Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, May 21, 2012.
Cup of China
Kiira KORPI IN
Seems like Carolina Kostner is out of the GP series. Why, what happened?
management told in an italian interview, she would bestead her boyfriend alex schwarzer in his bad time (positive doping test).
despite that she resumed training not berfore july, so she will not be in form for the early competition. kostners first appearance should be the italian championships in december, afther that euros and worlds.
Zijun Li has just replaced Kostner at TEB. I assume she will also get the TBA at CoC.
Zijun won't be at CoC, though since she's already assigned to NHK along with TEB.
A little surprised that Zijun got the spot, since she wasn't in the top 5 of last year's SB. Was hoping that Mirai would get it, with this year's programs she might have a legit shot at the GPF
What's the strategy from the French Fed? Be nice to the Chinese so that they return the favors? Getting a softer field? They could care less about paying ticket holders who would rather see a stronger skater!!!!!
How in the heck did Li get that assignment?
See the sentence I bolded above - Zijun Li is #24 on the Season Best list: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3588715&postcount=335
Host country politics. Am starting to wonder if China will really give a third lady the CoC spot of if they take one of the French instead
This is why it didn't apply to the Men: they were 25 or below in SB. However, the exact order among the Ladies was:
8 Czisny -- assumed passed due to injury, then
11 Nagasu -- couldn't do CoC, but could have done TEB two weeks later
14 Korpi -- assigned to CoC, with initial assignment at CoR the following week
16 Biryukova -- initial assignment NHK the following week
17 Korobeyikova -- already assigned to TEB
19 Shelepen -- initial assignment NHK the following week
The language of the GP Announcement said that they created groups of five: the only way that Li should have been considered is if 1. As soon as Korpi was chosen, Li moved into the group of five as the next one (24) on the list, and they aren't going by strict groups of five, perhaps in general or perhaps only among the Top 24, or 2. The Russian Fed and USFS passed on behalf of their skaters, and then they went to Group 2 of five, where the Top 24 skaters had to be picked first.
Li, like Biryukova and Shelpen, was already assigned to NHK, so it's not as if the ISU automatically passed on skaters who would have back-to-back assignments and had to travel from Europe to Asia or vice versa, and they allowed China to choose Korpi to do China->Russia, when Russia->France ->Finland would have been a more reasonable competition schedule.
Can we just accept they are chosing their susbtitutes as they please ignoring all their convoluted regulations?? It's better that way
Plus the feds have shown more than once they don't really care about the skater invited having another event the previous or following week.
that's not fair... TEB annually produces the strongest ladies field on the GP.
Now will CHINA give their TBA spot to a chinese lady (Quiuying Zhu probably) or chose a foreign skater instead (hopefully Biryukova/Korobeynikova/Shelepen).
It used to be the case when the French ladies had no chance whatsoever. Now, that Meite and Silete can actually land jumps and hope for a decent placement, the field is getting softer.
Not a ticket-holder here, but I think Li is an exciting young skater, and I'd much rather see her than, say, Shelepen. Or Biryukova.
I can't understand why Chinese federation didn't give the TBA spot at CoC to Zijun.
Traveling from China to Paris and again flying back to Japan in two weeks is really tight and demanding schedule.
I hope Zijun get over this and make a successful debut at GPS.
Is it really that much further to travel to Japan than to Shanghai from Beijing where she trains?
Yay for Li Zijun having 2 assignments! Zhang Kexin also has two, right?
Zhang was guaranteed two by placing top 12 at Worlds.
To keep their TBA spot for another skater (who would be unable to get a GP spot otherwise - like Quiying Zhu).
TEB couldn't go to a Russian lady, they already have 3 of them: Polina KOROBEYNIKOVA RUS -Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS -Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS and China may save their spot to another chinese
You're right -- I was looking in the wrong column when counting up Russian Ladies. The French Fed would have had to go to the next group of five, and Li is the only Ladies skater in the Top 24 in the second group of five (Li, Gao, Lacoste, J. Helgesson, Flatt*)
*Hae-Jin Kim is staying Jr., yes? If not, then she's in the group and Flatt is in Group 3.
Now Zijun's name disappears from TEB (The issued date of the list is August 9).
And no replacement and the number of the competitors is 9.
Zijun turned down the offer from TEB?
I think it would be much better for her to compete at CoC.
My money is on Lacoste. Nice skater but struggling with the jumps lately. Perfect for a softer field....and she speaks French!
Lysacek will get the TBA spot at SA. He announced his comeback on the Today Show. (See other EL thread here in GSD)
Yes, she is going to JGP this year.
Can't wait to see the duel between Lysacek and Abbott at Skate America this year.
In addition to Lysacek, the other 2 Skate America TBA slots have been filled by Marissa Castelli/Simon Shnapir (their 2nd GP) and Anastasia Cannuscio/Colin McManus (their first-ever Grand Prix!):
I wonder if C/S's LP at Indy cemented the USFSA's decision for the TBA spot. But, weren't C/S high on the substitute list for another slot? If so, I think it would've been more strategic to give SA to someone like Z/B or S/K ...
Mirai still has a chance!
Zijun must have turned down the TEB offer for sure.. Now the question is, can you turn down an invitation and still get your host spot (COC) later???
So Next 5 Ladies to chose for TEB are:
NO russian ladies cause there are already 3 entered.
No Grand Prix for Armin? I was so hopeful!
Why does USFS continue to favour Castelli/Shnapir (who've been given many opportunities already) when they have so many exciting new teams making a mark during the summer comps? :/
It seems Mirai would be a no-brainer at this point. Not only is she by far the highest on the list of substitutes, but she's been a medalist at TEB, and the trip to Paris would be relatively simple
Nagasu should have had the TEB spot originally, as the only one in the first group of five who wasn't assigned (Korpi) or ineligible (three Russian Ladies already), and in the Top 24.
But, then again, this is the organization that accepted more Chinese pairs entries than had earned spots.
He has a chronic problem with SBS jumps. He's the American version of Stanislav Morozov and I'm getting doubtful that his jumps will ever be fixed. Also, I've never figured out this pair's obsession with a throw 3x that they never land
As I posted above, I think S/K or Z/B at SA would strategically be better, since I think C/S are high on the substitute list for a non-USA GP spot (is that the case?).
Regarding Castelli and Shnapir, perhaps there will be more confidence in their ability to score well if they can manage to produce the throw quadruple salchow that they have been practicing at one of their Grand Prix events. I am starting to believe that they have a bigger chance of getting that to happen than they do of getting the throw triple axel.
The top skaters with one:
Vise/Baldwin (SC) #20 SB
James/Cipres (SA) #24 SB
Castelli/Shnapir (NHK) #26 SB
Gerboldt/Enbert (SC) #27 SB
Hausch/Wende (RC) #28 SB
Theoretically, C/S wouldn't be chosen higher than the third sub, since there are two Top 24 teams with only one, but, that too depends on the number of competitors from each country, which are maxed out at:
USA: SA and NHK
They could have been chosen as low as 5th sub, but then, Nagasu was skipped for TEB when she was the only one of the Top 5 group who could go (wasn't already assigned, weren't already three Russian Ladies assigned).
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