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Lainerb
03-02-2013, 06:22 PM
Haven't seen the last two episodes, but I have to wonder about the overt racism towards Patricia, would this be tolerated against any other minority by the show producers or the audience?

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Aceon6
03-02-2013, 06:30 PM
Haven't seen the last two episodes, but I have to wonder about the overt racism towards Patricia, would this be tolerated against any other minority by the show producers or the audience?

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I'm not seeing what you're seeing. The producers play it up and Patricia is happy to oblige. In name, PR is about being able to design many things, not just things that play to a specific theme. I can see why the other designers are perplexed that her less than successful stuff gets through, while better designs have been auf'd. IME, that's not racism.

Lainerb
03-02-2013, 06:39 PM
That's not what I am talking about. I am talking about people asking if she practices voodoo when she blesses herself with a feather, or when she uses her calls as many Tiwa women do. It's down right disrespectful and off putting.

Ziggy
03-02-2013, 10:59 PM
The 'next week' segment where Kate said 'Michelle and Amanda are bitches' explained well why the producers decided to keep Amanda in.

duane
03-03-2013, 01:35 AM
Amanda's outfit was not only the clear train wreck among the group, but the hair and makeup chosen for the woman were equally bad. She made a very attractive mature woman downright ugly.

shan
03-03-2013, 09:54 PM
I don't know if I can watch another "I'm Amanda, woe is me" episode.

duane
03-08-2013, 04:25 PM
Why have a prom dress challenge when the judges know nothing about what girls today wear to the prom? Nina said girls no longer wear long dresses, which is not true and she had to be corrected by the guest judge. Still, Tu and Kate were penalized for designing a long dress (which was a nice dress, but simply a boring color). And, the students' vote didn't seem to matter. They chose Patricia/Samantha's prom dress as their top choice, and tho the judges had nothing but praise for it, they voted Michelle/Amanda's dress as the winner (and the students didn't seem to like that dress at all).

I actually liked all the dresses! I thought Daniel/RIchard's dress was actually sexy, and the girl's hair and makeup were awesome. She looked the most stunning on the runway. I understood why the students liked Patricia/Sam's unique outfit. Again, I thought the color was boring, but liked Tu/Kate's old-Hollywood-glamour dress. I would have chosen Stanley/Layana as the winner, and the winning dress as the loser. I can see a quirky, rocker chick wearing it, but NO one else.

skatesindreams
03-08-2013, 04:38 PM
They chose Patricia/Samantha's prom dress as their top choice, and tho the judges had nothing but praise for it, they voted Michelle/Amanda's dress as the winner (and the students didn't seem to like that dress at all).


Michelle/Amanda's dress wasn't a "Prom" dress at all.
The "judges" ignored the challenge, IMO.

Some girls view and use Prom as their first opportunity to dress in "evening"/red carpet dresses.
It's why you see a fair number of long gowns there, Nina!

dbell1
03-08-2013, 04:39 PM
Not happy about the judging last night. They're still blinded by Daniel's early success. He's this season's Ven - a 'one way monkey' (tm Dimitry). :P That gold mess was crap. No clue how Layana and Stanley skated by either. I was hoping no one would go home, but it seemed Nina hated Kate & Tu's creation. Pretty stunned here at the double elimination.

I HATE the team concept. If they're going to do teams, then bring in pairs with matching aesthetics so we get decent designs with both points of view recommended. There are very successful designing duos out there and this show could find the next Marchesa (or those hillbilly guys from a few seasons ago). :shuffle:

centerstage01
03-08-2013, 09:12 PM
I agree with Tom and Lorenzo that two non-American women who've never even been to a prom really shouldn't be voting on a prom challenge. I really liked Kate and Tu's dress and would have worn that at my own prom.

duane
03-08-2013, 09:34 PM
I'm curious how the students ranked the other dresses. We were only told their top choice. I suspect Kate and Tu's ranked high.

danceronice
03-08-2013, 09:40 PM
I disliked the losing dress and was fine with it losing, but mostly because it's kind of a blah "formal/wedding" silhouette every designer of formalwear ever has done three hundred times (of course I think mermaids and trumpets should just be banned on principle as being generally unflattering and overused) and they had a every color duct tape comes in to pick from and picked a really blah blue? That was not teal. Also not a fan of the gold one as the combination of the color/shine, length, and questionable fit of the bodice (which wasn't really their fault as it's freakin' duct tape) made it come across as what trashy girls from the "Gypsies" and Jersey shows would wear out. A different color/s and oh, I don't know, producers A LITTLE MORE TIME and it would have been fine.

I don't HATE the "winning" dress, except the "cutouts", and whether it's good for "prom" or not, whatever, what gets put out in the juniors' section for prom seasons is mostly crap anyway so at least it was different, a decent shape, and I think red and black is nice, but it wasn't as nice or as innovative or as REALLY a challenging use of the "fabric" as Patricia and Samantha's dress. The only possible problem I could see with that would be the shape/length in front might not be allowed at some proms but it's not like half the panel knew that. The more I saw it, the more I liked it. The use of the duct tape "ombre" was really neat, not to mention a lot of work--yeah, by comparison the top wasn't exciting, but it kept the dress from being too busy. And as said, the students liked it best, the judges praised it to no end, it fit the model better than the "winner"....so......producer interference? That's my only guess.

PDilemma
03-09-2013, 05:49 PM
And as said, the students liked it best, the judges praised it to no end, it fit the model better than the "winner"....so......producer interference? That's my only guess.

I think it is often less "producer interference" than "editing interference". When Tim did his video blog one season, he often would say that the judges had praised or dissed something much more than what we saw. I think they often show them praising one more than the winner and dissing one more than the loser in order to keep the results a "surprise" for the viewers. I always assume anything getting completely trashed by the judges will not lose and anything getting over the top praised will not win. Remember the judging discussions go on much longer than the tiny bit we get to see.

danceronice
03-09-2013, 08:22 PM
I think it is often less "producer interference" than "editing interference". When Tim did his video blog one season, he often would say that the judges had praised or dissed something much more than what we saw. I think they often show them praising one more than the winner and dissing one more than the loser in order to keep the results a "surprise" for the viewers. I always assume anything getting completely trashed by the judges will not lose and anything getting over the top praised will not win. Remember the judging discussions go on much longer than the tiny bit we get to see.

Except that means...the producers (who make those editing decisions) really want us to hate the judges? That's about all that kind of "surprise" is ultimately going to accomplish. And given the winning team includes one, arguably two, people who are here for producer-interference reasons when they could have been easily eliminated already...yeah, I'm suspicious, that or they fudged which ones were popular with the students.

PDilemma
03-09-2013, 09:31 PM
Yes. They do want you to hate the judges or at least one or two of them. (See also, Idol, American and Cowell, Simon).

Tim's vlogs the one season he did them and some info in his books really indicate that the producers manipulate the challenges much more than the judging. And that is very much how reality television generally operates. Fan cries of "the producers chose" are a reaction to results they don't like but are a bit naive as producer manipulation is primarily focused elsewhere. If they can manipulate everything else, they don't have to manipulate the actual results. That takes care of itself.