & JONES 145.98 WC
    16. USA HUBBELL & DONOHUE 145.23 TEB
    17. RUS SINITSINA & ZHIGANSHIN 145.08 COR
    18. AZE ZLOBINA & SITNIKOV 144.83 EC
    19. FRA PAPADAKIS & CIZERON 143.26 JWC
    20. GER KOLBE & CARUSO 142.54 EC
    21. ITA GUIGNARD & FABBRI 142.48 EC
    22. UKR HEEKIN-CANEDY & DUN 141.88 WC
    23. LTU TOBIAS & STAGNIUNAS 141.64 WC
    24. USA KRIENGKRAIRUT & GIULIETTI-SCHMITT 141.41 SA
     
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    Unfortunately I have a feeling Wang will be back on the JGP again next year :(
     
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    There's still WTT however? Not sure if that's likely to make a difference, but should she stay on the list after that, she should totally compete on senior GP next season, especially now that the US has 3 spots for ladiezzz!
     
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    Hopefully not. She and Miller are ready for senior GP and should get to go if they want. However, i'll be less :mad: if they keep Wang on JGP than if they keep Jason Brown there again, especially considering Miner's effort at Worlds pales in comparison to his JW score. Let the youngins move up USFS - they really can do well....just look at the ladies event, places 6-10 all aged 16 or 17 :)
     
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    If she's in the top 24 after WTT, why would USFSA want her on the JGP? If she's guaranteed 2 GPs, what is to the USFSA's disadvantage in having her use them?
     
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    I think top 24 means one guaranteed assignment (though this season many end up with 2), and maybe some skaters think two jgps are better than one guaranteed assignment, and they want to go to jr worlds.

    But skaters who are in jgps are always at a disadvantage in terms of scoring potential, and that in turns puts them lower in the season's best list, esp with the scoring inflation we've seen this season with some events. I mean, even Leonova almost beats Wang's highest score with her subpar skate at worlds.

    I hope skaters like her get to move up; if she waits to move up, by the time she does, there may be college to think about already.
     
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    Wang needs to get on the GP next season. She has great potential. I would love to see someone like that make the Olympic team now that we have that 3rd spot back. It would be great experience for her.
     
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    Not official, but I've tried to come up with the adjusted WS lists after Worlds. If the GP rules are the same as last season, the Top 24 in WS should be guaranteed one GP pick, if they haven't already been guaranteed spot(s) from Top 12 at Worlds, Top 24 SB, and possibly some Junior medalists (rules seem to change each season). Here are Top 30, in bold/italic if I don't see any other way they are guaranteed spots with the current rules in place:

    Ladies:
    Rank Skater/Team Country Total Before 2013-14 Season
    1 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 3435 (2nd Worlds)
    2 Mao ASADA JPN 3233 (3rd Worlds)
    3 Akiko SUZUKI JPN 3228 (12th Worlds)
    4 Ashley WAGNER USA 2951 (5th Worlds)
    5 Viktoria HELGESSON SWE 2484
    6 Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS 2480 (9th Worlds)
    7 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 2411 (4th Worlds)
    8 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS 2253 (10th Worlds)
    9 Alena LEONOVA RUS 2250 (Currently SB 25, could get higher if assigned to WTT)
    10 Zijun LI CHN 2184 (7th Worlds)
    11 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS 2154 (Currently SB 13)
    12 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 2120 (11th Worlds)
    13 Kiira KORPI FIN 2085 (Currently SB 13)
    14 Gracie GOLD USA 1997 (5th Worlds)
    15 Agnes ZAWADZKI USA 1868 (Currently SB 20)
    16 Christina GAO USA 1813 (Currently SB 16)
    17 Valentina MARCHEI ITA 1714 (Currently SB 17)
    18 Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO 1678 (Currently SB 24)
    19 Joshi HELGESSON SWE 1618
    20 Amelie LACOSTE CAN 1603
    21 Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS 1484
    22 Yuna KIM KOR 1450 (1st Worlds)
    23 Mirai NAGASU USA 1429 (Currently SB 15)
    24 Elena GLEBOVA EST 1411
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    25 Natalia POPOVA UKR 1373
    26 Ksenia MAKAROVA RUS 1368
    27 Kaetlyn OSMOND CAN 1360 (8th Worlds)
    28 Sonia LAFUENTE ESP 1317
    29 Jenna MCCORKELL GBR 1309
    30 Haruka IMAI JPN 1278

    Men:
    Rank Skater/Team Country Total Before 2013-14 Season
    1 Patrick CHAN CAN 3928 (1st Worlds)
    2 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 3788 (4th Worlds)
    3 Daisuke TAKAHASHI JPN 3409 (6th Worlds)
    4 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 3353 (3rd Worlds)
    5 Michal BREZINA CZE 2893 (10th Worlds)
    6 Denis TEN KAZ 2712 (2nd Worlds)
    7 Florent AMODIO FRA 2106 (12th Worlds)
    8 Ross MINER USA 2019 (Currently SB 13)
    9 Kevin REYNOLDS CAN 1950 (5th Worlds)
    10 Brian JOUBERT FRA 1942 (9th Worlds)
    11 Takahito MURA JPN 1853 (8th Worlds)
    12 Jeremy ABBOTT USA 1830 (Currently SB 20)
    13 Han YAN CHN 1815 (Currently SB 14)
    14 Richard DORNBUSH USA 1809 (Currently SB 16)
    15 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN 1758 (Currently SB 12)
    16 Joshua FARRIS USA 1754 (Currently SB 19, 1st Jr. Worlds)
    17 Takahiko KOZUKA JPN 1697 (Currently SB 6)
    18 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS 1675 (Currently SB 23)
    19 Alexander MAJOROV SWE 1668
    20 Jason BROWN USA 1659 (Currently SB 22)
    21 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 1505 (Currently SB 21)
    22 Nobunari ODA JPN 1487 (Currently SB 11)
    23 Chafik BESSEGHIER FRA 1478
    24 Nan SONG CHN 1451 (Currently SB 18)
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    25 Tomas VERNER CZE 1447
    26 Sergei VORONOV RUS 1360 (Currently SB 25, could go higher at WTT)
    27 Peter LIEBERS GER 1325 (11th Worlds)
    28 Adam RIPPON USA 1319
    29 Michael Christian MARTINEZ PHI 1275
    30 Misha GE UZB 1269

    Pairs:
    1 Tatiana VOLOSOZHAR / Maxim TRANKOV RUS 4540 (1st Worlds)
    2 Aliona SAVCHENKO / Robin SZOLKOWY GER 3410 (2nd Worlds)
    3 Meagan DUHAMEL / Eric RADFORD CAN 3061 (3rd Worlds)
    4 Vera BAZAROVA / Yuri LARIONOV RUS 2880 (7th Worlds)
    5 Yuko KAVAGUTI / Alexander SMIRNOV RUS 2762 (6th Worlds)
    6 Stefania BERTON / Ondrej HOTAREK ITA 2745 (10th Worlds)
    7 Kirsten MOORE-TOWERS / Dylan MOSCOVITCH CAN 2464 (4th Worlds)
    8 Qing PANG / Jian TONG CHN 2448 (5th Worlds)
    9 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 2386 (Currently SB 13)
    10 Vanessa JAMES / Morgan CIPRES FRA 2304 (8th Worlds)
    11 Caydee DENNEY / John COUGHLIN USA 1931 (Currently SB 10)
    12 Paige LAWRENCE / Rudi SWIEGERS CAN 1866 (Currently SB 17)
    13 Marissa CASTELLI / Simon SHNAPIR USA 1792 (Currently SB 11)
    14 Daria POPOVA / Bruno MASSOT FRA 1675 (Currently SB 20)
    15 Mari VARTMANN / Aaron VAN CLEAVE GER 1527
    16 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 1462 (12th Worlds)
    17 Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN CHN 1461
    18 Margaret PURDY / Michael MARINARO CAN 1395 (Currently SB 23)
    19 Nicole DELLA MONICA / Matteo GUARISE ITA 1326
    20 Narumi TAKAHASHI / Mervin TRAN JPN 1262 (split--could be removed before GP)
    21 Lina FEDOROVA / Maxim MIROSHKIN RUS 1120 (Currently SB 19)
    22 Haven DENNEY / Brandon FRAZIER USA 1115 (Currently SB 22 and 1st Jr. Worlds)
    23 Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG CHN 1105 (11th Worlds)
    24 Alexa SCIMECA / Chris KNIERIM USA 1059 (9th Worlds)
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    25 Britney SIMPSON / Matthew BLACKMER USA 1032 (Would move to 24th spot if Takahashi/Tran removed from WS list before GP selection.)
    26 Vasilisa DAVANKOVA / Andrei DEPUTAT RUS 1006
    27 Danielle MONTALBANO / Evgeni KRASNOPOLSKI ISR 905
    28 Tiffany VISE / Don BALDWIN USA 840
    29 Stina MARTINI / Severin KIEFER AUT 832
    30 Felicia ZHANG / Nathan BARTHOLOMAY USA 794

    Dance:
    Rank Skater/Team Country Total Before 2013-14 Season
    1 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 3999 (2nd Worlds)
    2 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 3996 (1st Worlds)
    3 Ekaterina BOBROVA / Dmitri SOLOVIEV RUS 3246 (3rd Worlds)
    4 Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT FRA 3143 (6th Worlds)
    5 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 2993 (4th Worlds)
    6 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 2958 (5th Worlds)
    7 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 2820 (9th Worlds)
    8 Nelli ZHIGANSHINA / Alexander GAZSI GER 2524 (10th Worlds)
    9 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 2462 (8th Worlds)
    10 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 2283 (11th Worlds)
    11 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 2134 (Currently SB 13)
    12 Julia ZLOBINA / Alexei SITNIKOV AZE 1939 (Currently SB 18)
    13 Madison CHOCK / Evan BATES USA 1933 (7th Worlds)
    14 Pernelle CARRON / Lloyd JONES FRA 1893 (12th Worlds)
    15 Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN RUS 1789 (Currently SB 14 and 1st Jr. Worlds)
    16 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 1615 (Currently SB 21)
    17 Victoria SINITSINA / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN RUS 1580 (Currently SB 17)
    18 Alexandra ALDRIDGE / Daniel EATON USA 1560
    19 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 1499 (Currently SB 19)
    20 Madison HUBBELL / Zachary DONOHUE USA 1483 (Currently SB 16)
    21 Nicole ORFORD / Thomas WILLIAMS CAN 1465
    22 Isabella TOBIAS / Deividas STAGNIUNAS LTU 1460 (Currently SB 23)
    23 Cathy REED / Chris REED JPN 1434
    24 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 1329 (Currently SB 10)
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    25 Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 1293
    26 Tanja KOLBE / Stefano CARUSO GER 1289
    27 Anna NAGORNYUK / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 1278
    28 Siobhan HEEKIN-CANEDY / Dmitri DUN UKR 1273
    29 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 1221
    30 Valeria ZENKOVA / Valerie SINITSIN RUS 1145


    ETA: these will be adjusted after the remaining senior internationals are completed.
     
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    WTT will likely impact the SB list for at least someone, and the last senior internationals will change the WS scores for Ladies, Men, and Pairs, even if they don't impact the Top 24. Dance is set, since WTT doesn't earn WS points, and there are no senior internationals with Ice Dance left. Here are the remaining senior internationals; there are others for Juniors and below that don't qualify for WS points:

    22 - 24 Mar Coupe du Printemps 2013; Senior, Junior, Novice (Ladies, Men); Senior, Junior (Pairs); Luxembourg, Luxembourg
    27 - 31 Mar (New Date) Triglav Trophy Senior; Junior, Novice (Ladies, Men); Jesenice, Slovenia
    1 - 3 Apr 23rd Gardena Spring Trophy; Senior, Junior, Novice; (Ladies, Men); Selva Val Gardena, Italy

    There are no complete rosters I can find yet for Triglav Trophy (entry deadline was 28 Feb) and Gardena (entry deadline was 1 Mar).

    There are eight Men with a mathematical possibility of passing at least Nan Song with one (Verner, Voronov), one or two (Rippon), or two internationals (Hino, Gachinski, Uno, Rappe, Omori). More importantly for Besseghier, were two of the same men to surpass him, he'd lose a guaranteed spot, and the French Fed will likely choose between him and Ponsart for TEB, possibly his only chance to earn SB points for 2014-15. None are on the competitor's list for Coupe de Printemps for Sr. Men.

    There are nine Ladies with a mathematical possibility of passing at least Elena Glebova with one (Popova, Makarova, Osmond), one or two (Imai, Miyahara), or two (Gilleron-Gorry, K. Zhang, Pogorilaya, HJ Kim). Glebova needs to keep her spot to be guaranteed a GP. None are listed for Coupe de Printemps for Sr. Ladies.

    There are three Pairs with a mathematical possibility of passing at least Scimeca/Knierem with one (Simpson/Blackmer, Davankova/Deputat) or one or two (Vise/Baldwin), but none of them are listed for Coupe de Printemps for Sr. Pairs. The good news for Della Monica/Guarise, who need to be Top 24 WS to be guaranteed a spot, is that there is no possibility of passing them with a single senior internationals.