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vexlak
04-12-2013, 05:46 PM
I noticed a posting on the ISU to keep skaters from competing in Dubai. Understandably so, because they are not members.
However from the business stand point of view and future of the sport, would it be more appropriate to promote the sport in one of the richest countries in the world? Or at least not routing against it?

When will the ISU management take heads out of the sand and smell the roses?

http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1306

J-Ro
04-12-2013, 05:52 PM
I noticed a posting on the ISU to keep skaters from competing in Dubai. Understandably so, because they are not members.
However from the business stand point of view and future of the sport, would it be more appropriate to promote the sport in one of the richest countries in the world? Or at least not routing against it?

When will the ISU management take heads out of the sand and smell the roses?

http://www2.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-205151-222374-nav-list,00.html?id=1306

Methinks the ISU is just a tad uppity. I agree with you completely. I'm sure if the ISU weren't so stuck on protocol, it could grant an exception on a trial basis and work with the UAE to become a member and develop skating. Yes, with all the money in Dubai (they have an indoor ski area, don't they?), the Middle East could become the next figure skating, er, hotbed. I say, don't knock it.

overedge
04-12-2013, 06:19 PM
The ISU is warning people not to participate in this particular competition because it's not sanctioned by them. And looking at the announcement, I can see why they issued this statement.

http://www.danskate.dk/da/Det%20sker/~/media/DSkoeU/Files/2012-2013/Udenlandske%20konkurrencer/2%20ANNOUNCENENTDUBAI%20GOLDEN%20CUP%202013.ashx

The announcement mentions the ISU a few times, including that the competition will be run by ISU rules. So an ISU-eligible skater could well read this and think that it was an ISU-approved competition.

The ISU is not saying they are against skating in Dubai in general. And they're not saying that they won't ever do business in Dubai.

J-Ro
04-12-2013, 07:03 PM
The ISU is warning people not to participate in this particular competition because it's not sanctioned by them. And looking at the announcement, I can see why they issued this statement.

http://www.danskate.dk/da/Det%20sker/~/media/DSkoeU/Files/2012-2013/Udenlandske%20konkurrencer/2%20ANNOUNCENENTDUBAI%20GOLDEN%20CUP%202013.ashx

The announcement mentions the ISU a few times, including that the competition will be run by ISU rules. So an ISU-eligible skater could well read this and think that it was an ISU-approved competition.

The ISU is not saying they are against skating in Dubai in general. And they're not saying that they won't ever do business in Dubai.

Right. But I'm suggesting that maybe the ISU could work with the organizers in Dubai and recognize an opportunity.

jlai
04-12-2013, 08:03 PM
There are quite a lot of non-IsU sanctioned comps in Asis, including some of the recent skating challenges in the jr level

overedge
04-12-2013, 11:06 PM
Right. But I'm suggesting that maybe the ISU could work with the organizers in Dubai and recognize an opportunity.

Maybe the ISU doesn't think the competition is developed enough for an ISU sanction. Also, the competition organizers indicate in the announcement that they want "to promote the newly organized UAE Figure Skating Federation, eventually to be under the governance of the International Skating Union". Maybe the ISU has other plans to organize a federation in this region and doesn't want to work with this particular group.

Yes, it's an opportunity, but I see nothing wrong with the ISU deciding not to work with this particular opportunity. It will not be the last or only competition in this region.

vexlak
04-13-2013, 04:07 AM
The ISU is warning people not to participate in this particular competition because it's not sanctioned by them. And looking at the announcement, I can see why they issued this statement.

http://www.danskate.dk/da/Det%20sker/~/media/DSkoeU/Files/2012-2013/Udenlandske%20konkurrencer/2%20ANNOUNCENENTDUBAI%20GOLDEN%20CUP%202013.ashx

The announcement mentions the ISU a few times, including that the competition will be run by ISU rules. So an ISU-eligible skater could well read this and think that it was an ISU-approved competition.

The ISU is not saying they are against skating in Dubai in general. And they're not saying that they won't ever do business in Dubai.

You are correct in theory which I agree with letting anyone know that it is not ISU sanctioned event.

What strikes me is the second part of the announcement:
"ISU Members should therefore refrain from entering Competitors and Officials into this competition"

Refrain? Why? Can a member be punished by attending after all? It sure sounds that way.
Why could not ISU have a little bit of business sense? We are reading about the sport going down the drain and loosing fan base, yet we turn backs to a promotion in a $$$ rich country? When will they (ISU) wake up? When it's late?

overedge
04-13-2013, 04:13 AM
Yes, an ISU skater or official can be punished by the ISU if they participate in a non-sanctioned competition or event (such as an ice show). This is true within ISU member federations as well, e.g. competitors in Canada who are Skate Canada members can be punished by Skate Canada if they participate in an event in Canada that is not sanctioned by Skate Canada.

As I pointed out above, maybe the ISU has reasons why they are warning their members not to participate in this particular competition. But whatever the reason is, it does not mean that the ISU wants to never have anything to do with skating in Dubai, or to ignore the opportunities there. Maybe they want to promote their own competition at some point, I don't know. But telling people not to participate in one competition is not shutting the door on skating in that country forever.

Sylvia
04-13-2013, 04:18 AM
Maybe it has to do with young skaters that competed there last year who were unaware the competition was not sanctioned by the ISU? From the FSU Archives:

AFAIK Sergei Dobrin's young pupil Danil Korenyuk won there and I'd love to see detailed results.


Dubai Cup 2012 (http://www.sport-folio.net/database/event/golden_cup_of_dubai_figure_skating_championship_20 12/results/)

Korenyuk competed in Pre-juvenile A.

ETA a history of figure skating in UAE:
http://www.facebook.com/DubaiFigureSkatingAcademy/posts/542231102461686

Sylvia
04-25-2013, 03:31 PM
2013 Golden Cup of Dubai Figure Skating Championships Begins Today [April 25]: http://www.dubaichronicle.com/2013/04/25/golden-cup-of-dubai-figure-skating-championships/
Excerpt:

Regulated by the International Skating Union, the Championship will be evaluated by Master Coaches and Judges from Europe and North America. Participants will compete in Girls, Boys and Artistic disciplines during the three different parts Singles, Interpretive, and Group Dance. Throughout the event, guests will have the chance to see the guests of honor, the two-time Olympic silver medalist Irina Slutskaya and the American skater and choreographer Ararat Zakarian. As with the previous editions, the Championship is hosted by Queen of the Ice World, the figure skating academy of Kristina Romanova and Lydia Paly-Hume, both famous names in international figure skating. Of course, the event is also supported by Dubai Sports Council and the newly launched UAE Figure Skating Federation.

overedge
04-25-2013, 05:15 PM
Kristina Romanova and Lydia Paly-Hume are "famous names in international figure skating"? I Googled Paly-Hume and the only hits that came up were references to the story that Sylvia linked.

ETA: Oh my, the "Queen of Ice World" website is quite something: http://www.queenoficeworld.org/v1/

zaphyre14
04-25-2013, 05:42 PM
Maybe the ISU is trying to send a message to "the richest country in the world" that they have to follow the rules the same as every other member federation and get a sanction for their competition ahead of time like everyone else?

allezfred
04-26-2013, 12:00 AM
Maybe the ISU is trying to send a message to "the richest country in the world" that they have to follow the rules the same as every other member federation and get a sanction for their competition ahead of time like everyone else?

This. It might help if they got their act together and actually applied to be an ISU member. :shuffle:

MacMadame
04-26-2013, 01:08 AM
This. It might help if they got their act together and actually applied to be an ISU member. :shuffle:

What a concept?! :drama:

Silly ISU expecting people to play by the rules and not put out misleading press releases making it seem like their competitions are sanctioned when they aren't.

jlai
04-26-2013, 03:21 AM
The ISU is warning people not to participate in this particular competition because it's not sanctioned by them. And looking at the announcement, I can see why they issued this statement.

http://www.danskate.dk/da/Det%20sker/~/media/DSkoeU/Files/2012-2013/Udenlandske%20konkurrencer/2%20ANNOUNCENENTDUBAI%20GOLDEN%20CUP%202013.ashx

The announcement mentions the ISU a few times, including that the competition will be run by ISU rules. So an ISU-eligible skater could well read this and think that it was an ISU-approved competition.

The ISU is not saying they are against skating in Dubai in general. And they're not saying that they won't ever do business in Dubai.

I thought I've seen similar references to ISU in the announcements of other non-sanctioned comps before, like in those Asian jr figure skating challenges