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genevieve
02-03-2013, 07:47 PM
I've only seen 4 of the Best Picture nominees....pretty sure Lincoln is going to win, but I don't think it's the best picture at all. Would love to see Amour or Beasts of the SOuthern Wild win, but my vote went to Zero Dark Thirty. I really liked Argo, but that ridiculous airport scene kinda killed it.

Vash01
02-03-2013, 09:57 PM
Then which nominee would you personally kick out of the Best Director category and thus not giving them any deserved recognition as well?

I'm getting tired for the Poor Affleck story because he's anything but "poor." I think what got lost is that this past year was simply a strong year for movies and reasonable minds differ on who should be in and should be out.

If the Best Director winner at the Oscars is going to have an asterisk on it, then will every winner who upsets the favorite (that has won most of the precursors by a wide margin) not be deemed a "proper" winner? What about all the wins Affleck has? If we're going to argue that the Oscars lost credibility for not nominating him, then one can argue that him being snubbed by the Director's Branch (but not by the entire Academy as Argo was nominated for a generous amount of awards) helped him win those awards as they wanted to give him a consolation prize a la Spielberg for The Color Purple and Ron Howard for Apollo 13.

I think I'm just annoyed because I watched all the movies and it's a shame that people are sort of dismissing the nominees who did get in all for the Affleck story (and ignoring Bigelow in the process). I know the Globes, Broadcast Critics, DGA gave Affleck best Director, but does that mean the Academy is truly wrong in maybe placing him 6th or lower and instead nominating the Haneke for Amour or Behn Zeitlin for Beasts of the Southern Wild? Although I hated SLP, enough people like it enough to explain how David O. Russell got in and are they wrong for nominating him just because I personally didn't care for his work in SLP?

Too bad you did not feel Affleck was great as Director for Argo. Any of the nominees other than Spielberg and Lee could have been dropped to get Affleck the nomination. He was better than them. The reason you are seeing such an uproar over his omission in this category is that he is winning just about every other award for Director. We are not seeing such an uproar over Bigelow's omission, possibly because she won a Best Director Oscar very recently. I do believe the Academy was completely wrong in not nominating Affleck for Argo. You cannot make a great movie without a great director. I did not care for SLP and it wouldn't have been totally wrong if he had been dropped (actually I would have liked to see Tarrantino dropped because I hate that kind of direction based on blood).

VIETgrlTerifa
02-03-2013, 10:20 PM
Tarantino wasn't nominated.

The directors who "took Affleck's spot" were Michael Haneke for Amour who won critical praise and many critical awards for his work, Behn Zeitlin for Beasts of the Southern Wild which also won praises including a big win at the Cannes Film Festival and nominated for many more, and David O. Russell for Silver Linings Playbook which was also critically lauded and won the audience award OVER Argo at that the Toronto Film Festival.

Your argument that a movie is nothing without its director is valid and on-point. But when people reward directing, they see many things. Is a director just a manager of all the little nuts and bolts that make a movie and does his/her best to do damage control? Is a director one who has a real point-of-view and does a great job symbolizing what that is? Is he/she an auteur who advances film to a new level in the way he/she builds up the tension, sets up the camera, paces the story, etc.? Does a director have to have an obvious style or does he/she need to lie back and let the story and actors do their job?

Also, all the directors that were nominated in place of Affleck also directed films that were nominated for Best Picture. So, why shouldn't they also have a valid claim to a nomination?

I never said that Ben Affleck was not great as a Director for Argo. I just think it was reasonable for him or anyone else to be left out or nominated because it really was a strong year.

Don't get me wrong, we all have our bias and and it gets the better of us (for me Crash vs. Brokeback) and films make us passionate. However, I do think it's a bit much when people are saying how the Broadcast Film critics (tv critics) and Hollywood Foreign Press Association (like 100 foreign "journalist" who nobody really knows but have a reputation of being star-bangers), and the DGA (a great union but it includes EVERYBODY such as second-assistant directors who aren't the creative force behind a film and Adam Sandler) making fools of the Academy just because they had a difference opinion.

People complain all the time that the Oscars were too predictable and it only follows what the other awards are doing. Now, the Academy shook it up, but people don't like it because it hurt their fave film. I personally thought Bigelow should have been in there in the place of David O. Russell and should be considered a top contender for the award. However, the Academy disagreed with me as do many people.

Lorac
02-10-2013, 06:40 PM
Shame on the academy for not recognizing the excellence of Affleck as Director. I am wondering if they wanted to make sure that Spielberg will get his third Oscar by not nominating Affleck and Bigelow? They were his main competition. I am not saying Spielberg is not deserving of the honor, but this award should have an asterisk (*) against it.

Why does the academy - or in reality the academy members who were entitled to nominate the best director i.e. other directors - need to ensure Spielberg gets a 3rd Oscar? I do think that he is the odds on fav especially with Affleck and Bigelow missing out on the nomination but I don't get that the academy members need to manipulate the process like this - if in fact they have.

Does anyone reckon that Argo will get the sympathy vote for Affleck to get an Oscar for best film as he has missed out on the best director nod? I think more of the general academy members may well throw a best film vote Argos way because of the lack best director nomination.

Vash01
02-10-2013, 06:57 PM
Why does the academy - or in reality the academy members who were entitled to nominate the best director i.e. other directors - need to ensure Spielberg gets a 3rd Oscar? I do think that he is the odds on fav especially with Affleck and Bigelow missing out on the nomination but I don't get that the academy members need to manipulate the process like this - if in fact they have.

Does anyone reckon that Argo will get the sympathy vote for Affleck to get an Oscar for best film as he has missed out on the best director nod? I think more of the general academy members may well throw a best film vote Argos way because of the lack best director nomination.

You can't be serious. The Oscars have been the most political awards for several decades. Many times we have seen a deserving actor/actress or a picture not winning for reasons other than the performances. Then at a later date that actor/actress gets a consolation prize/Oscar for a lesser performance. Manipulations are not uncommon at all. Some may be due to marketing, and some are due to politics within the academy. That is why awards like the Director guild, screen actors guild, etc. are more for the actual work.

VIETgrlTerifa
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
You can't be serious. The Oscars have been the most political awards for several decades. Many times we have seen a deserving actor/actress or a picture not winning for reasons other than the performances. Then at a later date that actor/actress gets a consolation prize/Oscar for a lesser performance. Manipulations are not uncommon at all. Some may be due to marketing, and some are due to politics within the academy. That is why awards like the Director guild, screen actors guild, etc. are more for the actual work.

Those latter awards are just as political (maybe even moreso since they hit closer to home). Ask Harvey Weinstein. He uses those other awards to gain traction because what he really wants is the big Oscar win. Think of those awards as the GP events and Continental championships leading up to Worlds/Olympics.

The thing is you may be convinced that the Director's Branch manipulated it so that Spielberg can win, but you really don't have any proof of that. I just think that what happened was many took for granted that Affleck would get nominated and ranked him lower, while promoting the directors for smaller films higher because they thought someone like Zeitlin and Haneke had a much more difficult time securing a nomination.

Many pundits are saying Argo is going to win Best Picture because it's the consensus pick...the movie that nobody really hates and most do really enjoy, but nobody is truly passionate about while the other films will lose because they have strong passionate supporters, but none of them have united the different factions to secure a win. Thus an Argo win. Basically, it's an ordinal system and Argo may win with the most 2nd and 3rd place votes because the others with more 1st place votes will also suffer from having 6-9 place votes as well.

In the other categories, Argo isn't the favorite to win and we can see for the first time in history a movie winning Best Picture and only Best Picture.

Lorac
02-10-2013, 07:11 PM
You can't be serious. The Oscars have been the most political awards for several decades. Many times we have seen a deserving actor/actress or a picture not winning for reasons other than the performances. Then at a later date that actor/actress gets a consolation prize/Oscar for a lesser performance. Manipulations are not uncommon at all. Some may be due to marketing, and some are due to politics within the academy. That is why awards like the Director guild, screen actors guild, etc. are more for the actual work.

OK I worded my comment wrong - what I meant to say is why would the Academy - according to your observation - seem bent on Spielberg getting a 3rd Oscar? That is what I don't undertand. If he hadn't won one I could undertand the manipulation - but he has 2 already!!

VIETgrlTerifa
02-10-2013, 07:45 PM
BAFTA (British Oscars) are going on right now.

Skyfall just beat Les Miserables for Best British Film.

Maofan7
02-10-2013, 07:45 PM
Those latter awards are just as political (maybe even moreso since they hit closer to home). Ask Harvey Weinstein. He uses those other awards to gain traction because what he really wants is the big Oscar win. Think of those awards as the GP events and Continental championships leading up to Worlds/Olympics.

The thing is you may be convinced that the Director's Branch manipulated it so that Spielberg can win, but you really don't have any proof of that. I just think that what happened was many took for granted that Affleck would get nominated and ranked him lower, while promoting the directors for smaller films higher because they thought someone like Zeitlin and Haneke had a much more difficult time securing a nomination.

Many pundits are saying Argo is going to win Best Picture because it's the consensus pick...the movie that nobody really hates and most do really enjoy, but nobody is truly passionate about while the other films will lose because they have strong passionate supporters, but none of them have united the different factions to secure a win. Thus an Argo win. Basically, it's an ordinal system and Argo may win with the most 2nd and 3rd place votes because the others with more 1st place votes will also suffer from having 6-9 place votes as well.

In the other categories, Argo isn't the favorite to win and we can see for the first time in history a movie winning Best Picture and only Best Picture.

Yes, Argo is now the bookies favourite. Would still like Les MisÚrables to win though

Vash01
02-10-2013, 08:07 PM
OK I worded my comment wrong - what I meant to say is why would the Academy - according to your observation - seem bent on Spielberg getting a 3rd Oscar? That is what I don't undertand. If he hadn't won one I could undertand the manipulation - but he has 2 already!!

I have no idea. I cannot read their minds, just like in other cases (e.g. why they waited for 20+ years to allow Mery Streep win her third Oscar, or why they wanted Sandra Bullock or Julia Roberts to win an Oscar).

jenny12
02-10-2013, 08:48 PM
BAFTA (British Oscars) are going on right now.

Skyfall just beat Les Miserables for Best British Film.

I totally agree with that decision. Skyfall was a very good film and surpassed the usual trappings of the Bond genre. Les Miserables in my opinion was horribly directed and melodramatic.

VIETgrlTerifa
02-10-2013, 09:01 PM
^ I do too. BAFTA loved Skyfall. They gave it a lot of nominations plus it just beat out superior scores (such as Life of Pi) for Best Score. Although, it did lose Best Cinematography (which was GORGEOUS) to Life of Pi (which was even better).

Argo just lost Best Adapted Screenplay to Silver Linings Playbook (in a huge shocker). Many assumed it was between Argo and Lincoln. If Argo doesn't win Best Picture/Director, then this may be the turning point since this is the award show that can direct the Academy on how to vote since the Academy just sent out their ballots to members two days ago. Never underestimate Harvey Weinstein who is also behind Django Unchained which just won Best Original Screenplay and Best Supporting Actor.

Sofia Alexandra
02-10-2013, 09:07 PM
Voted for Beasts of the Southern Wild, as it's the only one of those films I really want to see. :P

VIETgrlTerifa
02-10-2013, 09:15 PM
I spoke too soon. Ben Affleck just won Best Director, haha.

^ Sofia Alexandra, you won't be sorry. Beasts of the Southern Wild is truly a gem of a film. The director also wrote the screenplay and the musical score.

ETA:

Heck yeah! Emmanuelle Riva just won Best Actress at BAFTA. She's my first choice with Jessica Chastain second. I was worried with the Silver Linings Playbook win for Screenplay.

Ziggy
02-10-2013, 10:23 PM
I can't believe that "Les Mis" got even nominated. :rolleyes:

Well I can believe it since Oscars are all about the $$$ but still...