2010 Olympic Ice Dance Results

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  1. longingfornia

    longingfornia New Member

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    Anyone wonder what would have happened if Albena Denkova & Maxim Staviski ,Oksana Domnina & Maxim Shabalin and Isabelle Delobel & Olivier Schoenfelder were able to compete at their best and what the outcome would be
     
  2. PashaFan

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    Domnina & Shabalin were never going to win an Olympic Gold medal in Canada.
    The hate towards them grew as Vancouver got closer.
    The controversy over their OD was used as a stick to beat them with.
    I would have had three different couples on top during each stage of the competition.
     
  3. longingfornia

    longingfornia New Member

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    If Domshabs had been at their fall 2007 level they could have challeged IMHO
     
  4. professordeb

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    D&S were told about their FD offending people of a country that is NOT Canada when they first came out with it, IIRC. They were offered the services of others to help them make it more authentic but they declined. That's what all the brou-ha-ha was about. Add to that fact was Maxim was skating while injured and it hampered some of their skating - especially in the FD.

    There are many here, myself included, who felt they were actually gifted with the medal they did win.

    I think that the battle for gold would likely have been between D/S and D/S with V/M getting bronze.
     
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  5. PashaFan

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    Don't agree that they were gifted their bronze medal.
    Did you mean OD not FD?.
    They were perfectly entitled to skate to the OD they did. I'm of mixed race & would find nothing offensive over an ice dance programe. Because that's all it is.
    I agree that at the Europeans they chose the wrong costumes but people would not let them move on from it. It overshadowed them in Vancouver.
    Delobel & Schoenfelder also were undermarked. Belbin & Agosto had easier programes yet were held up IMO.
     
  6. longingfornia

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    Michelle Kwan?
     
  8. PashaFan

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    I thought Delobel/Schoenfelders free dance was special. It held my attention right to the end.
    Faella/Scalli were better than that free dance. They should have gone for a more upbeat programe, but their skating skills are very strong.
    Some of my favourite ice dance programes of recent years have been from Belbin/Agosto but this was a very weak dance. Slow & nothing new.
    So for me Del/Sch were the best of them.
    The Kerrs made errors on their twizzles but I would still have had them 4th in the free.
     
  9. mia joy

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    Denkova/Stavisky were long retired at the time of Vancouver, I kinda don't get the point of putting them in this thread/question :confused:

    IMO if it hadn't been for the injury and pregnancy, Isabelle and Olivier would've been entering Vancouver Games as reigning world champions and probably they would've won gold or silver. Tessa and Scott would've been their main rivals. Meryl and Charlie would've probably won bronze, unless someone tried really hard to avoid a Russia-free podium.
     
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  10. PashaFan

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    Isabelle and Olivier should have gone to the Europeans first. They really needed a big competition to try to get ready. Shame.
    IMO they would have won the Worlds in 2009 if they had been there.
    Their free dance that season was wonderful.
     
  11. mia joy

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    yeah that's what I meant. Reigning world champions in 2010 would've meant they won Worlds 2009 ;) Their Pink Floyd was a pearl, I agree.

    But they had no chance on going to Europeans in 2010. She gave birth in October. I still find it very admirable that they managed to actually go to Vancouver.
     
  12. longingfornia

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    Denkova/Stavisk only retired because of the incident. and i think they would have competed thru 2010

    cheers
     
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    This is what Denkova/Staviski said after they won their second Worlds

    Link.

    I don't think they ever really had any intention of competing.

    If we ask what if DomShabs and DelSchoes were healthy, can we also add what if Virtue/Moir were healthy in 2009 (and 2010)?
     
  14. mia joy

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    Interesting. I'd say all three teams would've been on the 2009 worlds podium. The placements would have depended on who did better on that particular day (and yes, on politics too). But I think gold would've gone to either DelSchoes or V/M.

    In 2010, again DelSchoes vs V/M for gold, with Meryl and Charlie coming in third and DomShabs in fourth.

    However, Isabelle and Olivier did tend to have weaker days every now and then at the end of their career. If one of those had happened during a major competition, they might've as well finished in 3rd or 4th in both competitions.
     
  15. Proustable

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    Yeah, it's a great what if scenario....

    Presumably, if DomShabs were healthy, they win 2008 right?
     
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    I think in that scenario the podium in Vancouver is Virtue & Moir, Delobel & Schoenfelder, and Domnina & Shabalin in some order, all 3 as possible contenders for gold or silver. Since Virtue & Moir were on home ice and skated beautifully they still would have been very hard to beat. Denkova & Stayviski would have been past their best by 2010 which is why they wisely retired after 2007. 2006 should have been their year to win a silver or gold but they had bad luck at the Games. I guess Davis & White and Denkova & Stayviski could still have been outside contenders for bronze but no more IMO.
     
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    Either that or purple.
     
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    The idea that being healthy/not healthy would have made much difference is amusing to me.

    It's obvious from looking at the protocols that the judges were just handing out predetermined PCS regardless if they were warranted (B&A and F&S getting 9.50+ scores for their CD, DomShabs getting higher SS,TR,CH than DelSchoes in the OD and FD, B&A skating in side by side and hand to hand position for almost the entirety of their OD and not being punished for it,etc.)

    I could go on for paragraphs about the dance event, but I don't feel like it. But I agree with the sentiment that V&M were not being beaten in Vancouver.
     
  19. mia joy

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    In the case of Isabelle and Olivier, the difference was huge. They were shadows of themselves in Vancouver. They might've been slightly undermarked, but they surely weren't anywhere near their best. So yeah, it would've made a difference.
     
  20. PashaFan

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    I agree.
    I sat through the entire ice dance event & just felt like it became a parade rather than an actual competition.
    There were some very strange scores in the event.
    But before the Olympics started I did not see D/W & V/M as the top two.
    I was quite shocked as to how far ahead in the marking they were.
     
  21. Proustable

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    Who did you see as the top two, I've gotta ask?
     
  22. PashaFan

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    I saw Domnina/Shabalin as the favourites-going in as World champions.
    Delobel & Schoenfelder as possible medalists.
    Virtue & Moir also, & maybe Belbin & Agosto as current World Silver medalists.
    Davis & White making top five. I thought maybe they would drop down with Delobel & Schoenfelder returning.
    After the compulsory dance it became clear that the judges were giving the thumbs down to the French & with the talk over Domnina & Shabalin's original dance that the two North American couples going for the gold.
     
  23. mia joy

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    I'm sorry, but by the time of Vancouver, both V/M and D/W were way better than DomShabs and B/A. DomShabs shouldn't even have won the Europeans that year.

    I do agree the judges were too harsh on Delobel/Schoenfelder, though.
     
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    From the time V/M entered seniors the push was on for them for the OLY podium in 2010. Their first yr in seniors they were already being likened to T/D. As much as I liked the French, Olivier in particular, I think that they were thrown a bone in 2008.IMHO, the joke in 08, was the other Russian team making the podium. After Worlds in 07, I think the ISU was pretty much done, for the most part, with Tanith and Ben.And Tanith's fall in 08 made it very easy for them.IMHO, I would have had the two American teams on the Worlds podium along with V/M and the Dom/Shabs no where near it (Worlds 09) In 09, D/W were thrown under the bus at Worlds. Re: the Oly, I thought that the first two were placed correctly. But I thought that the Dom/Shabs were a hot mess. Linichuk did B/A no favors with their programs or those embarrassing costumes.

    Just my conspiratorial take on ice dance 07-10.
     
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    Even though they missed huge chunks of the season, had weak programs, were hurt by his injury and lost to F/S in two portions of Euros? Even though D/S hadn't competed in a year, had to deal with injury and her pregnancy? Really?
     
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  26. PashaFan

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    Yes, really.
    Look, some of us are never going to see eye to eye on this.
    IMO Del/Sch & Dom/Sha got a bum deal at the Olympics.
    Just because you don't see it that way does not mean I don't either.
    I agree that V/M deserved the gold but going down the list I think there were somevery dodgy decisions in Vancouver.
    I do not think Dom/Sha had weak programes & did very well to get past everything, as did Del/Sch.
    If V/M or D/W had gone through any of that we would be praising them.
     
  27. miffy

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    I think Domnina skated beautifully but poor Shabalin was no longer able to skate as well as he used to (so much 2 footed skating.) He was probably in a lot of pain and did well considering!

    I know I will be :lynch: for this but I thought DelSchoes were slightly overmarked considering their form at the time! Again they did well under the circumstances but they were marked on their form on the night and that really wasn't great. I was shocked as I had thought they wouldn't have competed if they weren't at their best and I actually had thought they would win till they started skating! :eek: I would have had P/B, K/K and K/N above DelSchoes.

    I didn't think D/W deserved the silver. I think Belbin/Agosto were better, and I was never a fan of theirs so no bias. ;) So I would probably have had V/M, B/A, DomShabs.
     
  28. PashaFan

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    I thought Del/Sch OD was below what they were capable of. Their free was well skated but maybe they should have gone back to their 08 free that they had in the Grand Prix Series as they did not go to the Worlds in 09.
     
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    Fwiw, I would've had F/S in bronze, DelSchoes 4th and B/A fifth at the Olympics.
     
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  30. PashaFan

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    I agree with what your saying about going into the Olympics.
    My main gripe was with the Davis/White silver.
    Yes, they were the best (for me) in the original dance but I would not have had them 3rd in the compulsory & their free dance IMO was just mini pairs skating.
    You have to remember that I live in Europe & in the main get very little figure skating coverage. So going into the Olympics the Europeans was the first look I got at many of the ice dance programes.