2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Alternate Selection (continued)

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  1. Kasey

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    With Schultheiss having back surgery, I'm assuming whatever events he had (NHK?) would now be open to subs as well.
     
  2. SamuraiK

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    Schultheiss didn't have any GP events.
     
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Both pairs were added to NHK Trophy today. :)

    Chafik Besseghier was officially added to TEB today on the ISU site (replacing Romain Ponsart).

    News thread started in GSD today: Narumi Takahashi out of GP series
     
  4. patinage

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  5. love_skate2011

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    this is getting ridiculous , Pairs an endangered discipline :drama:
    Yes only 6 pairs left in CoC , all alternates have been used !
     
  6. kwanfan1818

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    They can't be chosen by the current rules, because they didn't win one of the Fall Senior B's, like Martyusheva/Rogonov.

    On the other hand, Montalbano/Krasnopolski didn't reach the GP minimum before competing at Skate America, despite two attempts in Fall Senior B's, and they didn't make it at Skate America, either. Rulz, schmulz.

    I haven't checked the ages of all of the other teams that didn't make the minimum and were junior last year to see if they aged out, but the first seniors from last year that are still together are Martini/Kiefer, who were originally listed for Nepala, but didn't compete, and are on the roster for Cup of Nice, where the Pairs competition begins tomorrow. Their highest score from last year is 112.10, 8.8 points below the GP minimum.

    I think it's short-sighted to not count all scores in the Fall Senior B's for the alternates list for skaters who aren't on the Top 75 SB from last season, but make the GP minimum in the Fall. (Now they just count winners.) For Ladies, Men, and Dance, it's just a formality, but for Pairs, it could make a difference.

    Almost definitely, because even if there had been any other pairs with the GP minimum by the 7-day mark, "consideration will be given by the ISU Grand Prix Coordination Group to leaving a position vacant because of the visa requirements or unduly high travel costs that would be incurred by the Organizing Member." (GP Announcement 7.6).
     
  7. SamuraiK

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    In this cases where a skater/team withdraws to close to the beginning of the event there should be a special rule where the host FED could fill that spot with a local skater. I'd rather see the 6th ranked pair in China or USA rather than waste a spot. Oh well...

    ((Endangered Pairs))
     
  8. haribobo

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    That would be amazing, and a great opportunity for host country skaters to get a seasons best score that they might otherwise not have. There's no reason these rules have to be so restrictive- I'm not sure who it would be hurting to have added Olson/Hubbell, for example, to the Skate America dance event, or Zhang/Bartholomay or Scimeca/Knierim to the pairs event...
     
  9. Proustable

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    Eh. Then we might see hosts not extending invitations when they should, or "encouraging" skaters to delay their withdrawal the spot had to be filled by a host skater.
     
  10. Ziggy

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    That would indeed be awesome.

    Also, given ISU has already bent the rules with regards to Montalbano/Kransopolski, they really should invite Donlan/Speroff and Zhang/Bartolomay (as well as teams who will do well at Cup of Nice) rather than waste those spots. :mad:
     
  11. Jeschke

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    what´s with hausch/wende?



    i know that had personal tragedies all over the summer, but should be back in training?
    did they already decline their spots or hadn´t they any?
     
  12. SamuraiK

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    Im afraid they are not even aware the rules were broke. Like it happened with Yu/Jin as the third chinese pair at Jr. Worlds whenthey only were allowed for 2 spots, a few years ago. There had to be a LOT of media buzz and formal complaining for them to realise their mistake. Otherwise it would have passed without notice.
     
  13. SamuraiK

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    They had 1 event but withdrew so according the rules they are inelegible for an alternate spot.
     
  14. toddlj

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    So, if Scimeca/Knierim (USA) win Cup of Nice (they currently lead by 9 points after the SP) I assume that will add them to the sub list; and so it's possible for them to get a GP. Too late for Cup of China, but if there are any more withdrawals for the last 3 events.

    ETA: I checked the rules to confirm, and yes if they win Cup of Nice, they get added to the sublist.
     
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  15. haribobo

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    That would be so cool for Scimeca/Knierim if that was to happen, and clearly with 59 points in the SP and ahead of GP and JGPF teams, they are worthy of a GP spot. Either way, congrats to them for doing so well in their first international comp!!
     
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    For TEB and RC, yes. For NHK, not unless they'd replace one of the three US teams, which is possible if Y/R don't recover in time.
     
  17. Theatregirl1122

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    wrong thread
     
  18. Carina

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    And we still don't know the status of Vera Bazarov, they might drop out as well....
     
  19. love_skate2011

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    I hope not, we don't want anymore drop outs :drama:
    I recall there was a translation from Tabkha here before that said Vera it was minor and she just had some rest and massage
    not sure if this is updated, they are still listed in CoR and NHK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Bazarova
     
  20. Sylvia

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    COC and NHK seemed to be affected the most in the series of unfortunate events...
     
  22. Ziggy

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    Unless Scimeca/Knierim have a total meltdown in the FS, they should win Cup of Nice. It'll be too late for CoC but hopefully that could get them a spot at NHK.
     
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    Is Artur Dmitriev out of Cup of China now?
     
  24. Sylvia

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  25. SamuraiK

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    Damn, and its obviously too late for a replacemente so COC will only have a 9-men field. :(
     
  26. shah

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    wow, TEB ice dance roster is now almost identical with Skate Canada...
     
  27. kwanfan1818

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    As of 31 October, Montalbano/Krasnopolski have been removed from Rostelecom Cup. The only pair I know of left on the alternates list is Scimeca/Knierem (as winners of Cup of Nice), and there are only two US pairs scheduled for RC, however, that was eight days away from the start of Rostelecom Cup, and the GP announcement doesn't address withdrawals < 14 days but > 7 days. Unless the expedited visa process from last year's Worlds is still in place in Russia, there's virtually no chance for a Russian visa to be processed in time.

    Half of the Ladies fields in Cup of China and TEB were identical in the initial selection, and four of them -- Kostner, Ando, K. Zhang, and Silete -- withdrew. Lipnitskaya is the only one left standing.
     
  28. victoriaheidi

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    Any clue what happened to M/K?
     
  29. Ziggy

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    Damnit, Scimeca/Knierim have been skating extremely well so far this season for a new team and they deserved that spot. :(

    As for M/K, maybe ISU realised just now they didn't have the minimum score. :D
     
  30. crankyintheAM

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    :rofl: That's probably what happened. They're doing Icechallenge instead.
    http://www.ice-challenge.at/2012/