2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Assignments

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  1. jlai

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    And she got that chance every past year since winning nationals, and she has yet to make GPF or have a consistently stellar season. Sometimes leaving skaters at home, or missing out on nationals, isn't such a bad thing. Last time Nagasu missed out on US nationals, she came back the next year winning junior ladies. In her case, the issue is her head, her heart and her fight. If she wants this, she'll fight for it ala Zhang, Czisny (and to a smaller extent, Wagner), who went from outside top six/ten at nationals to being a US elite again .

    I feel for the ladies who may miss out on regionals if Nagasu indeed competes at her pacific regional, but what benefits other skaters shouldn't influence where Nagasu should compete, IMHO.
     
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  2. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    If she isn't a early season skater, isn't it all the better reason for Nagasu to do a 2nd GP instead of going to Sectionals? If she bombs at that GP, there's that, but she still gets to go to Nationals. If she bombs at Sectionals, she doesn't go to Nationals.

    FWIW, she has been left off the world team for 2 consecutive seasons and I don't see her any more motivated from within than before.
     
  3. jlai

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    If she isn't any more motivated then I don't think it matters whether she gets a second gp. eta: Nagasu won't have to do Pacific Coast sectional, btw. Just regional which she should be just fine (That regional, the qualifiers are probably Lam, Hicks, Keiser, and Nagasu in any order, and that is only if none gets a bye for doing another event)

    ETA: re: MW sectionals. That does look to be a tough field, and I hope a skater makes JGPF
     
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  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    jlai, I've replied to your post in the U.S. Ladies thread in the Trash Can (since it's off-topic here :)): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3656659#post3656659

    ETA the direct links to the GP roster tables by discipline:
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsladies.htm
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsmen.htm
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpspairs.htm
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsdance.htm
     
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  5. smarts1

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    Nagasu's situation still is somewhat different from the other skaters mentioned. Although she tanked at nationals last year, her skates early in the season weren't horrendous. She medaled at TEB and I suspect TEB officials chose Gao over Nagasu becuase Nagasu is a better medal conteder/better skater and they don't want to hurt their ladies. Nagasu still skated much better than Gao the whole season (excluding Nationals) IMO. Gao has been to Junior Worlds three years in a row and still hasn't received a medal, while her less consistent teammate, Agnes has medalled twice.
     
  6. jlai

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    People were complaining how skaters who were top 5 at nationals dont get a gp, and now that Gao gets one ahead of a 7th place finisher at naitonals, people complain too. ;)
     
  7. toddlj

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    I can't imagine Czisny will be ready for her GP (NHK), perhaps Nagasu will get that one. She's popular in Japan.
     
  8. kwanfan1818

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    GP spots, apart from host spots, have nothing to do with Nationals results (see Dornbush). I'm annoyed that unless Team Nagasu/USFS turned down the spot, the GP Announcement rules are worth less than toilet paper, which is, at least, useful.
     
  9. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    This.

    And this.
     
  10. jlai

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    I know that, but there will be complaints regardless of who is sent (ie see complaints re: Armin not being sent)

    ISU doesnt follow its rules, we know that already. :)
     
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  11. NMURA

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    Yes, that's the most likely case. French federation might have considered that.
     
  12. b-man

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    Well last year, her skate at SC was pretty bad, very tentative, 5th in the SP and 5th in the LP for a 151 score, yet only a week later at CoC, she was 2nd in both SP and LP with a 173 score behind only Kostner. Went up 20+ points in a week. Her silver medal at TEB was in the 2010-11 season.
     
  13. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    But they had no right to consider that. :confused: According to the rules anyway.
     
  14. NMURA

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    What rule? The French federation can ignore Nagasu if they want a relatively weak field. Any rules issued from the ISU are just guidelines, not mandatory. I'd like to see Nagasu at NHK trophy. So I shall welcome their consideration.

    IF the French federation had chosen Phaneuf as a replacement. Do you think anyone (from the ISU or other federations) protests their decision? I don't think so. In the case of GPS, the host federations always have their choices and they are respected.
     
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  15. Tammi

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    Since Zijun Li has been removed, maybe it was simply a data entry mistake (kind of like when the ISU recently added Katarina KNEZEVIC to the Skate America roster). Or maybe someone at USFS challenged the choice based on their interpretation of the replacement rules:

    The alternate list needs to be worked through in ranking order for the top 24 ranked skaters/couples according to their Season’s Best. All skaters/couples of the alternate list will be grouped in top ranked groups of five (5) skaters, out of which the respective Organizing Member may pick one skater/couple for invitation.

    I'm not a lawyer and I've never played one on TV, but it does sound like the second sentence is meant to start with #25 on the seasons best list. Otherwise, then the second sentence nullifies the first and the mention of top 24 being worked through in ranked order wouldn't even need to be there. Seems that the host pick for the LOC is much looser than last season, but still some definite rules for replacements.
     
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  16. jlai

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    I think when the dust settles, Nagasu will probably get another assignment, whether it's another GP or senior B. It's probably too early to say Nagasu is robbed of an assignment.

    I wish Nagasu were assigned to SA (for my own selfish reasons :) ), but then USFS has assigned two 5th place nationals finishers to SA (Razzano and Gao), and it is probably good to spread the wealth around.
     
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    I know, and it makes me feel bek-ish that bothers me :lol:
     
  18. Ziggy

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    Honestly. :mad:
     
  19. Pikachuusb

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    Im not going to go on, as I agree with most people. I think its ridiculous that we are even having to have this discussion. Mirai should have been given a 2nd Grand Prix at this point. I know that no one likes to follow rules, but they are there for a reason. I hope she is given one soon.
     
  20. Hedwig

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    Like others pointed out: According to the ISU rules, Nagasu should have been chosen.

    In the past they had more leeway and it lead to weak fields and host countries doing each others favours. Therefore, other rules had been in place.

    Even if Mirai still gets another GP I am still pissed that the rules are not followed.

    If they had chose Phaneuf, I would have protested even more.
     
  21. SamuraiK

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    So any guesses for the two open spots in SC and NHK due to Marley/Brubaker split??

    Next 5 in line from the SB list (not counting teams doing JGP):

    Vise & Baldwin (already at Skate Canada)
    James & CIpres (likely will get the TBA at TEB)
    Gerboldt & Enbert (already at Skate Canada)
    Hausch & Wende
    Steele & Schultz (are they still together???)

    MY guess is H&W will get Skate Canada and Gerboldt&Enbert willl get NHK Trophy.
     
  22. kwanfan1818

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    You mean if the host feds follow the "suggestions" in the GP Announcement?
     
  23. NMURA

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    What FSU folks "pointed out" doesn't matter. The ISU and host federations decide. As long as there's no penalty for not following "rules", they are just guidelines. Some FSU folks pointed out that the Japanese and French federations didn't follow the GP assignment rules for men, but "rules" themselves have changed instead.
     
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    Of course, the ISU GP rules are a hot mess, thats for sure. But they are still chosing from the next 5 in line (Li was the exception thank to 3 russian ladies already booked at TEB, the rules are allowing Nagasu being left out so far so Im not wuzrobbing her yet )

    Anyway, I just want Gerboldt & Enbert to get their 2nd event right now so the RUS fed has no choise but to give Martiusheva & Rogonov the TBA at Cup of Russia.:D
     
  25. PinkFeathers

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    If Plushenko is doing a show in St Petersburg on the 7th, does that take him out of the running for the CoR TBA?

    I would think it would, but who knows with anything about this season at this point :slinkaway
     
  26. euterpe

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    Due to the announced MARLEY / BRUBAKER split, there are now two open slots: SC and NHK. Who's on top of the subs list?
     
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    Doesn't CoR competition start on the 9th? Everything is possible!
     
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    What section in the GP announcement allows the French Fed to bypass 1. the top-ranked Ladies skater in the Top 24 and 2. an eligible Ladies skater in the first group of five -- i.e., not already assigned; no three US Ladies already assigned -- to select a skater from the second group of five?
     
  30. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    I don't know when the GP Ladies PDF update was published but the latest version dated August 10 does include Gao's name with the "(new)" designation for TEB.

    Evan Lysacek's name was added to the GP Men PDF today (August 15) for Skate America - ditto for Castelli/Shnapir in the GP Pairs PDF (Marley/Brubaker's names have been crossed out :(), and Cannuscio/McManus in the Dance PDF.
     
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