2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Assignments

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Well Czisny probably won't accept a replacement due to her surgery.

    I guess Biryukova and Korobeynikova would be the weakest here but then Nagasu and Korpi are both the kind of names that could draw skating fans in.

    And well you'd want Kiira just so you could use her pictures in your promotional materials. ;)
     
  2. haribobo

    haribobo Well-Known Member

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    Men with 1 spot-

    Sergei Voronov SB 25
    Jorik Hendrickx SB 28
    Andrei Rogozine SB 29
    Artur Dmitriev SB 30
    Jinlin Guan SB 31
    Zhan Bush SB 32
    Konstantin Menshov SB 33
    Daisuke Murakami SB 36
    Alexander Majorov SB 37
    Douglas Razzano SB 38
    Liam Firus SB 40

    No Spots and not JGP

    Misha Ge SB 31
    Armin Mahbanoozadeh SB 41
    Brandon Mroz SB 42
    Peter Liebers SB 43
     
  3. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    I can live perfectly without seeing Mroz and the GP but I really hope the other three still get a spot. Especially Ge and Liebers as being the only ones from their country and thereby providing national diversity.
     
  4. Lara

    Lara Well-Known Member

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    Fourth place at US Nats should not be sitting at home without a GP spot, and I don't care if you find Armin boring. :p He should have been allowed a chance to gain points at 4CC. :(
     
  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    I posted the following earlier in this thread (have since added some extra info):

    From the ISU's bulletin on the 2012-13 Grand Prix: http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/...3,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1066
    MEN
    1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
    25 Sergei Voronov RUS (NHK)
    28 Jorik Hendrickx BEL (TEB; #27 in World Standings)
    29 Andrei Rogozine CAN (NHK; #33 in WS)
    30 Artur Dmitriev RUS (Cup of China; #37 in WS)
    31(tie) Jinlin Guan CHN (Cup of China host pick)
    32 Zhan Bush RUS (Rostelecom Cup host pick)
    33 Konstantin Menshov RUS (Skate America; #21 in WS)
    36 Daisuke Murakami JPN (NHK host pick)
    37 Alexander Majorov SWE (Skate America; #15 in WS)
    38 Douglas Razzano USA (Skate America host pick)
    40 Liam Firus CAN (Skate Canada host pick)

    No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, all JGP age-eligible men removed):
    3 Evgeni Plushenko RUS (Rostelecom Cup's TBA?)
    31(tie) Misha Ge UZB
    41 Armin Mahbanoozadeh USA
    42 Brandon Mroz USA
    43 Peter Liebers GER
    44 Christopher Caluza PHI
    46 Viktor Pfeifer AUT
    47 Jialiang Wu CHN
    48 Chafik Besseghier FRA
    49 Kim Lucine MON
    50 Gordei Gorshkov RUS
    51 Zoltan Kelemen ROU
    53 Timothy Dolensky USA
    56 Paolo Bacchini ITA
    57 Ryuichi Kihara JPN
    59 Jiaxing Liu CHN
    61 Paul Fentz GER
    63 Javier Raya ESP
    65 Maciej Cieplucha POL
    66 Philip Warren USA
    77 Romain Ponsart FRA
    [Cut-off (159.66) is above #78 Jeremy Ten CAN 159.22]

    No SB score from 2011-12: Evan Lysacek USA - status still unknown (Skate America TBA?)

    LADIES
    1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
    8 Alissa Czisny USA (NHK; #4 in World Standings; currently recovering from surgery on 6/6)
    11 Mirai Nagasu USA (Cup of China; #13 in WS)
    14 Kiira Korpi FIN (Rostelecom Cup; #5 in WS)
    15 Sofia Biryukova RUS (NHK)
    17 Polina Korobeynikova RUS (TEB)
    18 Kexin Zhang CHN (Cup of China host pick, guaranteed 1)
    19 Polina Shelepen RUS (NHK; #23 in WS)
    24 Zijun Li CHN (NHK; #20 in WS)
    30 Christina Gao USA (Skate America host pick)
    35 Amelie Lacoste CAN (Skate Canada host pick, #21 in WS)
    37 Joshi Helgesson SWE (Cup of China; #17 in WS)
    38 Rachael Flatt USA (Skate America host pick)
    41 Kaetlyn Osmond CAN (Skate Canada host pick)
    42 Mae Berenice Meite FRA (Skate America; #15 in WS)
    47 Bingwa Geng CHN (Cup of China host pick)
    62 Sarah Hecken GER (Skate America; #24 in WS)
    69 Lena Marrocco FRA (TEB host pick)

    No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, JGP age-eligible ladies removed except for 1):
    39 Cynthia Phaneuf CAN (#25 in WS)
    44 Elena Glebova EST
    46 Jenna McCorkell GBR
    50 Sonia Lafuente ESP (#27 in WS)
    51 Joelle Forte USA
    53 Natalia Popova UKR (#31 in WS)
    60 Yuki Nishino JPN (#28 in WS)
    63 Min-Jeong Kwak KOR (ISU Junior age-eligible 1 more season)
    65 Isabelle Olsson SWE
    66 Adriana DeSanctis CAN
    68 Kate Charbonneau CAN
    70 Kerstin Frank AUT

    [I went down to #75 on the Ladies' SB scores list. Cut-off for the ladies' GP minimum score (113.43) is #98 Isabelle Drescher GER & above.]

    PAIRS
    1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
    20 Vise/Baldwin USA (Skate Canada)
    26 Castelli/Shnapir USA (NHK)
    27 Gerboldt/Enbert RUS (Skate Canada)
    28 Hausch/Wende GER (Rostelecom Cup)
    35 Popova/Massot FRA (TEB host pick)
    38 Kemp/King GBR (Skate America)
    -- Peng/Zhang CHN (split couple; Cup of China host pick)
    -- Yankowskas/Reagan USA (split couple; Cup of China)
    -- Davis/Ladwig USA (split couple; NHK)
    -- Donlan/Speroff USA (Skate America host pick)

    No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, confirmed split & JGP age-eligible pairs removed):
    29 Dong/Wu CHN - split?
    33 Steele/Schultz CAN
    34 Zhang/Wang CHN - split?
    40 Della Monica/Guarise ITA
    43 Duarte/Grafton USA
    51 Bakirova/Kamianchuk BLR
    [Cut-off (120.90) is above #53 Montalbano/Krasnopolski ISR 120.32]

    1 TBA pair slot open at: Skate America, Skate Canada, Rostelecom Cup, TEB.

    Order of GP events in fall of 2012 is: Skate America, Skate Canada, Cup of China, Rostelecom Cup, TEB, NHK Trophy.
     
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  6. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    I really hope Misha Ge gets a spot. I feel very badly Armin doesn't have one (honestly, that is a travesty), but Ge is amazing too- and the only skater from his country. How can federations grow programs if they can't even send out the skaters they have? (I'm surprised Caluza isn't on there either.)

    I'm surprised Mroz doesn't have one, but his skating isn't too exciting to me, so eh. There are a lot of Americans out there.


    Why did the GP reduce the number of spots. What a mistake.
     
  7. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    Nationals does not play into the GP selection process. Skaters are chosen from the SB list and their world standing not by how they placed at their Nationals.
     
  8. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Lara's point (and mine earlier) was that Armin Mahbanoozadeh's 4th place finish at US Nationals should have earned him at least the men's 1st alternate spot to 4CC. Dornbush ended up going as the 1st alternate instead (he did not raise his SB score from Cup of China at 4CC), and so Mahbanoozadeh missed out on the opportunity to raise his ISU SB score (he was skating much better following the GP season after he moved his training base to Colorado Springs to prepare for Nationals).
     
  9. Hedwig

    Hedwig Rarely here anymore but I try to be better!

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    ah okay, sorry, I assumed because so many seem to believe that the federation has a say in this (well, a bigger say than they do)
     
  10. jlai

    jlai Title-less

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    USFSA had somehow managed in the past to get a GP for their top 5 at nationals. This is the first year the fed won't be able to do so, mainly because of reduced entries, a couple of poor strategies (4cc assignment), and probably the return of Evan (who will likely take up the TBA at SA)
     
  11. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Also, the host Feds do have control over their spots, and USFS didn't use one of their assignments for Mahbanoozadeh, although it's still possible for him to get the remaining TBA.
     
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  12. icellist

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    Kexin Zhang was top 10 at worlds and guaranteed 2 spots already. I think she is also at TEB
     
  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  14. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Dream on. ;)
     
  15. SkateFan66

    SkateFan66 Active Member

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    Agree. Gachinski finished 2nd at Russian Nationals in 2011 and 2012. Compare that to Jason who finished 9th at US Nationals in 2011 and 2012; and Joshua who finished 21st at 2011 US Nationals and 16th at 2012 Nationals.
     
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    And finally...

    ICE DANCE
    1 GP assignment received (listed in order of ISU SB score ranking):
    18 Tobias/Stagnunias LTU (Skate America)
    20 Chock/Bates USA (Cup of China)
    21 Orford/Williams CAN (NHK; on 6/6/12 they were named to Rostelecom Cup off the alternate list)
    22 Alessandrini/Vaturi ITA (Skate America)
    23 Zlobina/Sitnikov AZE (Skate Canada)
    25 Ralph/Hill CAN (Skate Canada host pick)
    29 Guignard/Fabbri ITA (Cup of China)
    32 Pushkash/Guerreiro RUS (TEB)
    34 Kriengkrairut/Giulietti-Schmitt USA (Skate America host pick)
    39 Reed/Reed JPN (NHK host pick)
    50 Yu/Wang CHN (NHK)

    No initial GP assignment (in order of ISU SB score ranking, all known split & JGP age-eligible teams removed):
    30 Heekin-Canedy/Dun UKR
    33 Shtork/Rand EST
    40 Hurtado/Diaz ESP
    43 Walden/Edwards GBR
    45 Gorshkova/Butikov RUS
    47 Paul/Islam CAN
    55 Nagy/Fejes HUN
    58 Kubova/Kiselev CZE
    59 Pecherkina/Jakushin LAT
    60 O'Brien/Merriman AUS
    62 Mysliveckova/Brown CZE
    [GP minimum score cut-off for dance (109.59) #66 & above on SB list]

    1 Dance TBA: Skate America, Cup of China (Yu/Wang as host pick?), TEB (perhaps Zahorski/Miart FRA as host pick?)

    ETA: See SUN's post below re. Vanessa Crone and the "Split Couples" provision.
     
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  17. SUN

    SUN New Member

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    The first on the alternates list for dance were Vanessa Crone with the newpartner with her season best with the previous partner.
     
  18. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Thanks for the reminder! (even though Crone is partnerless at the moment)

    Are my men's/ladies'/pairs' lists accurate on the previous page?

    ETA:
    Where do the 'Split Couples' with 1 initial GP assignment fit in? 3 'Split Couple' pairs -- Peng/Zhang CHN, Yankowskas/Reagan USA, and Davis/Ladwig USA -- received 1 GP each. Are they currently at the top of the pairs alternate list or below the other pairs that have 1 initial GP assignment and a Season Best score from last season?
     
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  19. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    In last year's announcement in the "Replacements" section (7.6), the second bullet point was:

    Since they've been moved to initial selections, are they even on the alternates list anymore?

    If so, and "points" are SB scores, which wasn't clarified in last year's announcement -- even though they compare scores across seasons, where there different rules for programs and levels and different base values -- then for Pairs,

    • Peng/Zhang inherit Zhang/Zhang's 182.54 from 2011/12 GPF.
    • Yankowskas/Reagan inherit Yankowskas/Coughlin's 175.94 from 2011 World Championships.
    • Davis/Ladwig inherit Evora/Ladwig's 170.63 from Cup of China 2011, which is both their latest and highest score of the last two seasons.

    It's possible that other couples could be added, although it's surely too late for Vanessa Crone for this season after the split with Sorensen. The only split couple for dance (Gilles/Poirier) already has two for the year. There's so much conflicting language in last year's GP announcement about when the split couples need to have made Top 12 Worlds -- current season, last two seasons, no limit -- that if it is limited to the last two seasons, then Crone will be SOL for 2013 GP without a host pick, if she finds a partner. (She might also team up this season and somehow get a 4C's berth to earn a SB on her team's own.)

    ETA:

    Those inherited scores would put all three Pairs split couples ahead of Vise/Baldwin (155.42 at 2011 SA), and would make V/B and James/Cipres the last two teams in the top 5 SB.
     
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  20. SUN

    SUN New Member

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    Newly formed pairs/couples are on the list according to their SB with the previous partners.
     
  21. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Oops, I left James/Cipres off my earlier list, probably assuming they would end up as France's TBA host pick for TEB. Thanks, SUN and kwanfan1818!

    PAIRS - PROJECTED ALTERNATE LIST (revised; based on 2011-12 ISU SB total score rankings)
    Yankowskas/Reagan USA (split couple; Cup of China)
    Davis/Ladwig USA (split couple; NHK)
    20 Vise/Baldwin USA (Skate Canada)
    24 James/Cipres FRA (Skate America; could be TEB host pick?)
    26 Castelli/Shnapir USA (NHK)
    27 Gerboldt/Enbert RUS (Skate Canada)
    28 Hausch/Wende GER (Rostelecom Cup)
    29 Dong/Wu CHN - split?
    33 Steele/Schultz CAN
    34 Zhang/Wang CHN - split?
    35 Popova/Massot FRA (TEB host pick)
    38 Kemp/King GBR (Skate America)
    40 Della Monica/Guarise ITA
    43 Duarte/Grafton USA
    51 Bakirova/Kamianchuk BLR
    [Cut-off (120.90) is above #53 Montalbano/Krasnopolski ISR 120.32]
    -- Donlan/Speroff USA (Skate America host pick)

    1 TBA pair slot open at: Skate America, Skate Canada, Rostelecom Cup (I hope Martiusheva/Rogonov are in the running), TEB.
     
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  22. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    I apologize -- Peng/Zhang already got two: host pick for CoC and TEB, and the top five include Castelli/Snapir. There was a report that Peng was hurt: I hope she's healed and up-to-speed by CoC.
     
  23. euterpe

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    Since Lipnitskaia is now ineligible for the GP with the minimum rule change, who will get her assignments (CoC and TEB)?
     
  24. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Looks like Julia Lipnitskaia CAN compete in the Senior Grand Prix after all - reposting from the ISU Congress thread:
    Lipnitskaia's photo caption in the article seems to confirm this.
     
  25. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Nagasu and Korpi would be the likely replacements being top of the list but Gorshkov has now said that the age changes aren't effective until 2014 (link in congress thread) so Julia should be fine.
     
  26. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    Bad move i say. Never made sense to have one age limit for the Senior GP and a different age limit for Worlds and Olympics. This BS from the ISU about protecting the young skaters from going Senior to soon and pushing themselves is just nonsense. How exactly is it protecting someone like Julia who will 14 from injury by skating against the Senior ladies? She will be required to skate longer and do more triples. Same when Caroline Zhang skated back in 2007. Yet the ISU says no no no you're to young to skate at Worlds or the Olympics. Tell me what is the different skating against the same Ladies on the GP with the same programs? The ISU has been hypocritical allowing this. The age limit should always have been the same for any Senior event not counting Nationals and that would be 15.
     
  27. Macassar88

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    In my opinion, there should only be an upper limit for Juniors. F a skater is ready, they should be allowed to move up. But once a skater moves up they shouldn't be allowed to move back down.
    I know there is reasoning that skater bodies should be preserved but in practice that doesn't work. Mao was doing triple axels at 12 and Tuktamisheva was doing them at 13. Miki was doing quads in the junior circuit as well.
     
  28. demetriosj

    demetriosj Well-Known Member

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    Why 15? Why not 13? 14?, 16? Isn't 15 just an arbitrary age anyway?
     
  29. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Arbitrary doesn't mean inconsistent.
     
  30. demetriosj

    demetriosj Well-Known Member

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    No, arbitrary does not mean inconsistent....

    OK, Why is 15 the chosen age for Seniors? Who decided this? & why?
     
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