2011 Adult Nationals

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  1. manleywoman

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    But again . . . regardless of the location, if you're planning on going, you would ask for the time off anyway, right? I know many folks make their decisions depending on the location and costs, but if you're planning on asking time off anyway . . .
  2. overedge

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    I am, even though I can't compete. But it's within travelling distance to watch...
  3. purple skates

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    I probably won't be there. :( Oh well. I need to find some local ISI competitions or something.
  4. Stormy

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    But.....ANs is always the 2nd or 3rd week in April. And we've known the dates for weeks now. It's not like the dates are a big surprise every year that vary from month to month. Plus, if you read the bid packages which were out months ago, you knew exactly which two weeks the dates could have been. Yes, it can be harder to schedule time off but if you do a little research, it's easier to plan.
  5. skatemommy

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    Exactly....Won't be going all that way for Gold Solo Dance.
  6. pairman2

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    It's not just about planning when to go. It's also about planning to not go. What if a person can do location x but not z, then they might want to take their very limited vacation time and allocate it elsewhere...at a different time... and must put in for that vacation time well in advance. How this sequence of location selection went down this year was not good. I've heard a significant number of adult skaters (who do not post on threads) voice this opinion.

    In my opinion, it's quite glib for someone who's club had a year and a half to prepare for AN, to suggest that everything is just fine that the present club has so much less time to work with. I could also add that no elite competition would be subjected to such a delayed decision process. Imagine the howls if that ever happened. But what the hey, we're just adult skaters and that's what we should expect, right?

    Congratulations Salt Lake City.
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  8. GarrAarghHrumph

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    SLC is a direct flight from many of the major hubs in the US, so that helps. It's also a really cool city to be in, for those interested and who've never been.
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    It is true that the later than usual announcement date of AN is not ideal. But everything can't be ideal. It is not fair of any of us to assume the what and why of the delay. The delay had nothing to do with "they are only adults" mentality. It happened due to circumstances beyond anyone's control.

    It seems the LOC is doing just fine so far. They already have a logo and it looks great.

    I'm only sorry that I won't be able to attend. It looks so beautiful there.
  10. duckshooter

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    I second what elphaba said. I've been to many AN's, and this is the only time the announcement of the location was this late in the year. True, the lateness of this year's announcement of the winning AN bid is not ideal, but it is also not typical of the AN selection process. If the PTB wanted to screw over the adult skaters, they'd have announced the AN location this late every year.
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    What can be much more upsetting is when the registering goes all wonky like it did a few years ago.

    In the end we know 6+ months in advance which is more than enough time, for most, it is in a nice location and being held at a very nice facility.

    I'll choose to look on the bright side.;)
  12. duckshooter

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    Absolutely coskater. I know which AN you're referring to, and that was a nightmare. This is nothing compared to that. We have seven months till AN 2011. Imagine having your AN event moved to a different day than you expected, _one_ month before AN and _after_ you've already booked a flight. Uh huh.

    I think it's important to choose our battles here. I wouldn't want the adult skating community to lose its bargaining capital over this issue and wind up possibly being in a bad position to fight what I feel are more important battles, like those involving the competition schedule or combining 'singleton' events.
  13. manleywoman

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    Please. If the four clubs that were bidding felt prepared to do it with less notice than 1.5 years, that's their business and I trust their judgement. I've seen clubs do a lot more with a lot less.
  14. manleywoman

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    Exactly.
  15. GarrAarghHrumph

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    SLC and the area around it is absolutely stunning.
  16. Debbie S

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    For comparison, the location of Skate America was announced in March, 8 months before the event. We're now 7 months out from AN, so there's not much difference in time. SA has fewer competitors than AN, but when you add in all the team officials from each delegation, plus all USFSA officials and bigwigs, and parent chaperones (optional) you're probably talking about close to the same number of people. And for SA, you've got skaters flying in from other countries. Also consider the logistics of a large arena, the TV and webcasts, other media, and ticket sales to fans (which is on a much grander and more complex sale than ticket sales to AN). The prep for SA is much more complex than it is for AN and there are a number of moving parts in several different countries.

    In the past few years, the window between the announcement and the event has gotten shorter for all USFSA events. IIRC, the location for South Atlantic Regionals wasn't announced until this spring, several months after the other Regional locations were announced. This is not something that only affects adult skating.
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    Originally Posted by pairman2
    I could also add that no elite competition would be subjected to such a delayed decision process.


    Much of the delay is in finding a club willing to host such a competition. Many clubs do not want to host Sectionals, Adult Sectionals, Adult Nationals, etc. Money is tight (can the club afford to take the risk to host it), skating competitions compete against hockey for ice time, finding facilities big enough to handle some competitions (AN recommends 3 sheets of ice, 2 for competition, 1 for practice), has the volunteer base been exhausted by other comps? Etc, etc, etc. These are things that a club considers before bidding to host a US Figure Skating competition.

    The larger "elite" comps, as someone called them (Nationals, Skate America) are usually planned several years out, and are pretty much no longer handled by the local clubs, but mainly by US Figure Skating staff with the support of an LOC that today seems to be comprised of several clubs and/or local sporting or visitors associations.

    The two are not really comparable.
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  19. Debbie S

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    I understand the planning process is different. I was addressing the timing of the location announcement in response to Pairman's statement that major kid/elite comps announce locations much more in advance than AN. My point was that is not always the case. It's true that the USFSA staff takes a much larger role in the planning and execution of SA and Nats, and there's no wheel to reinvent each year, but the location does need to be set in order to actually arrange the logistics (transportation, accommodations, practice ice) and sell tickets and recruit sponsors. And it seems that over the past few years, locations have been announced much closer to the comp than in the past - I remember Nats used to be announced at least 3 years in advance and SA was at least a year ahead of time.
  20. vesperholly

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    How short our memories have become. The 2000 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS was reassigned from Australia to France in fall 1999, and they pulled it off.

    Oy.

    I'm really happy it's on the West Coast! Too long have our left coast friends been traveling great distances to attend ANs. I probably won't know for sure if I'm attending until January (my company can stop it with the furloughs, kthxbai) but I really, really want to go. Crossing my fingers!!
  21. pairman2

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    Your point is well taken but as crzesk8dad pointed out, it's not really apples to apples
    Differences:
    -AN 600+ competitors, up to 800 starts
    -I doubt any SA entrants are juggling vacation time and work schedules in order to attend.
    -As crze. pointed out, a vastly different level of infrastructure support by both USFS and the host city (I'm sure due to TV coverage).

    My point is that at some time, a short time frame degrades the ability to host an event and also affects the viability of attendance of an increasing number of potential skaters. AN's have all typically been chosen approximately a year ahead of time. This year, for whatever reason, it is less. (Wasn't it Minissota that was actually chosen two years in advance??) Perhaps 7 months is perfectly fine for all involved. Let us hope so. But for all the ones insisting that 7 months is just fine, at what point would you hit the panic button? Would 5,4,3 months be just fine as well? If there are clear business and economic reasons why the decision was delayed this year from the norm, I would certainly understand this as anyone would. So rather then speculate, perhaps icerinque could shed some light on how the process evolved and perhaps 7 months or less can become the new expectation.
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  22. Debbie S

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    You referred to "elite competition" in your post regarding announcement timing. I responded. I agree they are completely different things, so if you see that, why compare them in the first place?

    And as I also pointed out, the location of Souths was not announced until relatively late this year (probably b/c they had difficulty finding a club to host it). I'm quite certain Souths is larger than AN. And skaters and their parents do indeed need to take time off from school and work to attend. We'll have to wait and see, but I think Souths will be fine from both an attendance and organizational perspective.

    I think we should be happy that a club is willing to host AN (b/c it's not guaranteed) and not immediately make assumptions that they can't handle it. If I were from the club/LOC and reading this thread, I'd be annoyed.

    I didn't realize MN was awarded 2 years in advance. If that is so, then given all the complaints voiced last year over practice ice and scheduling and just general communication with the LOC, I'm not sure that the argument that more advance time translates into a better event holds water.
  23. Stormy

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    Considering SLC is also holding Junior Nationals, it seems to me they'd know how to hold a huge event. Think of it this way.....they'll get all the kinks out of holding a big event with JNs and ANs will run smoother because of it.

    I'm just going to echo what was mentioned upthread about how adult skaters are seen as high maintenence. Parts of this thread do seem to substantiate that, especially the way the OP reacted to the situation.

    Personally, and this is just me, I'm damn grateful to have the opportunity to compete at competitions like Sectionals and ANs. USFS doesn't HAVE to give us competitions. We're not the elites that bring them recognition and money. At the end of the day, I really don't care that the announcement was made late. Yes, I want to know just like the rest of us, but ANs for me is going to be awesome because I'll make it awesome. Even with all of the fail that was Minneapolis, I still had a great time. My goal is to go and skate as best I can. Where it is or when it's announced doesn't change any of that.
  24. manleywoman

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    Thank you! :respec:

    Truer words were never spoken! But IIRC, pairman and lovepairs didn't go last year, so they wouldn't know that.

    As a member of both an LOC and a former member of the AC, I can say that . . . at least during my tenure . . . that there are only a few very vocal adults who complain and make (sometimes unreasonable/uninformed/unrealistic) demands year after year after year. The majority of adults are happy with to work with and be positive about the situation given.

    We ALL know that there are always improvements to be made, and we all want to make things better. But there are ways to do it that don't make us look high-maintenance.

    For my part, In my 13 ANs I've only complained to a referee or LOC once -- and that was last year. And I still had a great time as well!

    Bottom line: It's what you make of it. If you're going to focus on the fact that XX rink doesn't have proper lighting, or you didn't get a big enough locker room, or that there wasn't a hair salon close enough to the rink (yes, that was an actual complaint I got once), then you're doomed to have a bad time.
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    Reminds me of the time my club had a complaint once that there was a disco ball on the ceiling of one of their rinks, which has a low ceiling compared with most rinks. :rolleyes: If that rink was good enough for the World Junior Champion pair team at the time, it was good enough for any of us. :)
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    Which reminds me... since we know officially now that it's in SLC, I know of someone who actually DOES do hair at competition across several West Coast states and SLC is definitely one of them. (I asked...) How do I get in touch of the LOC for SLC to give them that info so they know to try to get this person in as one of their vendors so there WOULDN'T be a complaint about NOT having a hair salon nearby? :p
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  27. Terri C

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    The LOC chair is part of the AN '11 group that is on Facebook.... you can message her through that or the SLFS website.
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    Manley, you said:
    "We ALL know that there are always improvements to be made, and we all want to make things better."

    I agree with this

    You also said
    "But there are ways to do it that don't make us look high-maintenance."

    In the context of your comments, I suppose that you saying 'that things could be better' is fine but if I propose that things could be better, I am 'high maintenance'. You know, for me to suggest that the this years lead time for an AN location has been problematic for a lot of people isn't really on par with a complaint about the distance to the nearest hair dresser.

    Also, the fact that I didn't attend the Minnesota event doesn't detract from any of the points I made. If you'd like to make a substantive response, try addressing my whole post in it's proper context instead of trolling sound bites. Quite frankly, I'm a bit amazed at the extent that you are going to parse this into a personal matter.

    In my prior post I said:

    "If there are clear business and economic reasons why the decision was delayed this year from the norm, I would certainly understand this as anyone would. So rather then speculate, perhaps icerinque could shed some light on how the process evolved and perhaps 7 months or less can become the new expectation."

    Perhaps you or icerinque could address this instead.
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    Bloomington, MN was a lovely town and we had great weather for April! There were snafus and some rude people in the LOC, but I still had a blast and had one of my most successful competitions ever.

    I'm very excited about going to SLC. AN will most likely be my second trip to the area in 2011, and I couldn't be happier. Just the thought of seeing those mountains while the plane is circling the airport... ah.....
    what a happy thought!
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  31. purple skates

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    Paul had quit skating for a while, but is back at least in singles freestyle :)cheer2:). Judy has been competing with Craig Joeright. (I may have spelled his name wrong. I may have got his name wrong. I have a thing about his name, I keep wanting to call him Joe Craigright. That may be right. Or not. Don't tell him, though. :lol:)

    Great people. I am really happy for them. :)
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