2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Assignments

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    France still has a Pairs TBA for TEB, so it's likely that James/Cipres will end up filling that slot?

    TBA host spots:
    Skate America: filled today by Lysacek, Castelli/Shnapir, Anastasia Cannuscio/Colin McManus
    Skate Canada: men, ladies, pairs
    Cup of China: men, ladies, dance
    Rostelecom Cup: men, ladies, pairs
    TEB: men, ladies, pairs, dance
    NHK: none
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    Last season, all of the host TBA's except France's were on the rosters by 2 September. (France announced in October.) This season, the deadline for confirming the original rosters was 1 August, two weeks earlier than last season. I'm not sure if this will impact the TBA announcements across the board, but from USFS' announcement, I'm guessing the unpublished deadline has been moved closer.
  3. crankyintheAM

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    I kinda wanted Zijun to have 2 GPs, why would she turn it down?

    I hope Mirai gets TEB. I'm not sure how I feel about her anymore, except I don't want to write her off already.
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    I think the TBA spot of COC is for Zijun,but Kostner didn't compete make her take TEB.you know,Zijun is the most popular skater in china,much popular than other two girls,COC would like to have her to attract more audience.Don't know if she can have the spot after she take down TEB offer...
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    I suppose that would depend on the explanation the Chinese Fed gave the ISU. IF they told ISU that the Zijun had been assigned Coc and therefore cannot do TEB .... but I am surprised that her name wasn't simultaneously added to Coc
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    Two more dance teams to fill GP. Is it possible that Chock/Bates might be on the top list to fill one of these spots which made them not being picked for SA? I was surprised that they were not picked despite doing well at LP, beat the other team. Not sure what was the strategy behind it.
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    Those two spots are HOST spots (more likely Yu/Wang and Zahorski/Miart), so unless a team withdraws previously enough to be replaced C&B will only have 1 event this year.
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    And unfair to us because Mirai is much more exciting. :( (in my opinion ;) )
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    C/B already on list for China, so the only possibility for them is TEB, right?
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    If they went through Li and Gao, I would think that Nagasu turned down the pick possibly? I'm not entirely sure - yes, the French fed would certainly want to make it easier for their skaters but with or without Nagasu it's already a relatively difficult field.
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    Gao has two GP events? Mirai even though she's struggled the last year or two has done much better then Christina has on the GP and still has more potential.
  13. euterpe

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    IMO, Gao got it over Nagasu because Gao is less competition for the French ladies.
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    Well, duh, but according to their own policies, which were created to avoid diluted fields, Nagasu should have had the spot, unless it was declined.
  15. SamuraiK

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    Not quite. That TEB is a HOST spot, more than likely reserved for Zahorski & Miart. If the French decide not to use it on their own teams they could chose any of the top 5 from the substitute list but I dont think thats gonna hapen.
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    Sorry, didn't see the quote.
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    I really think Mirai's team probably turned it down. Mirai has never been an early season skater and she has little to gain in getting a second event, as she is unlikely to get on GPF and the judges have already proven they're willing to give her good scores when she does well.

    Also since she finished outside of the top 5 last year, doesn't she have to go through qualifying now to get to Nationals? Basically if she did TEB, she would end up having to do three competitions in three weeks (Cup of China Nov. 2-4; Pacific Coast Sectionals Nov. 9-13; TEB Nov. 16-18). Although she could get a bye if she did TEB, yes?

    Hi, new poster and long-time lurker. (And yes, I'm the same Mrs. P from GS.)

    ETA: Sectionals, not regionals.
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  18. Tammi

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    Based on the event dates for Cup of China, she would most likely have to compete at Regionals, but get a bye out of Sectionals (I think you probably meant Sectionals in your post).
  19. Sylvia

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    As of right now, Nagasu is scheduled to compete at her Regional Championships (Southwest Pacific, Oct. 12-16) but should have a bye through the Pacific Coast Sectional Championships to Nationals due to Cup of China being the week before.

    I doubt Nagasu and her team would decline a 2nd GP assignment and think it's more likely that the French federation just elected not to choose her.

    ETA: Rachael Flatt's Skate America assignment should get her out of her Regionals but it currently appears she will have to compete at Sectionals in order to qualify for Nationals.
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  20. RD

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    Oh....so she plans to compete at Nationals this year? I thought she was done.
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    I doubt USFS would have chosen her for SA if she weren't intending to compete this year in the US qualifying season.
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    Rachael has never indicated any intention of hanging up her competitive skates. It's her non-fans who have declared her retired.
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    And there are already 3 Russian ladies there, so the 3 Russian ladies who each only have 1 assignment but all have higher SB scores than Gao (Shelepen, Biryukova, and Korobeynikova) couldn't be sent. So it was down to Gao or Nagasu and Gao was picked, like you mentioned because it is more likely Silete and Meite can beat her than Nagasu.
  24. Jarrett

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    I think we should blame the USFSA for Mirai being in this situation at all. USFSA thought they were working the system and Mirai would be a no brainer to be picked up as a replacement. I guess they didn't consider the other feds would play ball too.

    (Of course you could say Mirai messed up at Nationals and that is her own fault but that story have been beaten to death.)
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    actually I don't think skaters doing regional/sectional instead of GP is a bad thing. Last two seasons, a skater who had to do just that had a breakthrough season (Czisny and then Zhang. ETA: Also Carriere)
  27. mgobluegirl

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    For me, it's more that it's nice for other skaters to have a chance to get to nationals. Skaters like Czisny, Zhang, Nagasu or Flatt should have no trouble getting through regionals/sectionals, but it means that one fewer skater gets the chance to compete. And Midwesterns, at least, is shaping up to be potentially pretty deep in senior ladies this year (Flatt, Bereswill, Gilles, Dobbs, Baga, Jiang, Miller, Dinh, Cain, and Morgan Bell could each potentially be there).
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    ITA. there are a lot of skaters i love who might not make it out of mids and especially out of pacific coast sectionals this coming season. i so wish they could all be at nationals. that's why i'm crossing my fingers for keiser, wang, lam and hicks to all make JGPF! oh, and miller and cain as well... :lol:
  29. Marco

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    Except in Nagasu's case

    if she skates well at GP: she loses a chance to get ISU points, some prize money, a GP medal and a GPF berth.

    if she skates poorly at sectionals: she doesn't qualify for Nationals
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    Not to mention missing out on another chance to build reputation if she's skating well consistently.
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    And she got that chance every past year since winning nationals, and she has yet to make GPF or have a consistently stellar season. Sometimes leaving skaters at home, or missing out on nationals, isn't such a bad thing. Last time Nagasu missed out on US nationals, she came back the next year winning junior ladies. In her case, the issue is her head, her heart and her fight. If she wants this, she'll fight for it ala Zhang, Czisny (and to a smaller extent, Wagner), who went from outside top six/ten at nationals to being a US elite again .

    I feel for the ladies who may miss out on regionals if Nagasu indeed competes at her pacific regional, but what benefits other skaters shouldn't influence where Nagasu should compete, IMHO.
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  32. Marco

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    If she isn't a early season skater, isn't it all the better reason for Nagasu to do a 2nd GP instead of going to Sectionals? If she bombs at that GP, there's that, but she still gets to go to Nationals. If she bombs at Sectionals, she doesn't go to Nationals.

    FWIW, she has been left off the world team for 2 consecutive seasons and I don't see her any more motivated from within than before.
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    If she isn't any more motivated then I don't think it matters whether she gets a second gp. eta: Nagasu won't have to do Pacific Coast sectional, btw. Just regional which she should be just fine (That regional, the qualifiers are probably Lam, Hicks, Keiser, and Nagasu in any order, and that is only if none gets a bye for doing another event)

    ETA: re: MW sectionals. That does look to be a tough field, and I hope a skater makes JGPF
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  34. Sylvia

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    jlai, I've replied to your post in the U.S. Ladies thread in the Trash Can (since it's off-topic here :)): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3656659#post3656659

    ETA the direct links to the GP roster tables by discipline:
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsladies.htm
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsmen.htm
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpspairs.htm
    http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2012/gpsdance.htm
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  35. smarts1

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    Nagasu's situation still is somewhat different from the other skaters mentioned. Although she tanked at nationals last year, her skates early in the season weren't horrendous. She medaled at TEB and I suspect TEB officials chose Gao over Nagasu becuase Nagasu is a better medal conteder/better skater and they don't want to hurt their ladies. Nagasu still skated much better than Gao the whole season (excluding Nationals) IMO. Gao has been to Junior Worlds three years in a row and still hasn't received a medal, while her less consistent teammate, Agnes has medalled twice.
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    People were complaining how skaters who were top 5 at nationals dont get a gp, and now that Gao gets one ahead of a 7th place finisher at naitonals, people complain too. ;)
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    I can't imagine Czisny will be ready for her GP (NHK), perhaps Nagasu will get that one. She's popular in Japan.
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    GP spots, apart from host spots, have nothing to do with Nationals results (see Dornbush). I'm annoyed that unless Team Nagasu/USFS turned down the spot, the GP Announcement rules are worth less than toilet paper, which is, at least, useful.
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    This.

    And this.
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    I know that, but there will be complaints regardless of who is sent (ie see complaints re: Armin not being sent)

    ISU doesnt follow its rules, we know that already. :)
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