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Maofan7
01-15-2013, 07:57 PM
Which of the following jump "firsts" (performed in competition) was the most significant and impressive in figure skating history (singles skating only)?:-

Brandon Mroz - First Quad Lutz (2011 Colorado Springs Invitational) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMQ8qNTG-jY). Later, landed it in international competition at the 2011 NHK Trophy

Miki Ando - First and only Quad Jump (4S) by a lady (2002–2003 Junior Grand Prix Final) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi1331g-qcI)

Kurt Browning - First Quad Jump (4T - 1988 World Championships) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpCu8wRv14)

Donald Jackson - First Triple Lutz (1962 World Championships) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alrsemq_mzQ)

Vern Taylor - First Triple Axel (1978 World Championships) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UilAARymnSs)

Grzegorz Filipowski - First Triple-Triple Combination (3T+3T) - 1980

Dick Button - First Double Axel (1948 Olympics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbvdlMkJCMo) and First Triple Jump (Loop) - 1952 Olympics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYxOXmFkdYE)

Cecilia Colledge - First Double Jump (2S) by a Lady - 1936 European Championships

Petra Burka - First Triple Jump (3S) by a Lady - 1962 Canadian Nationals

Midori Ito - First Triple Axel by a Lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqxigccU1s) (Aichi Prefecture Regional Competition 1988, then for the first time internationally at the 1988 NHK Trophy) and First Triple-Triple Combination by a Lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7a1tCxqch0) (3T+3T - 1982 World Junior Championships)

Denise Biellmann - First Triple Lutz by a Lady (1978 European Championships) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRlnZ8qk98)

Elvis Stojko - First Quad Jump in Combination (4T+2T - 1991 World Championships) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uXs1SsluNY)

A.H.Black
01-15-2013, 08:06 PM
Dick's triple loop for me. He actually had a press conference about doing it beforehand as he wanted to make sure the judges realized it was a triple and didn't mistake it for a double. I think that jump ushered in modern figure skating.

I once got the opportunity to ask Dick about that loop. I wanted to know why he chose a loop rather than a toe loop or salchow. I'm paraphrazing, but he mentioned Roger Banister breaking the 4-minute-mile and how within several weeks many other runners had also broken that barrier. Dick had it in mind that he didn't want everyone being able to duplicate his feat within weeks.

- I find it interesting that the last triple jump to be done for the first time was the toe-loop.

- I think David Jenkins first triple axel ever (1960 Olympic exhibition) would be second on my list and more impressive (just for being so far ahead of his time) than Vern Taylor's 3-axel (first in competition).

maatTheViking
01-15-2013, 08:14 PM
I'm going with Dick Button as well. Today, the ability to do double axels and triple jumps is what separates national level from international level - at least in most countries where the talent isn't so deep.

bardtoob
01-15-2013, 08:17 PM
I have to go with Cecelia because her jump content matched the men of the time.

ETA: I do have to admit that it is a miracle that Midori kept her 3/3 from 1981 to the end of her career and added a 3A.

aftershocks
01-16-2013, 06:10 AM
Clearly Dick Button's athleticism ushered in modern figure skating. So while Dick's accomplishments were probably the most significant and had perhaps the greatest impact on the sport, I think Midori's first 3-axel for a lady and first 3/3 for a lady are the most impressive accomplishments. I started to vote for Dick, but ended up voting for Midori in this poll.

Aussie Willy
01-16-2013, 06:36 AM
Had to go for Midori. It wasn't so much the actual jump she did but the quality of it, even compared to the men. I still think she is one of the best jumpers ever. Even Christopher Dean predicted at 1988 Olympics that she would be the first woman to do the 3A.

Vagabond
01-16-2013, 06:47 AM
I'm leaning toward voting for Uncle Dick for the reasons stated above, but I'm also thinking of Jackson's triple lutz because it took more than a decade for anyone else to do that jump in competition. It's also worth noting that Jackson's triple lutz was the first triple toe jump of any kind to be landed in competition. The first triple toe loop was still two years away, and the first triple flip wasn't landed until well into the 1970's.

Vash01
01-16-2013, 06:48 AM
There are many deserving candidates on this list, but I picked Midori because ladies were not supposed to do jumps that even many men did not do. Hamilton won his OGM without a 3A. Just 5 years later Midori landed the first 3A by a lady, and only a handful of ladies have been able to that feat since. It immediately raised the bar for ladies, technically. Even though Denise Biellman landed the first 3lutz (not a small feat), she did not revolutionize ladies figure skating, they way Midori did.

floskate
01-16-2013, 07:13 AM
I'm leaning toward voting for Uncle Dick for the reasons stated above, but I'm also thinking of Jackson's triple lutz because it took more than a decade for anyone else to do that jump in competition. It's also worth noting that Jackson's triple lutz was the first triple toe jump of any kind to be landed in competition. The first triple toe loop was still two years away, and the first triple flip wasn't landed until well into the 1970's.

David Jenkins did a triple flip at the 1958 Worlds in Paris. I think the reason that no one talks about this is that no one really knew but skating world magazine corroborates this IIRC.

TheIronLady
01-16-2013, 07:26 AM
If I was being objective, I might say Dick Button set the world of gymnastic jumping on ice in motion.

I'd vote for Mao landing three triple axels in one competition, but it doesn't fit Floskate's emphasis. I voted Ito because it was exciting on many levels, and she, like Elaine Zayak, changed the ladies jumping game.

Kwan had a similar effect with her seven triple programs I think, but I don't think any ladies besides these four have made quite the radical impact.

skateboy
01-16-2013, 07:32 AM
I voted for Stojko, although I am far from a fan.

Almost went for Dick Button, but it seems that, while his triple loop was a huge accomplishment in 1952, not that many skaters followed suit right away. Same with Midori's triple axel: amazing accomplishment, but all these years later, how many ladies are doing it?

With Stojko, he put it out there and then practically all the guys were trying it. Still are. So I chose him as being the most influential.

floskate
01-16-2013, 07:33 AM
If I was being objective, I might say Dick Button set the world of gymnastic jumping on ice in motion.

I'd vote for Mao landing three triple axels in one competition, but it doesn't fit Floskate's emphasis. I voted Ito because it was exciting on many levels, and she, like Elaine Zayak, changed the ladies jumping game.

Kwan had a similar effect with her seven triple programs I think, but I don't think any ladies besides these four have made quite the radical impact.

My emphasis? :confused: Anyway Ito, - along with the first 3-3 and 3A was also the first woman to do a 7 triple LP at the 1988 Olympics. She'd been doing 6 triple LP's since 1982. :)

sadya
01-16-2013, 07:34 AM
I think they were all amazing. Of course Button was the one who changed figure skating the most imho. Yet even after that people became used to seeing those moves and then the next new first became very exciting, only for most people becoming used to seeing that on the ice as well. So then the next new first often becomes the most exciting.

I really began watching figure skating around 1994, knowing nothing about it's history and not knowing much about figure skating itself even. I still remember the excitement of our Eurosport commentator and the audience during Worlds '94 when Stoyko completed a quad in combination. It seemed like nothing else that amazing had ever been done before on the ice. Then one day I found books and a documentary about skating, only to realise there had been other amazing accomplishments decades before that which in those days were equally as exciting as a quad combination in the '90s.

briancoogaert
01-16-2013, 01:51 PM
WOW, I don't know !
I'd say Dick Button's 3Loop because it was the first triple, and 60 years later, triple jumps are still the most seen jumps.
But Midori Ito is extraordinary, because she did so many great 3Axel, and 23 years later, it seems no other women can do such an impressive 3Axel !

DarrellH
01-16-2013, 02:30 PM
Dick Button. He showed that a triple could be done.