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Ziggy
02-18-2013, 07:13 PM
So let's introduce men's synchronized swimming and men's rhythmic gymnastics? :P

Yes, let's!

And women's ski jumping too, of course.

maatTheViking
02-18-2013, 07:36 PM
Denmark just missed qualifying their women's hockey team for Sochi, so I doubt there is a lack of countries able to field a team. The fact that 2 countries are miles ahead of everyone else is a different problem.

escaflowne9282
02-18-2013, 09:51 PM
Sold, or bought? If the IOC didn't do their own research, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIHF_World_Women%27s_Championships) then one can hardly blame a sport for seeking to raise its prestige and promote itself.

Also, it's worth noting that for the first 70 years of men's hockey at the Olympics, with one bizarre exception in the 1930s, gold medals were won by just two entities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_Olympic_Games) - Canada and the Soviet Union/Unified team. For that matter, until 1952, Canada took gold every time except once.

But today, men's Olympic hockey is very competitive - so maybe the thinking is that by investing in women's hockey and building its popularity, there will come a day when more countries participate and win gold medals.

I could understand that line of thinking, but then the IOC got rid of softball and baseball in the summer games, citing them as being non-competitive, even though there seemed to be a greater variety of countries playing and winning medals. Baseball only went from 1992-2008 and Softball 1996-2008 (with the decision to get rid of both coming in 2005). The playing field in women's hockey seems to be much less egalitarian than either of these two sports.

Outside of the US and Canada, many countries don't really invest as much(if any) money in women's hockey as they do men's. The result is that the US and Canada wind up with a disproportionately stronger pool of talent and resources, and wind up with uncompetitive game after uncompetitive game( with still no talk of women's ski jumping or bobsled...::shuffle:: ). Rogge himself commented that there was very little improvement in the situation as of Vancouver.

I don't hate women's hockey, but it seems as though, there needed to be more consideration upon including it on the Olympic roster. I do agree that the IOC needed to research it considerably more.

manhn
02-18-2013, 09:54 PM
Winter Olympics does not have the same issues of having too many sports and experiencing escalating costs like the Summer Games does. So, just because a summer sport is eliminated doesn't mean a winter sport has to be eliminated.

Habs
02-18-2013, 09:59 PM
with still no talk of women's ski jumping or bobsled...::shuffle:: ).

:confused: Women's bobsleigh has been in the Olympics since 2002.

escaflowne9282
02-18-2013, 10:22 PM
Winter Olympics does not have the same issues of having too many sports and experiencing escalating costs like the Summer Games does. So, just because a summer sport is eliminated doesn't mean a winter sport has to be eliminated.
I realize that. I just find some of the overall general justifications previously used by the IOC to get rid of sports deemed unnecessary and the lack of inclusion of other sports, while introducing, or attempting to introduce sports that are more niche, to be somewhat incongruous . No wrestling, or baseball, no women's ski-jumping , but bringing in golf , keeping women's hockey, and introducing the ski-cross ?



:confused: Women's bobsleigh has been in the Olympics since 2002.

:o You're right, it was the 4 man bobsled I was thinking of .

Domshabfan
02-19-2013, 01:39 AM
Not including baseball in the Olympic program is very understable since it is only popular in few countries. On top of this non of the big names in the sport compete at the Olympics.

I can see many are unhappy about women's ski-jumping is not an Olympic event. Are you guys bit late in your protest especially since women's ski-jumping is going to be a Olympic event in Sochi.

Women's ski jumping was initially rejected by IOC since the event wasn't a competitive event, among many other reasons. However after some protest ioc decided to add the event. Women on compete on the NOrmal hill and not on large hill like the men. Though Nordic combined is still strictly men's event.

Seregil
02-19-2013, 05:59 PM
Who says wrestling has to be a summer sport? If there is room in the winter Olympics, move wrestling there. Wrestlers are no more underdressed than the ice dancers.

overedge
02-19-2013, 09:06 PM
Who says wrestling has to be a summer sport? If there is room in the winter Olympics, move wrestling there. Wrestlers are no more underdressed than the ice dancers.

Wrestlers don't wear enough sequins :P

Cachoo
02-19-2013, 11:57 PM
I heard a NPR story on this (related link below but not as descriptive). The gist I got from it is that the individual members of the IOC who voted on this just didn't have any personal stake with wrestling and somehow they did with other sports. So it was a personal interest decison.

Those guys are, in short, a**holes.

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/12/171837307/summer-olympics-to-drop-wrestling-after-2016-games

NPR reported today that the US and Iran are both protesting the decision which might be the first thing the two countries agree on in some time.

kwanfan1818
02-20-2013, 12:35 AM
Not including baseball in the Olympic program is very understable since it is only popular in few countries.
Besides the US and Japan, baseball is immensely popular in the Taiwan, the Caribbean, including Cuba and the Dominican Republic, and Central America. It targets part of the world where many of the nations' teams are focused on a few sports, like boxing, martial arts, or table tennis.


On top of this non of the big names in the sport compete at the Olympics.
I would think this would be a positive thing.


NPR reported today that the US and Iran are both protesting the decision which might be the first thing the two countries agree on in some time.
All of the lip-service to applauding the Middle Eastern nations for being more inclusive of women, how happy to highlight athletes from traditionally Muslim countries, how Istanbul has a great chance at winning a bid in the next two Summer Olympics, blah, blah, they try to cut a freaking sport that is important in South Europe and the Middle East. How bright of them.

Buzz
02-20-2013, 06:06 PM
Is there a petition we could sign or something?!

love_skate2011
02-20-2013, 06:58 PM
wrong decision

now they unleashed alot of critcisms from countries with Wrestling powers like Iran, Russia, Japan etc.
even in the US

now I say remove dressage, ping pong or horsebackriding
golf ? lol

Buzz
02-21-2013, 08:45 AM
Saw the news piece about the US and Iran working together to get wrestling back in the games.

Domshabfan
02-21-2013, 09:37 AM
The president of the international wrestling federation (FILA), Raphael Martinetti (SUI) has resigned as the president few days ago, Nenad Lalovic (SRB) is the interim president till the election takes place in September.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/wrestling/21483945