2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Assignments

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  1. danafan

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    If being top 24 in the season best standings is supposed to guarantee a senior grand prix, can we only assume USFSA didn't put his name forward?
     
  2. Jammers

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    Yeah i'd rather that the young guns like Jason and Josh got at least one GP assignment then Johnny getting two. Those two kids are the future of US Mens not a soon to be 28 year old who's best days are behind him. Not a smart move USFS you better start looking to the future not the past.
     
  3. RD

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    I can even understand Flatt getting SA but not Gao, sorry.
     
  4. Sasha'sSpins

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    Nebelhorn is considered just a B event (I believe). Basically it's a warm up for the GPs. Sure she won gold, but she still made mistakes. She was looking a bit shaky even there. Her poor performance at Nationals that kept Mirai off of the Worlds team ONCE AGAIN (and this time with no question, no controversy) and on the GP (apart from her too-late run silver at COC) is what I was referring too. If the USFS still had any faith in her I believe she would have been given a second assignment. I love Mirai but I'm not wearing rose-colored glasses. Even an under-par Flatt beat her at Nationals. The U.S. officials I believe are sending Mirai a message-get it together or else.

    I hope Mirai skates lights out at COC. I'm deeply concerned about her current training situation (apparently hopscotching rinks, 'training' by herself, etc.) I hope it's resolved by now or will be by the summer. She's my favorite U.S. ladie's skater. I want her to go out on a high note. She's out of the GPF as it is.
     
  5. Vagabond

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    There was a good chance that neither Flatt nor Gao would have gotten an invitation to any other Grand Prix event if the USFSA didn't invite them to Skate America. While Nagasu and Czisny might have been more deserving, they are also more likely than Flatt and Gao to get invitations to a second event if any spaces open up.
     
  6. icellist

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    here's to hoping that Mirai is at the top of the substitute list
     
  7. haribobo

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    Really? Her FS at Nationals was kind of amazing! Granted she skated miserably on the GP, but you can't ignore what easily could have been a medal-winning FS at Nationals in another year. IMO, she deserves it, especially if Lam and Cesario are going the JGP route again and Baga's doing pairs- I can't really think who else would go anyway besides maybe Mirai. I prefer Mirai's skating greatly vs. Gao, but it would be silly to ignore the 5th and 6th place ladies from Nationals. Maybe if they didn't skate well at Nationals, but they did!

    I think the TBA for Skate America men could be/could have been as much for Josh Farris as Evan or Armin. Its a little sad/perplexing that he wasn't given anything on the first go round (he was guaranteed 1, right?!?)- I wonder if there was a miscommunication somewhere. And his low finishes at Nationals put him in a bit of a no man's land politically despite his junior worlds showing. But it sounds like at any rate, he'd be very high up on the alternate list as well as very high up in contention for the TBA SA spot, so its kind of funny for him to throw in the towel and go back to JGP, but if he does indeed want Jr. Worlds again then this would be the right move. It seems that at this point in his career, he lacks that Plushenko-like delusional intensity to go for broke in getting what he wants. To each their own strategy, I suppose. Dornbush has a bit of this fire, at least he usually does, and this is why he gets the spots that an otherwise more timid skater would not get. Its the X-factory mystery spark.

    As for Armin, its also kind of sad to not see the pewter medalist with anything, but at least he's had chances before- unlike Messing, Aaron, and Carriere who got a bit of the shaft last fall. And IMO there was nothing separating these 4 skaters' performances at Nationals. I think there is a desire by USFS to really see something impressive from Armin after his poor GP showings and subpar FS at Nationals. I wonder if anyone will skate lights out this summer and become impossible to ignore or if it will be another mishmash of good but not amazing performances by all these guys making it impossible to choose between them all...

    Just about perfect job IMO by USFS on these assignments for Skate America- I can't wait to see who ends up with the TBA pairs spot and I really hope it is Zhang/Bartholomay if they look good over the summer- they've both been good little soldiers quietly working their way up the ranks. Although I'd also love to see Castelli/Shnapir if they are landing their jumps and hitting that quad throw- with a good skate, they could totally be GP medal winning skaters. I pray Donlan/Speroff can do their best at Skate America and show the world what an amazing world class team we've been hiding the last couple of years. :cheer:

    Why not Rostelecom for Martiusheva/Rogonov? They were bloody fantastic at Russian Nationals! I really hope they get something, assuming they are still competing.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2012
  8. Ziggy

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    He didn't get dumped. His scores and results last season simply weren't high enough.

    Gold was eligible for 2 spots based on her SB, if I understand correctly.

    Flatt needed a host pick.

    As Pinky said, if they skated GP they wouldn't be able to go back to Junior competitions, under the new rules which will most likely pass at congress.

    Also, 2 JGPs and JGPF will be worth more in terms of ranking points and prize money than one mediocre GP result.
     
  9. icellist

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    I'm pretty sure Gracie's SB only guaranteed 1 GP, or else Mirai would have had 2 GPs too
    USFSA probably politicked for Gracie
     
  10. jlai

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    https://twitter.com/#!/joshdfarris/status/204684561077121024

    Josh wanted a gp but didn't get one. ETA: IMHO, that s*cks esp when skaters not on top 24 world ranking or sb got one gp
     
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  11. Ziggy

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    Yes.

    I was talking about Flatt and not Nagasu, though.

    It's probably in his better interest, in the end.
     
  12. LilJen

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    nevermind
     
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  13. LilJen

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    Well, I guess we're starting to see the consequences of limiting GP spots on worthy US skaters. :( (and probably other countries as well, but I'm not as clued in)
     
  14. pinky166

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    Wait wasn't he 20th on the SB list? Meaning he was in the top 24 meaning he should have been guaranteed 1 event? I thought that's how it worked. If he did in fact submit his name he should be on the roster, unless, did the rule change and only those in the top 24 on the WORLD RANKING are guaranteed a GP event? Can anyone confirm this? If the rule didn't change, I think Josh could file a complaint explaining the error made.
     
  15. SamuraiK

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    Josh was guaranteed one event and if he wanted it and didn't get the only reason I can think of is USFS not sending his name which of course would be a big time dropping the ball scenario.
     
  16. BittyBug

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    We already saw it last season, IMO. It's worse for pairs and dancers, too.
     
  17. Lanna

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    Yeah, the rule changes are really fecking things up. It's not pleasant.
     
  18. euterpe

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    Farris: 26th WR, 19th SB, 2nd JW, 3rd JGPF; NO invitation.
    Machida: 24th WR, 26th SB; TWO invitations (SA, COC).
    Rogozine: 33rd WR, 29th SB; ONE invitation (NHK).
    Voronov: 17th Worlds, 62nd WR, 25th SB; ONE invitation (NHK).
     
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  19. jlai

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    Machida is top 24 WR
    Not sure how Ragozine, Menshov, Dmitriev, Hendrix, and Voronov got one as they weren't host picks. Rules must have changed?

    So strange to have the entries come out before the GP announcement and the rules. Are they trying to make the GP rules fit what they've decided? :p
     
  20. Jemestone

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    Yeah don't forget about Bush and Dmitriev getting one as well. WTF?? Their ranking and seasons best is worst than the above. Oh well, tis is life.
     
  21. euterpe

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    There are others lower on both lists who got assignments, but they were host picks. I listed only the INVITATIONS from other federations.
     
  22. pinky166

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    Oh dear, this could be serious. I was concerned at Nationals when Josh's PCS were significantly lower than on the JGP while most everyone else was getting huge national inflation in regards to PCS, but I chalked it up to him not skating well at Nationals, but now...:slinkaway

    The boy was 2nd at JW, 0.47 of a point from WINNING the entire competition! Dmitriev was 14th at the same event and he has a GP that isn't even a host pick, and he didn't make the JGPF either where Josh was a strong 3rd, just a handful of points off the lead. His SB is less than a point below those of Rippon and Miner who each have 2 GPs, and is over 15 points higher than Ricky Dornbush's SB and Ricky also has 2 GPs!
    The boy clearly deserves at least 1 GP if not 2!

    If USFS actually shafted him and didn't submit his name for selection when he asked to be considered, I would look into switching representation, honestly. He is just as good as Rippon and Miner already, his SB shows that, and further, he doesn't have 3a problems like Rippon does and is farther along on his quad than Miner is (and honestly, than Rippon is too). And then beyond those two and Abbott, his SB crushed those of any other US senior men this season, and that was at a junior event!

    Any smart federation would be grooming him for the Olympic team in 2014, Abbott is not getting any younger, Rippon has major technique issues, Weir was a headcase in his prime, Miner is solid and consistency but his artistry needs a lot of work and he has no quad yet, and all the other US men apart from Dornbush, who is probably the best all-around skater after Abbott at this point but seems to be headed down the headcase path as of late, get abysmally low marks internationally.

    The international judges like Josh, they give him freaking 7s for PCS at junior events! He has well-developed artistry, solid technique, a strong and reliable 3a, has been training a 4t for over a year now and has attempted it in competition before, great spins that consistently get level 4s and +2s for GOE, and he's 17! Seriously, USFS, you are delusional if you think Rippon, Miner, and Abbott are better hopes for the future than this kid.

    I hope Josh kicks butt on the JGP and then again at Nationals and gets marked fairly to show how stupid USFS is for screwing him over like this.
     
  23. Jemestone

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    Menshov is in the top 24 WR I believe due to a B competition before WTT.

    If they are trying to fit in the new GP rules, I guess the age rule didn't pass :lol:

    I don't think Dmitriev is host pick, Russia is TBA.
     
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  24. euterpe

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    Menshov: 21 WR, 34 SB
    Hendrickx: 27 WR, 28 SB
    Dmitriev: 37 WR, 29 SB, COC---not a host pick

    The COR TBA might be a placeholder for Plushenko.
     
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    The men's 60 GP slots break down by country & number of men per country as follows:
    12 countries, 33 different men + 6 TBA slots

    JPN 13 slots / 7 [corrected from 6] different men
    USA 12 / 6 + 1 TBA
    CAN 7 / 4 + 1 TBA
    RUS 7 / 5 + 1 TBA
    FRA 5 / 2 + 1 TBA
    CHN 4 / 3 + 1 TBA
    CZE 4 / 2
    ESP 2 / 1
    ITA 2 / 1
    KAZ 2 / 1
    BEL 1
    SWE 1
     
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  26. pinky166

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    Also Dornbush, Miner, and Rippon all got 2 and were only guaranteed one. The SB of Miner and Rippon is a virtual tie with that of Farris and Dornbush's is much lower. WR is higher but not even by that much.

    Plus then there's Majarov who has a low SB score as well.

    This is such a load of BS. Poor Josh.
     
  27. Lanna

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    So long as it ends up matching the rules they come up with :shuffle:
     
  28. Jemestone

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    Majorov WR is in the top 24 so he got the assignment he deserved :lol:
     
  29. pinky166

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    Yeah I thought he had 2 but just checked and no just one. His SB is low though even if his WS is high.
     
  30. Jemestone

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    That's because he skates at every competition possible, unless he is injured, and it helps his WR.
     
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