2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Assignments

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  1. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies ├╝ber

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  2. Eislauffan

    Eislauffan Well-Known Member

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    With the GP being announced so early again this season, there'll be plenty of changes later on, I think. So some people might drop out and others get a second assignment.
  3. morqet

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    What did Dornbush do to merit 2 assignments?
  4. sus2850

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    And why no Armin?
  5. Ziggy

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    Why is USFS wasting a spot on Rachael Flatt? :p

    I mean you never know, Flatt might turn her career around but I just don't understand rewarding her for her last two seasons.

    I'd have left that spot TBA and yeah maybe would give it to Flatt but ONLY if she showed good form during the Summer events.

    It is indeed surprising that Paul/Islam got totally dumped. Maybe Gilles/Poirier have been monitored and really improved a lot already?

    Some federations are smart playing a waiting game, leaving a spot TBA even though it's clear which skater of theirs should get this spot.

    But if they can give that skater a second spot via replacement system, then they can have an extra spot for somebody else. :mad:

    Thanks, that would explain it.

    20th in World Standings, I guess. But he was only 27th on the Season's Best scores so...

    Why would he get one?
  6. l'etoile

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    oh, thanks. Both scenarios sound great!
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Amending kwanfan1818's earlier post:

    US Ladies (12 slots, 8 skaters):
    Two: Wagner (USA/France), Gold and Zhang (Canada/Russia), Zawadzki (Russia/Japan)
    One: Nagasu (China), Czisny (Japan), Gao and Flatt (USA)

    US Men (12 slots, 6 skaters for now):
    Two: Abbott (USA/France), Miner (Canada/Japan), Rippon (China/Japan), Dornbush (Russia/Japan), Weir (Russia/France)
    One: Razzano (USA), TBA at Skate America

    US Pairs (10 slots, 7 teams for now):
    Two: Denney/Coughlin (USA/Russia), Marley/Brubaker (Canada/Japan)
    One: Donlan/Speroff (USA), Castelli/Shnapir (Japan), Vise/Baldwin (Canada), Yankowskas/Reagan (China), Davis/Ladwig (Japan), TBA at Skate America

    US Dance (9 slots, 5 teams for now):
    Two: Davis/White (USA/Japan), Hubbell/Donohue (Canada, France), Shibutani/Shibutani (Russia/Japan)
    One: Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt (USA), Chock/Bates (China), TBA at Skate America
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  8. Ziggy

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    Haribobo, I think Samantha Cesario has aged out of Juniors now.

    Going to JGP has nothing to do with going or not going to Senior Worlds.

    They can do both.

    Chinese Fed is usually really slow about giving their skaters opportunities and wants them to prove themselves many times over first.

    As for Farris and Brown, maybe they weren't guaranteed two GP spots and thought it would make more sense to make the JGP final?

    Because she might get the second spot as a replacement, leaving the TBA CoC spot free for another skater.

    TBA RC spot is still available. I would imagine it's going to go to one of them (but again, if they can get a replacement spot first, it will leave it free for somebody else).

    Ockham's Razor.

    He's probably not making a comeback.

    This.

    Yeah because it's never happened in the past that the assignments were packed full of skaters who didn't end up competing in the end. :saint:
  9. stjeaskategym

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    6th at Nationals and an American "fan favorite", that's why. The majority of this board may not like her, but she is popular amongst American skating audiences. It's not like we have a lot of other ladies to consider. Flatt got top 6 at Nationals without being in ideal condition... We're just not that deep in this discipline.

    Hahahaha at American pairs getting more slots than ice dance. This is a reflection of how thin the world of pairs has become, and how deep the ice dance field is.
  10. BlueRidge

    BlueRidge AYS's snark-sponge

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    I wonder if USFSA is waiting to see about Olsen & Hubbell?

    I'm not surprised Skate Canada is going all in on Gilles & Poirier! But I'm sad for Paul & Islam, I'd really like to see them.

    The limited number of spots is really unpleasant.
  11. pinky166

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    He's mad lucky Yan, Farris, and Brown all decided to stay junior another season because they all had 1 event guaranteed each and probably had a good shot at 2 so that opened up a bunch of places.
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  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    No, she turns 19 after July 1 of this year. haribobo, Galyeta/Shumski (UKR) have split in dance.

    Armin Mahbanoozadeh was 4th at US Nationals to Douglas Razzano's 5th, but Razzano's ISU SB total score ranked slightly higher at #38 to Mahbanoozadeh's at #41.
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    Yan, Farris, Brown all had 1 GP guaranteed each but probably had a good chance at getting 2 considering some of the other skaters assigned...

    Anyways, my guess is their decision had more to do with giving them more options post nationals. If they moved up to senior GP, they couldn't go to JW again based on new rules, but this way, they can be assigned to JW, 4CC and/or senior Worlds after nationals so they have more options. For example, Ricky competed on the JGP in 10-11 then went on to senior Worlds after competing senior at Nationals, so in his case, doing JGP didn't hurt him. So I understand that, but they are ready for senior GP so why not just move up and aim for 4CC and Worlds and not worry about having JW as a fallback?

    Also Cesario is born in August of 1993 so she still has one more season of JGP age-eligibility because she misses the cutoff.
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    Chock/Bates are 20th for season's best scores last season (42nd World Standings / 24th World Seasons Standings), so perhaps they are holding out to see if Chock/Bates can earn a second assignment elsewhere from the substitutes list once we get closer to the start of the season.

    If that's their plan, then it gets interesting to consider who that TBA could be. Samuelson/Gilles? Aldridge/Eaton? Cannuscio/McManus? McNamara/Carptenter? A new team? (Everyone else scoring 120+ at nationals has split).

    I wonder where Aldridge/Eaton factor into the GP, as they're 16th on the Season's Best list and 23rd on World Standings / 19th World Seasons Ranking. Would they remain Junior GP?
  15. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Yes, Aldridge/Eaton are returning to the JGP.

    ETA: McNamara/Carpenter were 3rd in Junior Dance at US Nationals and she is now old enough (turned 13 in February) for the JGP.
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    Really puzzled at why Flatt got even one and why they didn't hold back a slot until seeing summer competitions and finding out who has the current skills.

    And really, really puzzled that Armin got dumped, and that the massively underwhelming Ricky got gifted with two assignments. (Or is there some injury to Armin?)

    I'd guess that Denney/Frazier will skate senior at qualifying comps and Nationals, but looks like they're out on the JGP this season, unless they get the TBA at Skate America? I'd rather see them get some GP experience since I think it is entirely possible that they end up on the Worlds team given some of the other teams. Love Castelli/Shnapir, but I don't see them moving ahead until he figures out how to land SBS jumps, and D/F has already got that figured out.

    Puzzled at Farris not going GP; he's got a 3 axel, and has already medaled at JW. Perhaps he decided that 2 JGP + probable JGPF was a lot better than 1 GP.

    Brown makes sense -- he didn't medal at JW, needs to compete with a 3 axel as often as possible, and a likely 2 JGP + probably JGPF gives him plenty of competitive outings. Can he do a Senior B under the new rules?
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  18. Proustable

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    Quick correction: Yankowskas/Reagan have China, not USA.
  19. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I knew that! :shuffle: (ETA: That was kwanfan1818's original error, not mine. ;)) I've edited the correction into my above post.

    See my post #52 above. Armin recently posted a video on youtube of himself landing a quad toe in practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjY4zaWW244

    Denney/Frazier haven't attempted a sbs triple in competition yet, so let's wait and see. I think they will benefit by returning to the JGP and aiming to improve on their results from last year, qualify for the JGP Final, etc.

    Yes, but there are quite a lot of U.S. men who are candidates for a Senior B that don't have any other assignment prospects, so I hope they are considered first.
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  20. Impromptu

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    He got the Bronze medal at Junior Worlds.
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    So what does USFS do with someone like Max Aaron...who has a quad Sal and is now working on 4T? Does he have to do the summer competitions again to earn that 3rd SA spot? Or, is he, like Armin, potentially only going to be sent out to Sr B's??

    Wish the SGP would go back to 12 slots!
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  22. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Stephen Carriere, Keegan Messing and Max Aaron (6th-8th at US Nationals) did Senior B comps last fall (Carriere had two and medalled twice) and it looks like they may be going that route again.

    The Skate America TBA could very well go to Lysacek.
  23. sus2850

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    Thank you, Sylvia, for the info about Armin's ranking in relation to Douglas Razzano. It still does not seem fair to me considering the most recent showing, i.e. nationals. But that does not count here, as i see now (regarding Dornbush for example).

    I also did not quite expect that a returning skater with no season's best/being away 2 seasons can get 2 spots. Not that I mind Johnny getting those, on the contrary, but I somehow thought he would have been only eligible for the host pick. I guess I am just bad at reading rules...

    And I think that Plushenko is not considering the GP at all, he wants real titles.
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    I hope the new ISU regulation that returning skaters have to sign some papers that do not allow those easy withdrawaly any more, will have effect and prevent all that rearranging. And maybe Evan did not want to sign?
  25. Hanna

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    Maybe they'll send her to Finlandia Trophy! I can only hope! :cheer:

    TEB is not looking too bad. :) Could've been better but... well, at least the ladies' field is strong. I think I'm finally going to get to go again this year, wheeeeeee! :cheer:
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    Looks like Alissa really is injured, per Phil's latest tweet. Could definitely explain the one assignment.
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    Wow Alissa has only one assignment? I can see Mirai getting only one sice she's been going downhill for a couple years now.
  28. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    How the heck did Flatt get Skate America over Gracie? Except for Ashley the US Ladies are underwhelming. Shouldn't SA get the best the US has to offer? I would take Agnes over Christina or Rachael.
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    Ah... That makes more sense. That stinks for Paul/Islam. It will be interesting how the GP transpires. I agree there should be a TBD reserved for them in case they bring it in the Summer and perhaps a Senior B. They have skills and a special something that with the right material and good skates could put them in 3rd this year in Canada.
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    Did i read that neither Brown or Farris got a GP assignment?
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    Nor Yan Han. It is a strange world when all jw male medalists all stay jr as they arent getting 2 gps while skaters like Bush and Dmitriev all moved up and nabbed one
  33. aka_gerbil

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    I'm not sure about their picking Rachael, but there is something to be said strategy-wise for NOT having Ashley and Gracie at the same GP's. It's kind of like Skate Canada not having both V/M and W/P.
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    Did Brown and Farris decide to stay on the JGP again? I think that's a big mistake since they needed to get out there a year before the Olympic year. With the US rather average in Mens they could have climbed up the rankings this next season. Other then Abbott all the other Senior Men are lacking at this time. Bown and Farris could have done some damage even next season. Skaters like Rippon and Miner are not the answer.
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    Like I mentioned in the US Ladies thread:

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    Given that Armin didn't get one and he finished 4th at Nationals, :lynch:
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    So who will get the TBA at Skate America in everyone's opinion? Aren't Felicia/Nate next in line as far as Senior Nationals placement? Or will they give it to Denney/Frazier? The technical contact is so much stronger for Z/B, but I guess it will come down to summer comps? Who else is there?
  38. Sylvia

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    I expect Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier to return to the JGP. Felicia Zhang/Nate Bartholomay (8th in Senior Pairs at Nationals) and Kylie Duarte/Colin Grafton (3rd in Junior) are possibilities (and Senior B candidates), depending on how they perform this summer, as well as the pairs with 1 initial GP besides Skate America -- Castelli/Shnapir (5th), Vise/Baldwin (9th), and the new teams of Yankowskas/Reagan and Davis/Ladwig.
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    I would hope Z/B would get a chance, but I could see C/S getting a second spot depending on Indy. I don't think V/B should get two spots based on a particularly horrendous Nationals showing and no real great future for this team based on age and previous GP showings. Unless Y/R and D/L come swinging out of the gate like Denney/Coughlin I don't think they should get two assignments. I don't see them ready in time for SA yet. Duarte/Grafton are very inconsistent and not one of my favorite teams, despite having some great elements, I don't believe they are ready for a GP this year despite a move to Senior. I am sure both Z/B and D/G will get senior B's this year.
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    Yes, they must have made that decision on their own, as they both have 1 GP guaranteed due to SB (Farris 20, Brown 23) and Brown actually was 23 in SB so got a guarantee that way as well (Farris just missed being 26th or something), so if they submitted their names for selection, they would have been in the assignments at least once.

    My guess is they are doing JGP to keep their options open. Though I feel like they each could have probably gotten 2 GPs had they moved up, it's highly unlikely they'd make the GPF, and then post nationals, if they moved up, they'd have to hope to place really high at nationals to get an assignment to 4CC and/or Worlds. New rules don't allow skaters who have competed on the senior GP to return to JW, so even though Farris and Brown are both eligible by age to go to 2 more JWs, they would have to give the chance to compete there up if they did senior GP this season.

    So essentially, if they moved up, they could potentially be looking at 1 GP as their only international event of the season.

    By staying junior, they are most likely going to receive 2 JGP assignments each and earn a trip to the JGPF, and then can be considered for 4CC, senior world, and JW teams after nationals. They are probably aiming to make the 4CC and/or senior world teams, but by staying junior they pretty much have the JW assignment in the bag as a backup plan.

    This season, Farris and Brown were the only 2 men competing as seniors at Nationals that were young enough for JW, and Dolensky and Warren have now aged out. So barring a meltdown from one or both of them or a blinder performance at Nationals from more than one of Chen, Choate, or Yostanto (or some random that comes out of nowhere), they can pretty much bank on being sent to JW next season, and that's if they miss out on 4CC and/or Worlds which IMO they still have a decent shot at considering the state of US men now. US can send 3 men to JW so you'd assume if Farris and Brown don't get a better offer the team will likely be those two and then either Chen or Choate (whoever gets 3a by then probably).

    So I understand where they are coming from. I still wish they'd move up, but they probably didn't want to risk getting only 1 fall senior international and that's it. Also maybe Brown wants to focus on putting the 3a into his programs and Farris the 4t into his programs in a less pressure-filled situation, as PCS alone should give both a good shot to qualify for the JGPF even if they don't skate brilliantly.

    The whole no going to JW after doing the senior GP could also be reason for Vanessa Lam's staying junior as well, though I think she just missed on a guarantee for a GP assignment so maybe she did submit her name after all and just had bad luck.
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