2012-13 ISU Grand Prix Alternate Selection (continued)

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

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    I remember Z/W now...it took looking at them.
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    There are still 2 pairs slots to be filled: Rostelecom Cup (to replace Vartmann/Van Cleave) and NHK (to replace Sui/Han); plus France's TEB host slot in dance (to replace Zahorski/Miart).

    Re-posting the following from the U.S. Men's thread:
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  3. haribobo

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    Montalbano/Krasnopolski were added to Cup of Russia- I guess it was either them or nobody as the other 2 teams (M/R and DM/G) on the alt list are already at CoR.
  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Late withdrawal tweeted by Tatjana Flade: "S. Kemp/D. King (GBR) have withdrawn from #SkateCanada as it had to be expected. She has a knee injury."
  5. Ziggy

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    Too late to replace them, sadly.
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    I don't think they would have replaced K/K even if K/K withdrew from SC the same time they withdrew from S/A.
  7. pingu

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    Takahashi/Tran have been crossed out from both their GPs (COC and NHK), are they injured?
  8. burntBREAD

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    I watched a video of them a few weeks ago and Mervin had a big cast on his hand, so it's possible. :(
  9. Jeschke

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    pairs seems to be really cursed this season.
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Tatjana Flade tweeted that she has a shoulder injury.

    Wishing her a speedy recovery!
  11. SamuraiK

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    Following Pairs figure skating is like watching a documentary of a species in danger of extinction :S. They keep dropping like flies :(
  12. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    Pairs are dropping like flies and the GP barely started
    I love Pairs so much but this new points are pushing them too much and causing much of the injuries :wuzrobbed:
  13. euterpe

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    It's probably too late to fill the Pairs slot at CoC. And now there are TWO empty pairs slots at NHK. Who's available to fill them?
  14. love_skate2011

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    surely with now 3 open Pairs spots

    Martiusheva/Rogonov gets a 2nd GP assignment :soapbox:
  15. haribobo

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    I think only Della Monica/Guarise and Martiusheva/Rogonov are left on the alternates list. I know Donlan/Speroff and Zhang/Bartholomay, among a few others, have met the GP min score, but didn't have a SB score from last season so I don't think they can be chosen.
  16. Ziggy

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    Della Monica/Guarise and Martiusheva/Rogonov.
  17. hanca

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    Great!!! Give Martiusheva/Rogonov second spot!
  18. Lis

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    yes give sec spot to Martiusheva/Rogonov,they are gorgeous !
  19. pingu

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    Montalbano/Krasnopolksi have been added to COR, and Della Monica/Guarise and Martyusheva/Rogonov to NHK
  20. LilJen

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    :wuzrobbed: Takahashi/Tran. Get well soon!!
  21. Kasey

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    With Schultheiss having back surgery, I'm assuming whatever events he had (NHK?) would now be open to subs as well.
  22. SamuraiK

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    Schultheiss didn't have any GP events.
  23. Sylvia

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    Both pairs were added to NHK Trophy today. :)

    Chafik Besseghier was officially added to TEB today on the ISU site (replacing Romain Ponsart).

    News thread started in GSD today: Narumi Takahashi out of GP series
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  25. love_skate2011

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    this is getting ridiculous , Pairs an endangered discipline :drama:
    Yes only 6 pairs left in CoC , all alternates have been used !
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    They can't be chosen by the current rules, because they didn't win one of the Fall Senior B's, like Martyusheva/Rogonov.

    On the other hand, Montalbano/Krasnopolski didn't reach the GP minimum before competing at Skate America, despite two attempts in Fall Senior B's, and they didn't make it at Skate America, either. Rulz, schmulz.

    I haven't checked the ages of all of the other teams that didn't make the minimum and were junior last year to see if they aged out, but the first seniors from last year that are still together are Martini/Kiefer, who were originally listed for Nepala, but didn't compete, and are on the roster for Cup of Nice, where the Pairs competition begins tomorrow. Their highest score from last year is 112.10, 8.8 points below the GP minimum.

    I think it's short-sighted to not count all scores in the Fall Senior B's for the alternates list for skaters who aren't on the Top 75 SB from last season, but make the GP minimum in the Fall. (Now they just count winners.) For Ladies, Men, and Dance, it's just a formality, but for Pairs, it could make a difference.

    Almost definitely, because even if there had been any other pairs with the GP minimum by the 7-day mark, "consideration will be given by the ISU Grand Prix Coordination Group to leaving a position vacant because of the visa requirements or unduly high travel costs that would be incurred by the Organizing Member." (GP Announcement 7.6).
  27. SamuraiK

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    In this cases where a skater/team withdraws to close to the beginning of the event there should be a special rule where the host FED could fill that spot with a local skater. I'd rather see the 6th ranked pair in China or USA rather than waste a spot. Oh well...

    ((Endangered Pairs))
  28. haribobo

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    That would be amazing, and a great opportunity for host country skaters to get a seasons best score that they might otherwise not have. There's no reason these rules have to be so restrictive- I'm not sure who it would be hurting to have added Olson/Hubbell, for example, to the Skate America dance event, or Zhang/Bartholomay or Scimeca/Knierim to the pairs event...
  29. Proustable

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    Eh. Then we might see hosts not extending invitations when they should, or "encouraging" skaters to delay their withdrawal the spot had to be filled by a host skater.
  30. Ziggy

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    That would indeed be awesome.

    Also, given ISU has already bent the rules with regards to Montalbano/Kransopolski, they really should invite Donlan/Speroff and Zhang/Bartolomay (as well as teams who will do well at Cup of Nice) rather than waste those spots. :mad:
  31. Jeschke

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    what´s with hausch/wende?



    i know that had personal tragedies all over the summer, but should be back in training?
    did they already decline their spots or hadn´t they any?
  32. SamuraiK

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    Im afraid they are not even aware the rules were broke. Like it happened with Yu/Jin as the third chinese pair at Jr. Worlds whenthey only were allowed for 2 spots, a few years ago. There had to be a LOT of media buzz and formal complaining for them to realise their mistake. Otherwise it would have passed without notice.
  33. SamuraiK

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    They had 1 event but withdrew so according the rules they are inelegible for an alternate spot.
  34. toddlj

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    So, if Scimeca/Knierim (USA) win Cup of Nice (they currently lead by 9 points after the SP) I assume that will add them to the sub list; and so it's possible for them to get a GP. Too late for Cup of China, but if there are any more withdrawals for the last 3 events.

    ETA: I checked the rules to confirm, and yes if they win Cup of Nice, they get added to the sublist.
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  35. haribobo

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    That would be so cool for Scimeca/Knierim if that was to happen, and clearly with 59 points in the SP and ahead of GP and JGPF teams, they are worthy of a GP spot. Either way, congrats to them for doing so well in their first international comp!!
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    For TEB and RC, yes. For NHK, not unless they'd replace one of the three US teams, which is possible if Y/R don't recover in time.
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    And we still don't know the status of Vera Bazarov, they might drop out as well....
  39. love_skate2011

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    I hope not, we don't want anymore drop outs :drama:
    I recall there was a translation from Tabkha here before that said Vera it was minor and she just had some rest and massage
    not sure if this is updated, they are still listed in CoR and NHK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Bazarova
  40. Sylvia

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